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Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

eh..not necessarily. I'm a "girlie" and I certainly have no burning desire for Arcee to be in the next film. I'm kinda worried that she would make the movie have to make explanations for things and waste precious screen time another bot could have, as others have said. However, I do like her design

I think it would be interesting to have Arcee transform into a smaller, human-size bot. Not the movie concept 9-feet tall bot.

Maybe she can occasionally disguise as a human. By means of wrap around clothing. Such as winter clothings.

Or she can function as an infiltrator small enough to fit into human-size tunnels or pathways. Small enough to sit on a chair and search for info on a laboratory computer. Something like what Frenzy can do.

Take the example of G1 Wreckgar. He is actually same size as human if you would consider a realistic scale of the motorbike. Wreckgar-1 can sit on and drive a transformed Wreckgar-2.

Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

No, actually, you don't. In truth Acree would be in there for the fanboys to lust after, just like all the Mikaela fanservice, not for the "girlies".

I for one know I was quite satisfied with that giant red and blue guy.

And why the hell does she have to be pink? Because she's a girl? I'm a girl and I hate pink.

And don't give me any crap about her being pink in the cartoon so she has to be pink in the movie. Ratchet wasn't fluorescent and Ironhide wasn't black in the cartoon, so it's not like they have to be true to colour.

Renne wrote:

Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

No, actually, you don't. In truth Acree would be in there for the fanboys to lust after, just like all the Mikaela fanservice, not for the "girlies".

I for one know I was quite satisfied with that giant red and blue guy.

And why the hell does she have to be pink? Because she's a girl? I'm a girl and I hate pink.

And don't give me any crap about her being pink in the cartoon so she has to be pink in the movie. Ratchet wasn't fluorescent and Ironhide wasn't black in the cartoon, so it's not like they have to be true to colour.

That being "true to color" thing is just for nostalgia. For G1 fans.
Another purpose of original color is to make certain well-known characters to be easily identifyable. Such as Bumblebee and Prime.
Notice how difficult it is to tell Blackout and Brawl apart, once the action goes lightning fast. But you can easily spot Bumblebee wherever he is.

PaperBird wrote:

Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

eh..not necessarily. I'm a "girlie" and I certainly have no burning desire for Arcee to be in the next film. I'm kinda worried that she would make the movie have to make explanations for things and waste precious screen time another bot could have, as others have said. However, I do like her design

Whether they put in Arcee or not, i prefer that the next movie won't waste even 1 second trying to explain why Arcee is a she.

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Renne wrote:

Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

No, actually, you don't. In truth Acree would be in there for the fanboys to lust after, just like all the Mikaela fanservice, not for the "girlies".

I for one know I was quite satisfied with that giant red and blue guy.

And why the hell does she have to be pink? Because she's a girl? I'm a girl and I hate pink.

And don't give me any crap about her being pink in the cartoon so she has to be pink in the movie. Ratchet wasn't fluorescent and Ironhide wasn't black in the cartoon, so it's not like they have to be true to colour.

That being "true to color" thing is just for nostalgia. For G1 fans.
Another purpose of original color is to make certain well-known characters to be easily identifyable. Such as Bumblebee and Prime.
Notice how difficult it is to tell Blackout and Brawl apart, once the action goes lightning fast. But you can easily spot Bumblebee wherever he is.

I'd argue against Arcee being more "well known" than say Ironhide or Ratchet.

Whoa, this is making my head spin. Does it matter? If she's in there, cool, one more transformer. If not, cool. They can put someone else in there. As long as I get to see them transform, I'm not complaining about name, gender, race, hair color, or preference of coffee.

I want to see more transformers too.
So that they can have more toys to make, and i can collect more.
I like collecting TF toys that came out of the movie or tv show.
So i skipped Swindle, Dreadwing, Hardtop, Signal Flare, etc... except Arcee. Hehe. Arcee's design is too cool to be left in the shops.

My bad. Correction.

Another purpose of original color is to make original characters to be easily identifyable in their new design format.

T Honk wrote:

Tazirai wrote:
PS Your avitar has childbearing hips and breast shaped chest plate. Not to mention it is pink. If you told me it was an exo-suit for a human I would assume it was for a woman.

I think I get it. With some people Regardless of the fact that female robots DO exist in our world. It's just not cool in a Transformers Universe. All the robots have to be big bulky dudes. Even though they are not dudes either??

