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Leonardo wrote:Maybe but Rartorata has been on Earth since The Gathering and I don't recall seeing any infected individual (like a member of the Pack, for example) bringing it from Cybertron to Earth. Unless the "incurable poison" in Rartorata's sting has, in this continuity, always been Angolmois but then why did he look infected on page 21 when he looked normal previously? Is that his 'manic attack' face with glowy eyes?

Rartorata just arrived on Earth in this issue. The one who has been on Earth is Injector. Same mold, different colors. All the Blentrons are recolored Fuzor molds.

Scaleface wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Maybe but Rartorata has been on Earth since The Gathering and I don't recall seeing any infected individual (like a member of the Pack, for example) bringing it from Cybertron to Earth. Unless the "incurable poison" in Rartorata's sting has, in this continuity, always been Angolmois but then why did he look infected on page 21 when he looked normal previously? Is that his 'manic attack' face with glowy eyes?

Rartorata just arrived on Earth in this issue. The one who has been on Earth is Injector. Same mold, different colors. All the Blentrons are recolored Fuzor molds.

They look near enough the same colours to me! Is this similar to the Apache / B'Boom issue? I swear, it's for people like me that they should've released the sourcebooks first!

Leonardo wrote:They look near enough the same colours to me! Is this similar to the Apache / B'Boom issue? I swear, it's for people like me that they should've released the sourcebooks first!

This is what I've been saying for the longest time...

I totally concur now. As I said before, I didn't have a problem with the idea when I [erroneously] assumed Apache was staying on Cybertron but now he's on Earth, in close proximity to B'Boom, I can forsee it being confusing. This Injector / Rartorarta issue has only reinforced that idea; I honestly didn't even register that those two models in this comic were separate characters. I'm not even sure where Rartorarta came from.

Maybe the Rartorarta needed a beast mode as he arrived on earth, he scanned Injector, as his beast-mode was so good looking?

Or, to be really crazy, maybe Rartorarta is Injector from a parallel future?

Anyways, you see in the scene with Shockaract that one of his three minions (who looks like Cybertronian mode Rartorarta) gets sent to stop Magamtron from meddling with the timelines, and that's when Rartorarta appears on Earth and attacks Ravage, but hits Razorbeast instead.

The toys of Rartorarta and Injector seem to be virtually identical, but they actually differentiate the characters quite abit in the comic - albeit, not enough that a person wouldn't assume that Injector had been transformed by the infection. Most distinctively, I think Rartorarta is rather hairy and darkly colored while Injector is sleek and brightly colored.

As far as B'Boom and Apache, I'll point out again that Apache doesn't have the shoulder guns that B'Boom does.

Still, I would rather they had engineered the plot such that the characters were the same rather than two different characters.

- Have B'Boom turn out to be a former member of the Pack, who, like many of the Maximals, lost his memory due to stasis-pod complications.
- Have Rartorarta, Elephorca, and Drancron be Unicronian upgrades / Angolomois infected versions of Injector, Torca, and Skyshadow. Similarly, Universe Nemesis Prime could have been a corrupted form of Big Convoy.

But such was not the case, sadly.

Still, a flawed Beast Wars comic is better than no Beast Wars comic.

Scaleface wrote:As for Apache and B'Boom, it would be nice if they looked at each other and noticed the similarity, or maybe some other transformer calls one by the other's name, just to acknoledge the similarity.

I think one of those two scenarios is more or less a given, Furman loves putting things like that in his comics.

Scaleface wrote:and that's when Rartorarta appears on Earth and attacks Ravage, but hits Razorbeast instead.

So Ravage was meant to be "the Chosen One"? I thought it was always meant to be Razorbeast...

At that point Magmatron had taken Ravage aside and explained what he had to do to oppose Shockaract. Before Ravage could tell anyone Rartorarta attacked Ravage and hit Razorbeast.

