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[Jelze Bunnycat]

As an aside, I feel it should also be mentioned that, unlike the Headmasters of 1987-1988, instead of being smaller Bots who form the heads of regular-sized TF bodies, Plasma is a regular-sized Bot who forms the head of the much larger Brave, who forms the head of the extra larger than large Brave Maximus. So Brave Maximus is even larger than the gargantuan Fortress Maximus.

When Primus goes big, he really goes big.

Which raises the question: how much smaller is lil' brother Grand Maximus in-fiction? His Battleship seems to have human-sized doors, or Pretender-sized if you will.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Finally got stovokor's response

was there something wrong with it?

pain and the meds for it were making me a bit loopy.

8000 B.C. onward. stovokor mentioned that by that time Master's science was waaaay advance while Decepticon technology on Cybertron

when did I say that?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

[ quote="sto_vo_kor_2000"]The Pretenders didn't time travel to Earth. They came to Earth from Cybertron 8000 in the past when Earth was in the Neolithic Era, which would have been after Headmaster technology was invented on Master, enabling Grand to have gotten a Transtector body and ship like his brother's and leave Master to also become a Pretender and join up with Metalhawk's team.

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thats not my post, that was Saberblades post.

Btw to people out there...........I really find this enjoyable that stov and Sabr gets to contribute with an productive exchange of ideas on TF lore. Keep it coming guys.

kool vud

[fenrir72]

Finally got stovokor's response

was there something wrong with it?

pain and the meds for it were making me a bit loopy.

8000 B.C. onward. stovokor mentioned that by that time Master's science was waaaay advance while Decepticon technology on Cybertron

when did I say that?

Nope. Nothing wrong with your response.



I misquoted the source. That was Sabrblade's ( Two sources at the same time.....info dump overload) Got them mixed up.

I paraphrase that based on an inference on existing TF technology. If I interpreted it correct that is.

1. Primus creates Brave Max

2. Technology......divine origin, maybe super state of the art?

3. Unused from the early 2000 until Kiss Players (2005-2010?)

4. Sent back in time (not sure if it was millions or hundred thousands of years ago when the cybertrons reached Master and Brave Max crashes there.

5. 8000 BC or so when Metalhawk pursued the Destrons to earth already using Master super science(?) like Pretender tech.

6. But 8000 BC or so, Shockwave and Cybertron, already an all but empty shell seem to show little or no new tech (except for the Space bridge)

[Sabrblade]

It was never said in any source how advanced Planet Master's technology was compared to Planet Cybertron's. If anything, Planet Master still looked more primitively-developed a planet compared to Cybertron even as late as 2011.

After all, not everyone on Master had become a Headmaster. Only Fortress, Chromedome, Brainstorm, Hardhead, Highbrow, Scorponok, Weirdwolf, Skull, Wipe, Apeface, Snapdragon, and Grand had gained the ability. The rest of the planet's Cybertronian populace consisted of Cyberdroids.

Not just anyone can become a Headmaster in Japanese continuity, as it is no easy feat.

[fenrir72]

Yeah. In the anime, was that Chromedome's friend who was a bit jealous he didn't make the cut? As a Headmaster I mean.

Also, would it also be correct to infer that the Brainmaster tech also originated from Master?

[fenrir72]

ISP is getting a brain fart...arrgh!

[Sabrblade]

Yeah. In the anime, was that Chromedome's friend who was a bit jealous he didn't make the cut? As a Headmaster I mean.

Yeah, Jack was a little jealous, but the two reconciled before the tragedy between then ensued.

Also, would it also be correct to infer that the Brainmaster tech also originated from Master?

Possibly, but it's never given either way.

Though, unlike the Headmasters, the Brainmasters' smallest units, the Brains or Brain Robos, haven't been shown to be alive on their own, serving more as being like components of their larger main bodies that happen to be removable.

[fenrir72]

Related to that, were the original Headmasters Cyberdroids too like those guys involved before Mt.St. Hillary exploded? ( 6-turbo, 6-train etc)Cyberdroids are they technically not "Micromasters" until they can "transform"?