Explain why then are transformers male, and in the universe of the movie, does prime have a "Brother". And if prime can have a Brother why not a sister? Even if Prime meant it in the way of Brother in Arms, Why not use another analogy? (I know the script meant for it to be said that way, but on forums we analyze these things).

I personally dont think that female Transformers are hard to explain. But I guess some people do.

as for my avatar, Her "child bearing hips" are the Pontoon sides for her hover mode ^^. Her "breasts" are a sensor array.
The pink color.. In Homage to The X-men's Psylocke of the late 80's. Arcee could be white, she doesn't have to be pink.
I'd prefer her to be a white/blue/gray bot. She'd stand out more.

gender and robots just don't seem to go together well in general. imo

I dont really see TFs as a male. Not untill A fembot show up and raises the question. The are just big asexual robots. big because they are war machines, not from high levels of testosterone. In the movie their cybertron voices are digial noise not human. If I was a big badass war machine I wouldnt choose to synthisize a high pitched human voice. I would want some bass in there to command attention.

Optimus is using earth language when he says "brother". Im sure the intention here is brother used like black folk do or as you say in a brother in arms way. Prehaps they were created the same time/place/reason. As close as robots can get to being "geneticaly" similar.

Jawnee wrote:

primesdestiny wrote:

Jawnee wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:Yeah I'm not really a fan, glad she was dropped, prefer she is is left out of the sequel and someone like Jetfire/skyfire is stuck in instead.

You gotta have somethin for the girlies though

nuh uh. IMO and being that i am a "girlie", i say leave her out, the guys are just fine by me. arcee was ALRiGHT. but she didnt add anything special. i was always into the "boys" and their weapons so to speak.

You're already a fan so I'm not talkin about you. I'm talking about girls who aren't generally fans of mecha or the sci-fi genre in general. (ie my wife). Saying Arcee wouldn't "add anything to the film" is like saying women don't add anything to the human race. Lets be clear, it's not like shes my favorite transformer, but I always liked her because she was different, and if they bring her into this new Transformers franchise MINUS all her annoyances from G1 she could be a truly unique character.

i hear what ur saying but i have to disagree on where u said and i quote "Saying Arcee wouldn't "add anything to the film" is like saying women don't add anything to the human race." the comparison IMO, is too extreme. two totally different beings....women are here on this earth to reproduce as well as be the influential, smart, strong minded, sexy beings we naturally are!! arcee's purpose was??? ...... my point exactly .... let's be honest, the only reason they added her on to the show was to try and a. open the fan base to more girls and b. they just didnt want to hear no mess about being sexist. which is all fine by me, but i just dont think adding her would add more female fans (those that are not transformers fan already), as well as give the storyline a better direction. and on top of that, i just dont feel the need to add a bot who never really had any purpose to begin with. if they add her so be it, if they dont so be it. i just prefer that she not be added.



p.s. they dont need arcee to add more girls to the fan base anyway, all the girls seem to ADORE bumblebee after seeing the movie, so i think he alone is doing a fine job. alot of my girls love him to death, myself included.

Auto Bot wrote:My bad. Correction.

Another purpose of original color is to make original characters to be easily identifyable in their new design format.

Again I draw your attention to Ratchet, and a lesser extent Ironhide.

I like Arcee, I hope she's in the sequel!

I'm starting to think I'm one of few who didn't question everything about the transformers cartoon or old movie. size shifting robots? never questioned it or thought it was weird. female transformers? never thought to question it. It makes the Transformers race seem more alive. there's no reason to explain why there are female transformers. I hope Arcee is in the next movie, let us see that there is more in a transformer's life than war. Those of you that question everything about the cartoon and movies, why are you fans of it?

primesdestiny wrote:


i hear what ur saying but i have to disagree on where u said and i quote "Saying Arcee wouldn't "add anything to the film" is like saying women don't add anything to the human race." the comparison IMO, is too extreme. two totally different beings....women are here on this earth to reproduce as well as be the influential, smart, strong minded, sexy beings we naturally are!! arcee's purpose was??? ...... my point exactly .... let's be honest, the only reason they added her on to the show was to try and a. open the fan base to more girls and b. they just didnt want to hear no mess about being sexist. which is all fine by me, but i just dont think adding her would add more female fans (those that are not transformers fan already), as well as give the storyline a better direction. and on top of that, i just dont feel the need to add a bot who never really had any purpose to begin with. if they add her so be it, if they dont so be it. i just prefer that she not be added.



p.s. they dont need arcee to add more girls to the fan base anyway, all the girls seem to ADORE bumblebee after seeing the movie, so i think he alone is doing a fine job. alot of my girls love him to death, myself included.

