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I was watching an episode of Beast Wars a while back and thought to myself "how awesome would it be with gore in it?"
I mean the characters have skin, fur and feathers; they're exterior beast form shells contain some type of tissue. I always imagined the transformation process being a bit painful for the preds and maximals. I don't mean blood and guts flying everywhere, but rather a bit more painful of a transformation with the tissues tearing apart and refusing together. Think Wolverine when he uses his claws how the flesh rips apart and then heals back over when he sheathes his claws. I'm not sure if there's already been any fan pics of it, but i thought it would look awesome seeing Optimus Primal litterally RIPPING out of beast mode into robot mode. It would be MUCH more vicious and a HELL of a lot more intimidating.

I understand that it would too gory for kids, but as an adult i can't help but envision a more realistic, darker version of the continuity. I mean, it's war; war is never pretty nor is it child friendly.

What do you think? Cool idea or ravings of a madman?

It would make Waspinator's death's less comedic...
That would be a plus for some, and a negative for others.

I think that the Beast Wars series didn't need the gore, it would have only made more of a mess in the CR chamer!

I think that would just make it more like robots that are similar to humans/alive beasts, which is never fun. I want robot robots, not robot humans/beasts. They don't need excess "blood" flying everywhere!

Gore?

As in energon dripping and squirting?

As in the beast modes bleeding?

that's simply not needed.

VestigialHeart wrote:I was watching an episode of Beast Wars a while back and thought to myself "how awesome would it be with gore in it?"
I mean the characters have skin, fur and feathers; they're exterior beast form shells contain some type of tissue. I always imagined the transformation process being a bit painful for the preds and maximals. I don't mean blood and guts flying everywhere, but rather a bit more painful of a transformation with the tissues tearing apart and refusing together. Think Wolverine when he uses his claws how the flesh rips apart and then heals back over when he sheathes his claws. I'm not sure if there's already been any fan pics of it, but i thought it would look awesome seeing Optimus Primal litterally RIPPING out of beast mode into robot mode. It would be MUCH more vicious and a HELL of a lot more intimidating.

I understand that it would too gory for kids, but as an adult i can't help but envision a more realistic, darker version of the continuity. I mean, it's war; war is never pretty nor is it child friendly.

What do you think? Cool idea or ravings of a madman?

For pete's sake it's a family show...

this mad man is raving like it's 2004 w/ glow sticks and an alt accurate G1 Megatron.
but really, IMHO wolvie level healing makes characters being damaged feel anti-climatic. Dinobot's death would have to be Rated R to be belivable as well. If kid's cried when Prime died...

It would be disgusting not awesome, I would not want to see such a thing (once might be ok, but as often as a Transformer transforms, no thanks).

And why should they rip from one form to the other, that would be shoddy enigneering and resource waste on their part. You don't want your soldiers to be momentarily inattentive, because they are in pain. You don't want to destroy their forms unnecesarily, because it takes precious extra energy to heal again.
It would also be a danger, what if the systems don't heal properly, what if some of the ripped off parts get stuck in some gears.

I'd rather play a 'jump to conclusions' game.

You see, there would be this mat, with different 'conclusions' that you could jump to....

and it would be a better idea than gore in Beast Wars.

Battier than Hallowe'en in a belltower with a pitchback machine.

What's Al Gore got to do with this?


Sorry I had too...

Do we even know for sure that it is REAL flesh they have? It may be some synthetic fake-organic matter as well.

And no, blood is not needed in my opinion. In my opinion, what makes fiction "adult" or "childish", is not the amount of blood in it, but the ideas and themes of the stories.

Counterpunch wrote:I'd rather play a 'jump to conclusions' game.

You see, there would be this mat, with different 'conclusions' that you could jump to....

and it would be a better idea than gore in Beast Wars.

... Why do people not understand Transformers cartoons (Including Beast Wars) are for kids? If you want gore, it'll probably be in the comics.

I was a child when Beast Wars was in it’s first run, it’s what got me really interested in Transformers.
As a collector now, and the target audience than, I can only hope this is a sick joke.
Ending each episode with the Maximals and Predicons ripping apart adorable kittens would likely have a better chance of improving the show than this.

Counterpunch wrote:I'd rather play a 'jump to conclusions' game.

You see, there would be this mat, with different 'conclusions' that you could jump to....

and it would be a better idea than gore in Beast Wars.

But, but, I'm going to set the building on fire.

