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Skowl wrote:After reading through this thread, it's just more proof that the last 30 minutes of this movie is friggin' insane... there's so much action...

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

Hi-Q wrote:Ok, on a very, VERY slow replay from the final scene...

Barricade IS INDEED in the final battle scene, you just see him only for less than two seconds.

As Ironhide is running and shooting at Blackout, you see him tackle a cop car in mid-air, and you barely see that car transforming. As ironhide lands on top of him, you see one of his wheels fly off and roll away.

I guess they thought that would be enough to imply that Ironhide killed him? Kinda silly, because you don't even see him unless you're looking for him.

To be honest, I didn't even catch this until I went over the final scene with a comb.

I've seen the movie three times and don't recall seeing Barricade in this scene...it's probably just a regular cop car, as the description doesn't match the official novel.

I don't think they cut his death scene for the rating. They showed prime decapitate Bonecrusher and Megatron dismember Jazz. Barricade in the novel just jumps on Prime's back and gets crushed againsts a column.

What I am thinking is maybe they realized that Barricade is a fresh, cool new character and saved him from his fate to use him more for the next movie.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Hmmm. So since no one clearly has an answer (one says this the other debunks it, yada yada yada) there is a possibility that he may still be alive.

I'll say it again. His destruction is shown in both the novel and comic, so it's a fair bet that his destruction was also going to be in the movie, but suffered the indignity of being among the scenes trimmed from the final reel that ended up making the last twenty minutes disjointed. (It'll most likely be among the deleted scenes.)

Robinson wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Hmmm. So since no one clearly has an answer (one says this the other debunks it, yada yada yada) there is a possibility that he may still be alive.

I'll say it again. His destruction is shown in both the novel and comic, so it's a fair bet that his destruction was also going to be in the movie, but suffered the indignity of being among the scenes trimmed from the final reel that ended up making the last twenty minutes disjointed. (It'll most likely be among the deleted scenes.)

If it didn't happen in the movie, it din't happen.
My theory is he "ran" and scanned another cop car and laid low, kinda like his recon repaint in the toy.

Robinson wrote:If it didn't happen in the movie, it din't happen.

Cyber Bishop wrote:I agree with this, how many movies have things happened in print that were changed in the movie then when sequals came about characters that died in the novel popped up again in the movie.

Case in point
Jurassic Park, if you read the novel then you know that there is no possible way the characters of the second movie could appear in the novel (if you read it then you know exactly whom I am referring to).

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Robinson wrote:If it didn't happen in the movie, it din't happen.

Cyber Bishop wrote:I agree with this, how many movies have things happened in print that were changed in the movie then when sequals came about characters that died in the novel popped up again in the movie.

Case in point
Jurassic Park, if you read the novel then you know that there is no possible way the characters of the second movie could appear in the novel (if you read it then you know exactly whom I am referring to).

Thing is, though, there are cases where there was a scene that wasn't in the theatrical release that made its way into the subsequent DVD/Video release. Case in point, Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Both of these films had scenes that were either cut or intact in the theatrical release that were subsequently either removed or reinserted when they were released on DVD.

Cyber Bishop wrote:So I guess when the movie comes to DVD if they release the cut scenes then we will finally know the answer.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Robinson wrote:If it didn't happen in the movie, it din't happen.

Cyber Bishop wrote:I agree with this, how many movies have things happened in print that were changed in the movie then when sequals came about characters that died in the novel popped up again in the movie.

Case in point
Jurassic Park, if you read the novel then you know that there is no possible way the characters of the second movie could appear in the novel (if you read it then you know exactly whom I am referring to).

Thing is, though, there are cases where there was a scene that wasn't in the theatrical release that made its way into the subsequent DVD/Video release. Case in point, Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Both of these films had scenes that were either cut or intact in the theatrical release that were subsequently either removed or reinserted when they were released on DVD.

So I guess when the movie comes to DVD if they release the cut scenes then we will finally know the answer.

Robinson wrote:Even then, the theatrical release will be the "canon" so they could still bring him back even if the deleted scenes show otherwise.

Autobot032 wrote:"The killer robot is really distracting!" should've been kept in, but it was cut.

Starscream jumping into the air, transforming, and then knocking Ratchet over...cut.

I'm hoping Bay will do a Director's Cut DVD. I doubt it though, I've never seen him do one, that I know of. =\

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:"The killer robot is really distracting!" should've been kept in, but it was cut.

Starscream jumping into the air, transforming, and then knocking Ratchet over...cut.

I'm hoping Bay will do a Director's Cut DVD. I doubt it though, I've never seen him do one, that I know of. =\

The starscream shot was there.

Autobot032 wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:"The killer robot is really distracting!" should've been kept in, but it was cut.

Starscream jumping into the air, transforming, and then knocking Ratchet over...cut.

I'm hoping Bay will do a Director's Cut DVD. I doubt it though, I've never seen him do one, that I know of. =\

The starscream shot was there.

You're sh*ttin' me...right? If that's really true (and I'm not calling you a liar) then it really pisses me off even more about Bay's "shaky cam" tactics. >=(

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:"The killer robot is really distracting!" should've been kept in, but it was cut.

Starscream jumping into the air, transforming, and then knocking Ratchet over...cut.

I'm hoping Bay will do a Director's Cut DVD. I doubt it though, I've never seen him do one, that I know of. =\

The starscream shot was there.

You're sh*ttin' me...right? If that's really true (and I'm not calling you a liar) then it really pisses me off even more about Bay's "shaky cam" tactics. >=(

It didnt seem shaky at all to me, saw it plain as day.

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:"The killer robot is really distracting!" should've been kept in, but it was cut.

Starscream jumping into the air, transforming, and then knocking Ratchet over...cut.

I'm hoping Bay will do a Director's Cut DVD. I doubt it though, I've never seen him do one, that I know of. =\

The starscream shot was there.

You're sh*ttin' me...right? If that's really true (and I'm not calling you a liar) then it really pisses me off even more about Bay's "shaky cam" tactics. >=(

It didnt seem shaky at all to me, saw it plain as day.