well said

T Honk wrote:

primesdestiny wrote:


i hear what ur saying but i have to disagree on where u said and i quote "Saying Arcee wouldn't "add anything to the film" is like saying women don't add anything to the human race." the comparison IMO, is too extreme. two totally different beings....women are here on this earth to reproduce as well as be the influential, smart, strong minded, sexy beings we naturally are!! arcee's purpose was??? ...... my point exactly .... let's be honest, the only reason they added her on to the show was to try and a. open the fan base to more girls and b. they just didnt want to hear no mess about being sexist. which is all fine by me, but i just dont think adding her would add more female fans (those that are not transformers fan already), as well as give the storyline a better direction. and on top of that, i just dont feel the need to add a bot who never really had any purpose to begin with. if they add her so be it, if they dont so be it. i just prefer that she not be added.



p.s. they dont need arcee to add more girls to the fan base anyway, all the girls seem to ADORE bumblebee after seeing the movie, so i think he alone is doing a fine job. alot of my girls love him to death, myself included.

well said

Bumblebee is adorable isn't he? X3 Though it seems odd calling a 20ft or so robot that. Ah well! XDDD

Given how some fangirls are they'll just end up killing Arcee in their fanfics anyway.

But actually having her in the movie might be nice. Although given the way she is portayed they should've just called her Chromia instead. And that would stop some fans from questioning her since Chromia is actually a G1 character, so to speak. But then Ironhide would have a girlfriend half his height....

The only thing I find disappointing with the Transformers was you know every Con kicks the bucket except Scorponok and Starscream. I forgot to mention the short ammount of time Brawl and Bonecrusher appeared on screen was so bad they should have left them out. Of course they had to introduce a story to us and that's why we got a few Transformers on screen.

I like the Arcee design, but she would constantly have to have a hologram driver on her while in alt mode, to move around without being noticed.

Then there's the whole female/reproduction debate that it'll come up.....like her in general but i won't cry if i never see her in a TF film.

No Arcee please.

As a fangirl I can say honestly I'd rather they kept away from the femmes alltogether. It's not a sexist issue, it's an action issue.

I'd rather they bring in someone else. Arcee just isn't an intersting character. Even in the cartoon she was just there for robotic eye candy of sorts.

Just no. No thank you.


Bring Wheeljack, Prowl, or the twins in instead.

T Honk wrote:I dont really see TFs as a male. Not untill A fembot show up and raises the question.

But if all the Transformers were asexual war machines that - by coincidence - had all the attributes of females, would you feel the same way? That they would wouldn't have to explain anything until a male robot showed? Imagine the exact same scenario, but with the gender roles reversed...

Of course, then nobody would like the Transformers, because everyone would associate them as being girls, even if they were just asexual war machines, because Transformers is aimed primarily at boys, that's the reality.

I think people are overanalyzing this Arcee/female robots thing. Female 'bots are only difficult to explain if you try to explain them in the first place. If you just put Arcee there and don't mention her "female gender", I think less people would raise a fuss than if you actually tried to explain it.

It's like the Force in Star Wars, for the original trilogy, they never really explained what it was, where it came from etc. Then in Episode I when the try to explain it via the "medichlorian" things, then all of a sudden it just didn't work and felt stupid...

Alot of the women I talked to who have seen Transformers seem to bring up the same thing, something along the lines of "wasn't there a girl Transformer? It would have been neat to see her in there..."

Correction again...

Another purpose of original color is to make SOME of the original characters to be easily identifyable in their new design format.

Hehehe

I think Autobots ought to have a BASE in Movie #2. Arcee can stay behind to guard the base. Hehe

Watch "Rude awakening of Optimus Prime" in YouTube. Bots that Prime finds problematic or unpleasant, are ordered to stay behind and guard the base.

i wouldnt car if shes in the sequel or not but dont think she would have alot of fitging scenes like the other autobots would she doesnt seem to be that tough when pinned up against another decepticon not a sexest thing im saying i mean bumblee in the show they made him look weak but still was able to hold his own in this version weak bots dont last very long she looks tough i just dont see her holding her own in fight against barricade shes to delcate looking.

she could be megans(4get her chars name) gaurdian like how BB is sams

I do like this idea though mikeala ( megan fox character) her scooter got trashed in the first encouter with barricade now she uses arcee wouldnt be such a bad idea i just dont see her fitting in the story to much anything after that.