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come on i mean who wouldnt want cons fighting jedi or autobots fighting sith

Personally, TFs will win. Unless the Empire actually builds another Death Star and tries blasting some of them.

Nah but if u think about it, if they started fighting some time, before clone wars, while the jedi's were basically at full power and they had clone troopers on there side, it would make a pretty interesting Battle.

And i hate to say it maybe starwars would win because, all the Jedi's are so small in comparison to tf's and lightsabers can cut through any thing, so all they have to do is do a yoda on there tf asses.

Electron wrote:Nah but if u think about it, if they started fighting some time, before clone wars, while the jedi's were basically at full power and they had clone troopers on there side, it would make a pretty interesting Battle.

And i hate to say it maybe starwars would win because, all the Jedi's are so small in comparison to tf's and lightsabers can cut through any thing, so all they have to do is do a yoda on there tf asses.

And what if all the 'Cons and 'Bots from G1 team up? 100+ TFs oughta be able to mow down loads of starfleets. For instance, the Nemesis could possibly take out 5 Star Destroyers. And Unicron could take out the Death Star and more. And the Seekers, being superior to the TIEs and X-Wings, V-Wings, A-Wings could engage multiple enemy starfighters at a single time.

I say everyone morphs into a Star Wars Transformer, they make an alliance and go for a drink at the Energon Pub.

Omega Charge wrote:I say everyone morphs into a Star Wars Transformer, they make an alliance and go for a drink at the Energon Pub.

Ah, peace.

nice ideas there, i would be thinking that a small group of autobots who are hunting down a decepticon with blue prints to the ultimate weapon (death star tf) but find themselves in the midst of a galactic civil war so in order to avoid getting gunned down by the empire the have to scan some nw vehicle but also befreind some rebles in the prosess.

Transformers. The jedis are the only real threat but there aren't enough and they aren't strong enough to take on multiple opponents. Two tf's would overwhelm any jedi and you have to figure that yoda and mace would probably be fighting the powerhouses like Optimus, Shockwave or Megatron and would almost certainly loose to them.

If most of the jedi could be beaten by simple clone troopers, the stars wars universe is in deep sh*t.

Thanatos Prime wrote:Transformers. The jedis are the only real threat but there aren't enough and they aren't strong enough to take on multiple opponents. Two tf's would overwhelm any jedi and you have to figure that yoda and mace would probably be fighting the powerhouses like Optimus, Shockwave or Megatron and would almost certainly loose to them.

If most of the jedi could be beaten by simple clone troopers, the stars wars universe is in deep sh*t.

Seconded

Star Wars, easily. Cybertron is reduced to a burnt up cinder by mass orbital bombardment. Transformers are far outgunned and outmanned.

Devastron wrote:Star Wars, easily. Cybertron is reduced to a burnt up cinder by mass orbital bombardment. Transformers are far outgunned and outmanned.

You overconfidence is your weakness

exactley i mean do you remember in the tf movie that a single decepticon (blackout) decimated an entire army base witnin minutes.
so decepticons could easily take care of the jedi and the republic or rebelion

side wave wrote:exactley i mean do you remember in the tf movie that a single decepticon (blackout) decimated an entire army base witnin minutes.
so decepticons could easily take care of the jedi and the republic or rebelion

You mean the same Blackout who was taken down later by a couple of missiles and a grenade launcher? You are too focused on Jedi. Think of the massive fleet the Empire could bring to bear against the Transformers. The Transformers inhabit a couple of planets, the Empire/Republic dominates a good portion of a galaxy.

It really depends on which era we're talking about.

Pre-Clone Wars era has guys like Revan, Darth Nihilus, Darth Malak, massive armies for both the Republic and Sith forces, a huge number of Jedi, and (Since the One-Master-One-Apprentice rule hadn't begun implementation yet) an equally huge number of Sith. Star Wars takes this one.

Clone Wars Era (Episodes I, II, and III) has some of the most powerful Jedi ever, and some pretty tough Sith as well. The CIS (Confederation of Independent Systems, also called the Separatists) are largely composed of droids, with only a handful of biological soldiers. (Mostly officers and financiers) The Republic, however, are comprised of dispensable and easily replaced Clone Troopers, however the Jedi in this era were among the strongest ever, including the nigh-unbeatable Anakin Skywalker, and his equally powerful teacher Obi-Wan Kenobi. This one, though, is probably fought to a draw.

Post-Clone Wars, Pre-Yavin era is a tough one. Jedi are sparse, and the new Empire is just making it's name. The Storm Troopers are somewhat less efficient than their cloned predecessors, but their numbers and persistence give them a slight advantage. There are only three active Sith in this era, Darth Sidious (More commonly known as Emperor Palpatine), Darth Vader, and Darth Vader's Apprentice. The apprentice was shown to be able to easily bring down Star Destroyers from the ground, possibly making him the most adept Force User in SW history. However, since the Empire is still weak, the Death Star hasn't been completed, and the Rebels haven't really been established. Transformers take this one.

Yavin Era (Episodes IV, V, and VI) has fully established armies for both the Empire and Rebellion. Both sides have been shown to be highly formidable. The Empire has the Death Star, which can really mess up their enemies, however, it's glaring weak spot, along with it's slow movement (Is it even capable of Hyperspace?) and long re-fire rate makes it somewhat useless in the long run. The rebels only have their ingenuity, since battle-worthy Jedi are few and far in between. I say Transformers takes this one as well.

Post Yavin Era has the New Republic struggling to survive, the Empire still in control of about a quarter of the Galaxy, and neither side really liking each other, even when the have to team up against the Yuuzhan Vong. Armies on both sides are not exceptionally big, and the New Jedi Order is still trying to develop itself. I say this one also goes to Transformers, albeit with massive casualties for the TFs.