Scaleface wrote:At that point Magmatron had taken Ravage aside and explained what he had to do to oppose Shockaract. Before Ravage could tell anyone Rartorarta attacked Ravage and hit Razorbeast.

Looks like he was aiming for Razorbeast to me...

Caelus wrote:Still, a flawed Beast Wars comic is better than no Beast Wars comic.

I dunno. Going on all the available data, no comic seems to have been the right way to go, at least compared to the tripe we've been given thus far.

Caelus wrote:- Have Rartorarta, Elephorca, and Drancron be Unicronian upgrades / Angolomois infected versions of Injector, Torca, and Skyshadow. Similarly, Universe Nemesis Prime could have been a corrupted form of Big Convoy.

I think this could have worked. I quite like it.

I can't remember what Apache looks like in The Ascending itself but doesn't he have the shoulder cannons in the sourcebook?

As for Scaleface's plot explanation, yes, I'm sure that's right. Next time, I'll actually read the comic.

Scaleface wrote:As for Magnaboss in Universe, I like that he's the leader in both. It' means they don't really contradict each other that much.

No, what contradicts each other is that "Universe" never gives any indication that Magnaboss is G1 Prowl, Ironhide and Silverbolt. No, that just came about because Furman is writer of "The Ascending", and seems willing to throw out G1 characters at any opportunity.

Leonardo wrote:I can't remember what Apache looks like in The Ascending itself but doesn't he have the shoulder cannons in the sourcebook?

He does look a lot different in the Sourcebook from how he looks in The Ascending (while B'Boom looks the same in the two books), but he does not have the shoulder cannons in either publication. In the Sourcebook you can see his spare concussion missiles behind his head, but the cannons are no where to be found.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Scaleface wrote:As for Magnaboss in Universe, I like that he's the leader in both. It' means they don't really contradict each other that much.

No, what contradicts each other is that "Universe" never gives any indication that Magnaboss is G1 Prowl, Ironhide and Silverbolt. No, that just came about because Furman is writer of "The Ascending", and seems willing to throw out G1 characters at any opportunity.

Universe has yet to say either way, and so far Ascending has not said either way as well. So why get angry over, LITERALLY, nothing?

Scaleface wrote:Universe has yet to say either way, and so far Ascending has not said either way as well. So why get angry over, LITERALLY, nothing?

And seeing as how Universe is cancelled, it's unlikely it ever will.

As for getting angry...well, I think I have the right, don't I?

Finished Sourcebook #2 -

Spoiler:

The Maximal Elders are indeed their G1 counterparts.

Can't say I mind; I always thought they were supposed to be since I got the toy set as a kid.

That and it doesn't make a whole lotta sense for a race of immortal beings to simply vanish from Cybertron, without at least a few staying / living on as Maximals.

My only quibble is that I would have liked TMII Prowl to be the real Prowl - and having G1 Prowl still be alive makes TMII Prowl definitely bonkers. I can think of a way to have made that work, but it would have been contrived, and required a long ongoing series.

Now if they can just make the Black TM2 Owl Prowl his equally insane brother who thinks he's Smokescreen...

Caelus wrote:Finished Sourcebook #2 -

Spoiler:

The Maximal Elders are indeed their G1 counterparts.

Can't say I mind; I always thought they were supposed to be since I got the toy set as a kid.

That and it doesn't make a whole lotta sense for a race of immortal beings to simply vanish from Cybertron, without at least a few staying / living on as Maximals.

My only quibble is that I would have liked TMII Prowl to be the real Prowl - and having G1 Prowl still be alive makes TMII Prowl definitely bonkers. I can think of a way to have made that work, but it would have been contrived, and required a long ongoing series.

Wow, so I guess every Thomas currently on the planet, including myself, must be bonkers & just copying the original Thomas...
I'm not saying he ISN'T crazy, but assuming he is copying the original is a bit unfair, it's just a name, you can have two people with the same name.