I grew up watching G1 and Beast Wars. I know what the shows are about. I distinctly said "as an adult". I never meant that they should make a TV show or movie of it. I mean, we're not a bunch of children here are we? I kinda thought maybe for a moment we were adults who found something a little bit more than just a 'kid's show' in the Transformers continuities. I also said "I don't mean blood and guts flying everywhere." I just thought it would be awesome to have a more grizzly realism to the characters. One of the biggest, most influential concepts in Beast Wars and Beast Machines to me was the border between organic and technological and it was more than just the G1 emotional attachment b.s.. Even Dinobot, by far the most ruthless of the Maximals, found solace in preserving organic life. One of the other interesting elements was how the characters acted similair to their beast modes and I think that with a bit darker and slightly more gorey of a theme that the ferocity of some of the characters would truly come out in combat.

Jesus Christ, did I post on the MPAA website by accident? I didn't think that a mature themed continuity would be so controversial. Look at the movie that just came out! Its 'mature' theme is what sparked so much debate all over the boards! You see transformers getting ripped to pieces! Why is it all the sudden so taboo to propose the idea of an even more mature themed Beast Wars?

I can't believe that so much of the fandom is in agreement that Transformers is 'just a kid's show'. It's pathetic and truly a let down for me, somebody who has divulged so much energy to the franchise. Or maybe I'm just one of the few here who, instead of feeding an inner child, actually GREW UP watching the show and didn't stay prepubescent.

VestigialHeart wrote:I grew up watching G1 and Beast Wars. I know what the shows are about. I distinctly said "as an adult". I never meant that they should make a TV show or movie of it. I mean, we're not a bunch of children here are we? I kinda thought maybe for a moment we were adults who found something a little bit more than just a 'kid's show' in the Transformers continuities. I also said "I don't mean blood and guts flying everywhere." I just thought it would be awesome to have a more grizzly realism to the characters. One of the biggest, most influential concepts in Beast Wars and Beast Machines to me was the border between organic and technological and it was more than just the G1 emotional attachment b.s.. Even Dinobot, by far the most ruthless of the Maximals, found solace in preserving organic life. One of the other interesting elements was how the characters acted similair to their beast modes and I think that with a bit darker and slightly more gorey of a theme that the ferocity of some of the characters would truly come out in combat.

Jesus Christ, did I post on the MPAA website by accident? I didn't think that a mature themed continuity would be so controversial. Look at the movie that just came out! Its 'mature' theme is what sparked so much debate all over the boards! You see transformers getting ripped to pieces! Why is it all the sudden so taboo to propose the idea of an even more mature themed Beast Wars?

I can't believe that so much of the fandom is in agreement that Transformers is 'just a kid's show'. It's pathetic and truly a let down for me, somebody who has divulged so much energy to the franchise. Or maybe I'm just one of the few here who, instead of feeding an inner child, actually GREW UP watching the show and didn't stay prepubescent.

Nobody said that it is a show just for kids, but kids did watch it, which was the point.

As far as your last sentence goes, most likely you are one of those here who believes your opinion goes beyond everyone elses and gets upset when people don't agree with.

Jeaz, Tramp lives.

You know what annoys me? When you get fans who don't recognise the fact Transformers cartoons are aimed at kids, you know, the target audience for whatever toys they're trying to shill this season? Sure, Beast Wars was mature, but it was aimed at an audience that had grown up on Transformers. If you want "Mature" go read the comics. I'm happy with the status quo, and I'm enough of a fan to say I'm fine with how Transformers is written at whatever age it's aimed at. I love G1 just as much as I did when I was 5 years old.

I'm tired of hearing people who pop up from time to time crying 'WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! TRANSFORMERS NEED TO GROW UP BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLD!" What the hell gives us the right to take Transformers away from the younger audiences? Just because you watched it when you're a kid and you're in your late 20s, late 30s, late 40s, whatever, does that mean kids these days don't appreciate it? I'm 20 years old, and I'm quitting being a Transformer fan the day they say "Screw the kids, we're giving Transformers to the geeks who have to have everything their way and don't want the kids to have their fun with the brand." I loved Transformers as a kid, and I know for a fact there's kids out there who appreciate it just as much as I did when I was there age, and I dont' have the right to take that from them!