[Sabrblade]

Related to that, were the original Headmasters Cyberdroids too like those guys involved before Mt.St. Hillary exploded? ( 6-turbo, 6-train etc)Cyberdroids are they technically not "Micromasters" until they can "transform"?

It seems safe to say that the Cybertronians who immigrated to Master were Cyberdroids, yes.

But they weren't Micromasters. Cyberdroids lacked the ability to transform. Micromaster, erm, I mean Micro Transformers, or, wait. There's a bit of confusion here.

See, in the Japanese continuity, what we knew as Micromasters in the West were at first known as "Micro Transformers" in Japan (yes, I'm aware of that name also briefly being used in the West at first before the "Micromasters" was finalized, but bear with me). Unlike in Western media, in which Micromasters were just small-sized TFs, the Micro Transformers of Japan were habitants of the planet Micro and were primarily all childlike in personality with cheery, happy-go-lucky attitudes and mindsets. Very few of them (most of which were non-toy characters) were depicted as being adult-like.

In 2003, Takara rereleased the Operation Combination toys (plus Sixliner and Landcross) under the the "Transformers: Micromaster" line, in which they were given new fiction that identified them as "Micromasters" in Japanese continuity, but with a different backstory from the "Micro Transformers" of 1989/1990. Here, these ones were depicted as having been Cyberdroids who were mutated into Micromasters and seemingly had ordinary personalities like the Western media depiction of Micromasters.

Eventually, the terms "Micro Transformer" and "Micromaster" in Japan came to be synonymous with each other over the years, and so now we have two different types of Micromasters in Japanese continuity. Childlike ones who are residents of Planet Micro, and presumably-non-childlike ones from Cybertron who used to be Cyberdroids.

[fenrir72]

Related to that, were the original Headmasters Cyberdroids too like those guys involved before Mt.St. Hillary exploded? ( 6-turbo, 6-train etc)Cyberdroids are they technically not "Micromasters" until they can "transform"?

It seems safe to say that the Cybertronians who immigrated to Master were Cyberdroids, yes.

But they weren't Micromasters. Cyberdroids lacked the ability to transform. Micromaster, erm, I mean Micro Transformers, or, wait. There's a bit of confusion here.

See, in the Japanese continuity, what we knew as Micromasters in the West were at first known as "Micro Transformers" in Japan (yes, I'm aware of that name also briefly being used in the West at first before the "Micromasters" was finalized, but bear with me). Unlike in Western media, in which Micromasters were just small-sized TFs, the Micro Transformers of Japan were habitants of the planet Micro and were primarily all childlike in personality with cheery, happy-go-lucky attitudes and mindsets. Very few of them (most of which were non-toy characters) were depicted as being adult-like.

In 2003, Takara rereleased the Operation Combination toys (plus Sixliner and Landcross) under the the "Transformers: Micromaster" line, in which they were given new fiction that identified them as "Micromasters" in Japanese continuity, but with a different backstory from the "Micro Transformers" of 1989/1990. Here, these ones were depicted as having been Cyberdroids who were mutated into Micromasters and seemingly had ordinary personalities like the Western media depiction of Micromasters.

Eventually, the terms "Micro Transformer" and "Micromaster" in Japan came to be synonymous with each other over the years, and so now we have two different types of Micromasters in Japanese continuity. Childlike ones who are residents of Planet Micro, and presumably-non-childlike ones from Cybertron who used to be Cyberdroids.

Hey hey hey...........I didn't know that Micromasters and "Micromasters" were actually different initially. I'd forgotten about those guys in Victory. They did have a boisterous childlike personality. Thanks again Sb.

[fenrir72]

In the MTV of the Touch, in 0:10 and 3:49. Whose face was that? Unicron or Rodimus?

[Sabrblade]

In the MTV of the Touch, in 0:10 and 3:49. Whose face was that? Unicron or Rodimus?

MTV?

[Ginrai Minor]

Hey Sabr what's your favorite portion of the japanese trilogy?

