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News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:36 pm

First, let's keep the whole love/hate for the movie outta this. This isn't about your opinion of the movie, I don't care.

Now thats done ok:

Frenzy's alt. form is a boom box. Now I have one a similar size to the one he TFs into. How does he go from that to a 4ft. tall bot? And how is the flight attendant able to carry said boom box, if it's actually a robot? Wouldn't it be considerably heavier? Especially if there is no mass shifting, how is this possible. It's been a thought in my head since I've seen the movie.

Am I reading too much into this, or is this one of those suspension of disbelief moments?

by **KingEmperor** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:49 pm

No idea. I just like to think that he weighs as much as the boombox.

by **primalVICTORY** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:58 pm

we probly arent supposed to think about this stuff..

..but how about..where do the seats go? :-?

by **DesalationReborn** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:04 pm

Just think how thing his pieces and moving panels are-- he isn't that big mass wise, just in projected volume.

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:11 pm

I do not think that there's any actual conceivable way for this robot to turn into that boombox. He's mostly made out of rods. There's no real way to form a stereo device with a coherent surface from those. Especially not at this size.

by **Delta82** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:01 pm

What i was wondering is how noome noticed him walk by them on his way to Barricade

by **matthewvilleme** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:47 pm

i didnt get how the flight attendant didnt notice big blue eyes and shiny metal when she picked up the ding dong that rolled to his feet, and i also agree how they didnt see him jump in when the passenger's seat of the police car opened. how cood the police officer opent he passenger door w/ his seatbelt on?????

by **Predaprince** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:58 pm

matthewvilleme wrote:how cood the police officer opent he passenger door w/ his seatbelt on?????

That wasn't a regular police car.

I'll give you two seconds to realize.

by **matthewvilleme** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:09 pm

rilllllllllllly???? dang this whole time i didnt realize that the same cop/jet pilot/helicopter pilot were the same person. duh i new that!!!!!!!!! i sed the ppl were idiots that had their backs turned ryt when he's tip toeing to the door.

by **Predaprince** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:20 pm

matthewvilleme wrote:rilllllllllllly???? dang this whole time i didnt realize that the same cop/jet pilot/helicopter pilot were the same person. duh i new that!!!!!!!!! i sed the ppl were idiots that had their backs turned ryt when he's tip toeing to the door.

Hard to tell if you are serious or sarcastic.

I agree that the real people were idiots to not see Frenzy, but that was part of the joke that they were trying with Frenzy holding his hand to his face like a human would do when trying to sneak by.

But you also asked how the cop car door opened and it is because it isn't a cop car, which is the part of your post that I was addressing.

by **matthewvilleme** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:28 pm

it was a cop car just not ur average human cop car

by **Predaprince** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:37 pm

matthewvilleme wrote:it was a cop car just not ur average human cop car

Which is what I was answering to your last question in your first post, because it appeared as you were asking us that. If you meant that you were stating why didn't the people in the film not ask that, then, no offense, but it is kind of hard to tell with all of the jumbled-up text in your first post.

but, whatever.

by **DepthCharge08** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:17 pm

you said he transformed into a 4ft robot?? after the plane scene when he gets into baricade he is way shorter than the door, he looked more like between 2-3 feet.

by **primalVICTORY** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:18 pm

and when you see him go after sam..he only is about the size of his legs.

by **Rushie** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:47 am

matthewvilleme wrote:it was a cop car just not ur average human cop car

It is not a car. It's a creature with the ability to fold its bodyparts into a configuration which resembles a human car =P

by **Tybre** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:00 am

D-340 wrote:Frenzy's alt. form is a boom box. Now I have one a similar size to the one he TFs into. How does he go from that to a 4ft. tall bot?

Let's deal with this bit first. So a 4 ft robot becoming boombox is improbable? Sure. But then, why don't you have a problem with my vehicle of choice (Peterbilt 379) transforming into a 30 ft tall robot? No offense intended but it just seems dumb to me to think a boombox shouldn't become a 4 ft robot but a 13ft truck cab can become a 30 ft robot.

As for the mass thing, I don't know. I don't bother to question films I enjoyed. It just ruins the enjoyment.

News Credits: 1 · by **lodelco** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:36 am

Bay just wanted the mass shifting to be on a near real scale. Besides, the goal of this movie was to make it real enough to think that your car might transform or even if you're desperate enough to buy a vehicle that resembles one of them, Ironhide specifically. Not to mention sell alot of related media...

by **Starscreams bad comedy** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:20 am

What I want to know is:

How his head was able to turn into a small cell phone.

Where do the bullets come from? Wouldnt the bots be loosing mass everytime they use them?

Why they didnt play the pizicatto string plucking when he was tip toeing off the tarmack.

by **primalVICTORY** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:27 am

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:What I want to know is:

How his head was able to turn into a small cell phone.

yee, i noticed that too. his head seemed pretty big to go into that small cell phone.

News Credits: 4 · by **tom brokaw** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:49 pm

geez, if your guys wanna get all technical with transformers, where did optimus's trailer go whenever he transformed in the G1 episodes....it would just magically disappear then reappear.
its all movie magic....everything is created to suit the story, to enhance it, not to degrade it.

by **primalVICTORY** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:51 pm

tom brokaw wrote:geez, if your guys wanna get all technical with transformers, where did optimus's trailer go whenever he transformed in the G1 episodes....it would just magically disappear then reappear.
its all movie magic....everything is created to suit the story, to enhance it, not to degrade it.

thaats kinda different. its a cartoon and we all know that things were made to make complete sense in it.

by **Grendel** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:48 pm

basically, as me and my brother said when bublebee shrank the all spark,

'No mass shifting my ass"

News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:03 pm

The Allspark I get. We've mystical objects powering Cybertron since G1. It's ability to shrink no where near bugs me.

As far as Frenzy, it was thought I had at work looking at my boom box. I see Peterbuilts everyday, that I can see being a TF. Same with the Solstice, Mustangs, and such. The boom box just isn't as believable as a robot, especially with no visible parts of the radio in bot mode.

Ah, but then again, what else was there for Frenzy to be. As a spy and infiltrator, it worked.

by **Predaprince** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:07 pm

tom brokaw wrote:geez, if your guys wanna get all technical with transformers, where did optimus's trailer go whenever he transformed in the G1 episodes....it would just magically disappear then reappear.
its all movie magic....everything is created to suit the story, to enhance it, not to degrade it.

It is called a subspace portal.

Don't make me get the book of Cybertronian Quantum Mechanics out on you!

by **Rushie** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:58 pm

D-340 wrote:The boom box just isn't as believable as a robot, especially with no visible parts of the radio in bot mode.

Frenzy was never shown to be a working boombox. Sure, Bumblebee actually had an engine and all vehicle TFs had interiors (sake for Megatron ofcourse) but Frenzy could just form a shell resembling a boombox, not actually a working one. It's a stretch, I know.
But his parts have to go somewhere, they'd probably fold up inside the boombox.