Justicity wrote:I'm not saying he ISN'T crazy, but assuming he is copying the original is a bit unfair, it's just a name, you can have two people with the same name.

True, but his Tech Spec suggests that he believes he is G1 Prowl. Before, one assumed that he was G1 Prowl, but that his memories were damaged due to difficulties with his Stasis-Pod. Now one must conclude that:

1) He is not a reincarnated/reformatted version of anyone, but only thinks he is. His memories of his previous life are delusions. i.e. He's at least a little crazy.

2) He has a sincere spiritual belief in reincarnation, but does not actually have any memories of his previous life beyond deja vous, vivid dreams, and odd 'feelings'. This would make him similar to many, many humans.

3) He is a reincarnated/reformatted version of a brilliant Autobot tactician, but that tactician is not Prowl, in spite of his name. Skydive maybe. Or someone we never heard of. Perhaps even someone that was friends with or idolized Prowl.

Caelus wrote:

Justicity wrote:I'm not saying he ISN'T crazy, but assuming he is copying the original is a bit unfair, it's just a name, you can have two people with the same name.

True, but his Tech Spec suggests that he believes he is G1 Prowl. Before, one assumed that he was G1 Prowl, but that his memories were damaged due to difficulties with his Stasis-Pod. Now one must conclude that:

How many times have Tech-Specs been anything to base any form of continuity off of?
Bare in mind I haven't had a chance to read sourcebook #2, comes out tomorrow over here, so I don't know what that says about Owl-Prowl, but in my mind the Tech-Specs are not "cannon" for lack of a better term.

I shouldn't have read that spoiler

Justicity wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Justicity wrote:I'm not saying he ISN'T crazy, but assuming he is copying the original is a bit unfair, it's just a name, you can have two people with the same name.

True, but his Tech Spec suggests that he believes he is G1 Prowl. Before, one assumed that he was G1 Prowl, but that his memories were damaged due to difficulties with his Stasis-Pod. Now one must conclude that:

How many times have Tech-Specs been anything to base any form of continuity off of?
Bare in mind I haven't had a chance to read sourcebook #2, comes out tomorrow over here, so I don't know what that says about Owl-Prowl, but in my mind the Tech-Specs are not "canon" for lack of a better term.

Thing is, he had a really cool Tech-Spec, so the fact that they presumably aren't going to follow it is disappointing in and of itself.

Anyway, this book ends with Noctorro, so no Prowl bio yet...

Caelus wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Justicity wrote:I'm not saying he ISN'T crazy, but assuming he is copying the original is a bit unfair, it's just a name, you can have two people with the same name.

True, but his Tech Spec suggests that he believes he is G1 Prowl. Before, one assumed that he was G1 Prowl, but that his memories were damaged due to difficulties with his Stasis-Pod. Now one must conclude that:

How many times have Tech-Specs been anything to base any form of continuity off of?
Bare in mind I haven't had a chance to read sourcebook #2, comes out tomorrow over here, so I don't know what that says about Owl-Prowl, but in my mind the Tech-Specs are not "canon" for lack of a better term.

Thing is, he had a really cool Tech-Spec, so the fact that they presumably aren't going to follow it is disappointing in and of itself.

Anyway, this book ends with Noctorro, so no Prowl bio yet...

Oh, I thought you said in another thread that the Magnaboss trio were the G1 originals, confirmed by the Sourcebook. So did it just confirm Ironhide & that he worked with G1 Silverbolt & Prowl?

Justicity wrote: So did it just confirm Ironhide & that he worked with G1 Silverbolt & Prowl?

Yes.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Justicity wrote: So did it just confirm Ironhide & that he worked with G1 Silverbolt & Prowl?

Yes.

Impressive work for two Bots that died hundreds of years ago, and then had their bodies flown into the Sun... I know bodies shouldn't have any real impact on it, but still, what if their sparks were still inside their bodies??