[fenrir72]

In the MTV of the Touch, in 0:10 and 3:49. Whose face was that? Unicron or Rodimus?

MTV?

The original Music Video on MTV of Stan Bush circa 1986.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

In the MTV of the Touch, in 0:10 and 3:49. Whose face was that? Unicron or Rodimus?

MTV?

The original Music Video on MTV of Stan Bush circa 1986.

THE MUSIC VIDEO WAS NOT A MTV EXCLUSIVE, THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT

AS TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, BEEN TOO LONG SINCE I SEEN IT TO ANSWER

[Sabrblade]

Hey Sabr what's your favorite portion of the japanese trilogy?

It's not perfect, but I like it. Masterforce is tied with Rescue Bots as my third favorite TF cartoon.

In the MTV of the Touch, in 0:10 and 3:49. Whose face was that? Unicron or Rodimus?

Got a link to the particular video (since multiple uploaders tend to have different run times)?

[fenrir72]

This sample was from MTV guys so I designated it MTV. Seems fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

[Sabrblade]

This sample was from MTV guys so I designated it MTV. Seems fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

In that video, 0:10 shows Stan Bush's face superimposed over the two red and blue suns that Unicron passes by at the beginning of the movie.

3:49 shows Stan placed over some 1980s-style energy background thing.

[fenrir72]

This sample was from MTV guys so I designated it MTV. Seems fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

In that video, 0:10 shows Stan Bush's face superimposed over the two red and blue suns that Unicron passes by at the beginning of the movie.

3:49 shows Stan placed over some 1980s-style energy background thing.

There is a white outlined face of sort drawn over the scene. You know, like the effect cartoons use to simulate invisibility like Space Ghost. It looks like two human eyes and a nose. You mean to say that's like Stan Bush's face in an outline? Which then transitions to his human video face?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

This sample was from MTV guys so I designated it MTV. Seems fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

In that video, 0:10 shows Stan Bush's face superimposed over the two red and blue suns that Unicron passes by at the beginning of the movie.

3:49 shows Stan placed over some 1980s-style energy background thing.

There is a white outlined face of sort drawn over the scene. You know, like the effect cartoons use to simulate invisibility like Space Ghost. It looks like two human eyes and a nose. You mean to say that's like Stan Bush's face in an outline? Which then transitions to his human video face?

theres no face at 0:10

at 3;49, the 80s energy thing SB mentioned seems to be forming some kind of an image that looks like a unfolding bird, in the end it does look like a face because of the eyes

whos face is beyond me.

[fenrir72]

This sample was from MTV guys so I designated it MTV. Seems fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

In that video, 0:10 shows Stan Bush's face superimposed over the two red and blue suns that Unicron passes by at the beginning of the movie.

3:49 shows Stan placed over some 1980s-style energy background thing.

There is a white outlined face of sort drawn over the scene. You know, like the effect cartoons use to simulate invisibility like Space Ghost. It looks like two human eyes and a nose. You mean to say that's like Stan Bush's face in an outline? Which then transitions to his human video face?

theres no face at 0:10

at 3;49, the 80s energy thing SB mentioned seems to be forming some kind of an image that looks like a unfolding bird, in the end it does look like a face because of the eyes

whos face is beyond me.

You saw it too didn't you sto? In the 0:10, there's what appears to be eyes. And the last, its a face. It kind of reminded me of Primus in the Furman story arc but then again, the Music Video far predated it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You saw it too didn't you sto? In the 0:10, there's what appears to be eyes. And the last, its a face. It kind of reminded me of Primus in the Furman story arc but then again, the Music Video far predated it.

at 3;49 yes, the iage sorta looks like a face do to the placement of brighter lites that look like eyes.

but theres nothing at 0;10 other then Stans fading face ito the red looking son

[Sabrblade]

Compare the 0:10 mark of that video to the 0:10 mark of this one to see what Stan's face was place over:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Compare the 0:10 mark of that video to the 0:10 mark of this one to see what Stan's face was place over:

did you put that together?