Devastron wrote:

side wave wrote:exactley i mean do you remember in the tf movie that a single decepticon (blackout) decimated an entire army base witnin minutes.
so decepticons could easily take care of the jedi and the republic or rebelion

You mean the same Blackout who was taken down later by a couple of missiles and a grenade launcher? You are too focused on Jedi. Think of the massive fleet the Empire could bring to bear against the Transformers. The Transformers inhabit a couple of planets, the Empire/Republic dominates a good portion of a galaxy.

Huh? The Leige Maximo has a base the size of a small galaxy filled with transformers not to mention the other planets and alliances that don't have much to do with Autobots and Decepticons.

Transformers also have ships and mega weapons that are probably as good or better than the Empire's.

I refuse to include Primus, Unicron and the original 13. That would be a pointless battle...

Thanatos Prime wrote:

Devastron wrote:

side wave wrote:exactley i mean do you remember in the tf movie that a single decepticon (blackout) decimated an entire army base witnin minutes.
so decepticons could easily take care of the jedi and the republic or rebelion

You mean the same Blackout who was taken down later by a couple of missiles and a grenade launcher? You are too focused on Jedi. Think of the massive fleet the Empire could bring to bear against the Transformers. The Transformers inhabit a couple of planets, the Empire/Republic dominates a good portion of a galaxy.

Huh? The Leige Maximo has a base the size of a small galaxy filled with transformers not to mention the other planets and alliances that don't have much to do with Autobots and Decepticons.

Transformers also have ships and mega weapons that are probably as good or better than the Empire's.

I refuse to include Primus, Unicron and the original 13. That would be a pointless battle...

Pick one continuity and stick to it. Liege Maximo's group would probably still be out numbered and I don't see any evidence of their weapons being on par with the Empire's.I'm not dragging all of the Empire's superweapons into this or the super-powerful Jedi and Sith of the past so it would probably be fair not to do so for the Transformers.

galactic civil war that is the era

OptimusN1701 wrote:

Devastron wrote:Star Wars, easily. Cybertron is reduced to a burnt up cinder by mass orbital bombardment. Transformers are far outgunned and outmanned.

You overconfidence is your weakness

Your faith in your friends is yours.

Devastron wrote:Star Wars, easily. Cybertron is reduced to a burnt up cinder by mass orbital bombardment. Transformers are far outgunned and outmanned.

There is my answer.

is there no more love for this topic

Shadowman wrote:It really depends on which era we're talking about.

Pre-Clone Wars era has guys like Revan, Darth Nihilus, Darth Malak, massive armies for both the Republic and Sith forces, a huge number of Jedi, and (Since the One-Master-One-Apprentice rule hadn't begun implementation yet) an equally huge number of Sith. Star Wars takes this one.

Clone Wars Era (Episodes I, II, and III) has some of the most powerful Jedi ever, and some pretty tough Sith as well. The CIS (Confederation of Independent Systems, also called the Separatists) are largely composed of droids, with only a handful of biological soldiers. (Mostly officers and financiers) The Republic, however, are comprised of dispensable and easily replaced Clone Troopers, however the Jedi in this era were among the strongest ever, including the nigh-unbeatable Anakin Skywalker, and his equally powerful teacher Obi-Wan Kenobi. This one, though, is probably fought to a draw.

Post-Clone Wars, Pre-Yavin era is a tough one. Jedi are sparse, and the new Empire is just making it's name. The Storm Troopers are somewhat less efficient than their cloned predecessors, but their numbers and persistence give them a slight advantage. There are only three active Sith in this era, Darth Sidious (More commonly known as Emperor Palpatine), Darth Vader, and Darth Vader's Apprentice. The apprentice was shown to be able to easily bring down Star Destroyers from the ground, possibly making him the most adept Force User in SW history. However, since the Empire is still weak, the Death Star hasn't been completed, and the Rebels haven't really been established. Transformers take this one.

Yavin Era (Episodes IV, V, and VI) has fully established armies for both the Empire and Rebellion. Both sides have been shown to be highly formidable. The Empire has the Death Star, which can really mess up their enemies, however, it's glaring weak spot, along with it's slow movement (Is it even capable of Hyperspace?) and long re-fire rate makes it somewhat useless in the long run. The rebels only have their ingenuity, since battle-worthy Jedi are few and far in between. I say Transformers takes this one as well.

Post Yavin Era has the New Republic struggling to survive, the Empire still in control of about a quarter of the Galaxy, and neither side really liking each other, even when the have to team up against the Yuuzhan Vong. Armies on both sides are not exceptionally big, and the New Jedi Order is still trying to develop itself. I say this one also goes to Transformers, albeit with massive casualties for the TFs.

I love you analysis. I enjoyed reading it

On the topic, I think Transformers will win.

Bludgeon alone can handle hoards of Jedi; Galvatron himself can take out entire fleets.

But to take it further... In SW we have people who are imperfect behind the machines of war, Transformers themselves are the machines of war. In fighting, they have less physical or mental limitations.

They can almost be taken to be like the unmanned Ghost Fighter in Macross Plus (eps 4)... even a Zentradi has to push past his physical limits and get crushed by g-force before being able to marginally come up on top.

well i guess transformers as they can just scan the vehicles of the starwars galaxy and use them against the empire or rebellion

side wave wrote:well i guess transformers as they can just scan the vehicles of the starwars galaxy and use them against the empire or rebellion

This here's about the best point.

Otherwise, this debates been done SOOOOO many times (the original and longest running was, what, 19 pages or something like that?)

However, since it's been a while, here's a little background info on what the TF's are up against:
http://www.stardestroyer.net

If anything, it's not the curbstomp some of you may be imagining.

oh realy

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