It's not a matter of right or wrong. I'm dissappointed in the responses that I've gotten. Responses like "For pete's sake it's a family show" and "Why do people not understand Transformers cartoons (Including Beast Wars) are for kids?" make me question how seriously people take the continuities. Responses like those from Counterpunch and Whiner-tron are malicious and unneccessary. If all you want is to bash then keep your words to yourself.

Did nobody read what I posted? I never said that Beast Wars is inadequate. I never said that they should make a cartoon of it. I never even said they should put it into the comics. I am speaking in ideas only. Some of you seem to be jumping to the conclusion that I think there should be rediculous amounts of gore, like Saw or Hostel or something. I'm talking about a darker atmosphere - something along the lines of Gladiator or 300. I'm imagining Optimus Primal looking like an honest to god ape with the attitude and maneurisms to match it in battle.

I don't mind if people don't agree with me. That's not the point. It's the fact that I posted here looking for mature feedback and responses and only got a handful. Debating is one thing; bashing is another. This is my first real time posting in a forum. Most of my conversations take place face to face in the 'real' world not cyberspace. Perhaps it is impossible to explain myself to people reading only words and not sensing what I mean by them.

Yeah, well we dont' take it ridiculously seriously. Who is Transformers marketted to? Survey says.... KIDS! The only reason Hasbro makes Homage figures, Alternators, comics, etc, is to shut us up. We're a minority audience. If you want to see a mature Transformers, MAKE your mature Transformers. In the mean time, theres the rest of us who are content with the staus quo.

You would think that with a motto like "Rules and Chassis are meant to be broken" that you would NOT want to file in line with the status quo.

That's beside the point, though. What the hell? I NEVER said that this idea should come into existance. I NEVER complained about anything at all. I NEVER condemned ANYTHING and I never said that Transformers is stupid because it's geared towards a younger audience. It's ridiculous how touchy and defensive you are.

I think that toys are important for a growing child's development because it allows them to use their imagination. Toys allow more room for imagination than most videogames and most other mediums. Kids don't buy toys ONLY to re-inact scenes from the cartoons and movies. They buy them and add a bit of themselves to the mix as they create their own personalities and situations. This is exactly what I'm doing now! I'm doing what you're trying to defend!

If you really aren't interested in new ideas and opinions then why do you even post on forums? Is a forum not supposed to be somewhere for people to discuss ideas and opinions? If all you're interested in is adhering to popular demand and the herd instinct then what are you here for? To just look at news and respond with simple acknowledgements without any input? Surely that's not the case as you have poured MORE than your fair share of opinion into flaming me. And I'd be hard pressed to believe that YOU represent the sole opinion of the entire fandom.

Whiner-tron wrote:Jeaz, Tramp lives.

Oh.
My.
God.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, well we dont' take it ridiculously seriously. Who is Transformers marketted to? Survey says.... KIDS!

That is true. Beast Wars, along with G1, was mainly targeted at children as their main audience. Gore in Beast Wars would possibly and probably be edited out anyway.


And Optimus Primal ripping out of his gorilla mode?
I think that would leave his alt. mode with bits and pieces missing when he transforms back...

VestigialHeart wrote:You would think that with a motto like "Rules and Chassis are meant to be broken" that you would NOT want to file in line with the status quo.

That's beside the point, though. What the hell? I NEVER said that this idea should come into existance. I NEVER complained about anything at all. I NEVER condemned ANYTHING and I never said that Transformers is stupid because it's geared towards a younger audience. It's ridiculous how touchy and defensive you are.

I think that toys are important for a growing child's development because it allows them to use their imagination. Toys allow more room for imagination than most videogames and most other mediums. Kids don't buy toys ONLY to re-inact scenes from the cartoons and movies. They buy them and add a bit of themselves to the mix as they create their own personalities and situations. This is exactly what I'm doing now! I'm doing what you're trying to defend!

If you really aren't interested in new ideas and opinions then why do you even post on forums? Is a forum not supposed to be somewhere for people to discuss ideas and opinions? If all you're interested in is adhering to popular demand and the herd instinct then what are you here for? To just look at news and respond with simple acknowledgements without any input? Surely that's not the case as you have poured MORE than your fair share of opinion into flaming me. And I'd be hard pressed to believe that YOU represent the sole opinion of the entire fandom.

Wow, you really ARE the rebirth of Tramp. I ripped my tag line from an old wrestling T-Shirt and replaced the word "Bones" with "Chassis" cos it sounds cool.

Damolisher wrote:
Wow, you really ARE the rebirth of Tramp..

I think he doesn't know who Tramp is...