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Pontimax 01 wrote:*cough* hybrid *cough*

There is no such thin as a Hybrid ax/sword. There is no purpose to it. The sword in Prime's fore-arm is similar to other stylized swords. An example of a sword with a similar stylized shapoe is Lion Force Voltron's Blazing Sword. The tip of that sword, though double-edged, is similar to Prime's, though, not identical. It is still a swor, not a hybrid, not an ax. Axes and swords are both bladed weapons, but their functions and designs are very different. An ax is a waid somewhat fan-shaped blade attached to the end of a shaft with the blade perpendicular to the shaft. A swrd is a long blade extending straight out from a hilt, either single or double edged, and come in a wide variety of shapes from long, thin, and straight, curved, wavy, broad, etc. Fantasy swords come in even more shapes often with the blades cut into complex curves and points, similar to Prime's, or even more exagerated.

Everything doesn't have to be based off your examples. There doesn't have to be a store where you can buy a sword/axe combo for one to exist in a movie. If the CGI and design guys wanted to give him a modern looking and less hokey axe, they just styled it like we see it. Stop over analyzing everything and citing your "examples" and taking it personal when someone doesn't care about them. It's just a damn movie, and they probably don't run many armories in Hollywood, and they did as they pleased, and it just happens to look a lot like an axe on a sword shaft. Easy enough.

The thing is though, it doesn't look like an ax. It looks like a stylized sword, because that is what it is. It isn't a wide blade on a shaft. It is a long blade extending directly from a hilt. The definition of a swrod is as follows: "A weapon having various forms but consisting typically of a long, straight or slightly curved blade, sharp-edged on one or both sides, with one end pointed and the other fixed in a hilt or handle."—Webster's Unabridged Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.
The definition of a ax is as follows: "An instrument with a bladed head on a handle or helve used for hewing, cleaving, chopping, etc."—Webster's Unabridged Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.
Prime's weapon is a long, relatively straght, allbeit stylized, single-edged blade with a sharp tip at one end and fixed to a hilt in his wrist at the other. By that definition, it is a sword, not an ax.

Since you still have an issue, here's a tissue. Good luck man.

Cute.

Sorry, I just don't start threads for them to degrade into arguments that end up going nowhere. To do it over again, I'd have left this thread out of the forums. It's a waste of everyones time and the owners bandwidth.

You asked a question, and got an answer you didn't like. It doesn't make the answer any less true.

No, it's just a silly argument now. I'm no more persuaded by any of your rants and bold type then I was at the beginning. Just because you say, doesn't make it so.

End of story.

I'm not the only one who has said it's a sword, nor am I ranting. I, and others gave specific examples and definitions comparing and contrasting a sword and an ax, explaining what each is, and how that applies to identifying Prime's weapon type. IF you don'tr want to believe me, believe the dictionary, and the others who have posted solid evidence, and do your research on bladed weapons. Don't jump to conclusions that aren't based upon fact.

Tramp wrote:I'm not the only one who has said it's a sword, nor am I ranting. I, and others gave specific examples and definitions comparing and contrasting a sword and an ax, explaining what each is, and how that applies to identifying Prime's weapon type. IF you don'tr want to believe me, believe the dictionary, and the others who have posted solid evidence, and do your research on bladed weapons. Don't jump to conclusions that aren't based upon fact.

I don't give a crap about researching bladed weapons. That has nothing to do with how or why they designed his weapon like they did. Many many things in Hollywood are just so because someone thought it was cool that way, hence why so many cars explode.

Others have also said its an axe. Others have also said it's some kind of fictionalized hybrid. Because a few say this doesn't mean everyone else is necessarily wrong. Because you looked it up in a dictioniary isn't a good argument. The only way to truly know would be to get to the animators and ask them why it is what it is. But you won't even concede to that, because you like to argue and assert that your opinion is the only correct opinion.

No, that is not true, and, yes, knowing what defines one type of weapon is what, and doing the research is important and relevant especially when you are looking for the correct answer. The specific shape of any given weapon is based upon its function a sword is a weapon, pure and siple. An ax is primarily a tool which can be used as a weapon. The ones who have said they thought it was an ax did so purely because that is what G1 Prime had. Not because of what the weapon really is, or how the blade is designed. The Miffin, flat out admitted that fact. The differnces between the appearance and function of an ax and a sword are very clear. There is no overlapping. It is one or the other. An ax is a bladed haed on a long handle or helve. A sword is a long, single or double-edged bladed weapon, pointed at on end and fixed to a hilt at the other. That is what Prime's weapon is. People have posted images and diagrams, showing how the edge of the blade extends the entire length of the weapon down to the hilt, as well as images of similarly designed swords, including the Falchion. The dictionary also backs this up. This is all important evidence in identifying Prime's weapon. Why is that evidence so hard to accept?

I didn't bother reading your post. I'm sure it's just more argumentive rhetoric, because that's all you seem to want to do. You've just become a source of arrogance and inflexibility to me. I will not waste more time and space dealing with you. As said before, you have no ability to compromise or accept others opinions. Enough with you. I'm moving on to more constructive and interesting people on this site.

Site admin, site owner, and members. I apologize for the waste of everything this thread has become.

Pontimax 01 wrote:I didn't bother reading your post. I'm sure it's just more argumentive rhetoric, because that's all you seem to want to do. You've just become a source of arrogance and inflexibility to me. I will not waste more time and space dealing with you. As said before, you have no ability to compromise or accept others opinions. Enough with you. I'm moving on to more constructive and interesting people on this site.

Site admin, site owner, and members. I apologize for the waste of everything this thread has become.

You are being just as inflexible. You posed the question at the beginning of the thread and then when people started to voice their opinions on the matter you still were determined that its a hybrid and no other possible explanation. Some have shown exaples of swords that fit the description and give credence to it being a sword while all you did was be argumentative and demand that its neither. While you are correct in the statement that we wont know until the designers tell us I want you to take this into consideration. The original character breakdown had him as a King arthur type of noble character. Now what kind of weapon does King arthur have? Its a pointless discussion overall but for you to tell him he is inflexable and being argumentative you need to take a step back and look at your posts as well.

bay made the sword to be reminiscent of the axe not to be the axe

Tramp wrote:

Insurgent wrote:I would say Axe for no reason other than that's what I say. It was an axe in G1, and that's what I kept calling it. Plus, a sword would have the blade going down to the hilt. This doesn't.

Though a hybrid sounds good to me too.

Well, as Robinson pointed out and illustrated, yes, the edge of the blade does indeed run all the way from hilt to tip. Look at his image again.

As for why would a sword be better than an ax? Simple. First off, since it is a solid blade, not an energy weapon, it needs to the slender enough to fit into a sheath within his arm, and a sword blade provides more cutting surface because the edge runs the entire length. Secondly, an ax isn't designed for stabbing, a sword can stab. It's simply more practical as a weapon.

Firstly, it's hard to look at an image that was posted 11 hours after mine when this is the first time I've entered the thread since my first post. Check the time stamps.

Secondly, You can see the main blade curves inwards at the base. There is no evidence if that highlighted part is sharp, or if it is just a support bar to hold the blade on. Personally, I subscribe to that theory, even though there is no evidence either way.

Prime's weapon is a hybrid thing. I don't think it's either a pure axe or a pure sword.

As per request I've locked this thread.