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zonkers wrote:can i get a woot? this guy's a real beaut'!
this bot is hot, this gokin is smokin (sorry, got all giddy)
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Nico wrote:SKL is just a "wannabe Mazinger".
Convotron wrote:Nico wrote:SKL is just a "wannabe Mazinger".
Agreed!
zonkers wrote:Convotron wrote:Nico wrote:SKL is just a "wannabe Mazinger".
Agreed!
*ack!* haters!
Convotron wrote:As a fan of the Mazinger franchise, no, I'm not a hater. Also, to clarify, the SRC Mazinkaiser SKL figure is great but the Mazinkaiser SKL mecha design doesn't do much for me. Looking at how the flow of design evolution of Mazinger to Great Mazinger to Grendizer to Mazinkaiser, I can see each design bringing something new to the table. Mazinkaiser SKL is basically Mazinkaiser given a poser death metal visual make-over.
Now, if you want some hate, I could criticize the Mazinkaiser SKL OVA as well as Bandai's decision to release the SRC Mazinkaiser SKL as a Tamashii Web Shop Exclusive product.
zonkers wrote:"death metal" i'll accept, but "poser" is still hatin'
what's wrong with the Mazinkaiser SKL OVAs? reinvention & change-ups in continuity are nothing new in the anime kingdom. a new land, new factions, new characters-- it's all good to me. plus the animation is just downright kick-ass
Convotron wrote:Looking at how the flow of design evolution of Mazinger to Great Mazinger to Grendizer to Mazinkaiser, I can see each design bringing something new to the table. Mazinkaiser SKL is basically Mazinkaiser given a poser death metal visual make-over.
Just off the top of my head, the OVAs are full of cliche and derivative concepts, the plot is basic and goes nowhere, there's nothing to make me root for the protagonists, and the antagonists are barely villain-of-the-week quality.
As far as reinvention and change ups in continuity, Shin Mazinger Shougeki! Z Hen is a much better effort.
zonkers wrote:ok, so we can agree that people have different tastes & this is an ok thing
zonkers wrote:i've seen shin mazinger shougeki, & loved it too.. i think they were just able to make more story & plot depth because they had 26 episodes instead of 3...
zonkers wrote:personally, i think you're over-analyzing mazinger... i don't think its meant to be taken this seriously, but that's just me.. i mean, if i had to look at any stretch of mazinger & critique it as fiction, its all drek... but that's part of the charm of it, its cheesy, ridiculous, over-the-top stories & characters.. in the end, its just about *fun*
zonkers wrote:but as for 'hatin', any form of unsolicited negativity qualifies.. you didn't like mazinger skl.. that's fine... so why post about it? did it bother you so much you had to go out of your way to put it down? what's gained by pissing on someone's enjoyment? anyway, i'm done on the matter...
Convotron wrote:So.
Here.
I.
Go.
Convotron wrote:As far as posting about it, I simply agreed with Nico's opinion that Mazinkaiser SKL is a "wannabe Mazinger". You are the one who pointed fingers at people by accusing us of being haters.
Convotron wrote:You accuse me of putting Mazinkaiser SKL down and pissing on someone's enjoyment. That's insulting.
Convotron wrote:Let's get this clear.
Goblinator wrote:The new Mazinkaiser at least brought guns and the way they both fit on the chest to form the head of devilman is rather genius. I don't even know why you're considering Grendizer since he's not a Mazinger. Go Nagai was even against the idea of making Grendizer's universe related to Mazinger, but that was Toei's request for the tv series. But if you're really thinking into this evolution thing, then what about God Mazinger? Where does he fit? Heck, what about Mazinger U.S.A or the Mazinger Z from Mazinsaga?
Goblinator wrote:Are you really a Mazinger fan? The whole franchise is full of cliches and derivative concepts. The plot is basic but I see that hardly as a problem considering that SKL is primarily an action series. But seriously, the Mazinger series was never known for its plot. There's also an ongoing Mazinkaiser SKL manga that acts as both a prequel and a retelling to the OVA. That's really for those who want to get more into the backstory of the show.
[/quote][/quote]Goblinator wrote:It also had 26 episodes to tell its tale. SKL has a manga to make up for the short OVA. Shouldn't we look into the efforts of that one too?
zonkers wrote:ok now you're just starting to come off as a condescending troll...
zonkers wrote:i did so jokingly, hence the smiley sticking out his tongue
zonkers wrote:you labeled it as 'poser death metal', & you don't think your own comments have an insulting tone?
zonkers wrote:more condescension...
if people are talking about something they enjoy (which these forums are all about), & that thing just isn't your cup of tea, then why not just read a different post? its like if you don't like the quality of programming on tv, then change the channel....
Convotron wrote:With respect to Grendizer, its design influence is obvious, regardless of the background of its production. God Mazinger is part of the Mazinger franchise but its design deviates from the Mazinger "family tree" significantly because of its concept, which was supernatural rather than super robot. The same goes for Mazinsaga, which was body armour, not a super robot. Mazinger USA's design is basically a tweaked Mazinger Z design. It wouldn't make sense to include it in a post of mine where I was pointing out design evolution flow as I don't consider it necessarily a totally new Mazinger because it's Mazinger redesigned for the American market.
Convotron wrote:Yes, I am a fan. Mazinger Z created most of those cliches and concepts.
For an example of a cliche I saw in SKL that I think was lazy and could have been easily avoided, look at the pairing of Ken and Ryo. Ken is an out of control hot blooded character. Nothing more. Ryo is the cool and collected character with a mysterious past. He loses his cool when he's reminded of something traumatic and the hot blooded counter part helps bring him back to his senses. That cliche has been done to death. I like the concept of paired pilots for Mazinkaiser SKL, but the characters are cookie cutter at best.
Convotron wrote:SKL is primarily an action series...that excuses it from having a poor story? Genre doesn't excuse quality of writing. SKL doesn't have to be high art but simply saying that it's an "action story" doesn't give it an automatic pass either.
Convotron wrote:I'm judging the Mazinkaiser SKL OVA series, not additional media. Even if the manga is good, it doesn't change the criticisms I have of the OVAs. Despite being a 3 OVA series, it could have delivered much more in the story department. Certainly, it is an action packed story so less time is given for plot development but it doesn't take a dialogue filled script to make a story better. The plot was basically used as a way to link the action sequences together.
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