The Energon Pub

orangeitis wrote:You can't apply Universe/Classics repaint logic to the MP line. Not till Takara/Tomy abandons their G1 accuracy theme. IJS. D:

I can do whatever I like. And what I damn well want to do is simply put AN IDEA out there.

What I don't get is why you feel driven to convince me that i'm wrong for my idea. Am I not allowed to imagine?

Trikeboy wrote:All I'm saying is it just wouldn't work for Motormaster.

And you base that on what exactly? I just don't get why you're saying "it won't work" when over the last 25+ years Takara's designers have pulled off some amazing designs.

You don't want to put faith in the designers, you go right ahead. But I firmly believe IF they wanted to, they could do it.

No, Burn is right that he can speculate about this. But there is certain facts that keep this from being THAT plausible in reality. Not saying things couldn't change, but still.

Burn wrote:

orangeitis wrote:You can't apply Universe/Classics repaint logic to the MP line. Not till Takara/Tomy abandons their G1 accuracy theme. IJS. D:

I can do whatever I like. And what I damn well want to do is simply put AN IDEA out there.

What I don't get is why you feel driven to convince me that i'm wrong for my idea. Am I not allowed to imagine?

Trikeboy wrote:All I'm saying is it just wouldn't work for Motormaster.

And you base that on what exactly? I just don't get why you're saying "it won't work" when over the last 25+ years Takara's designers have pulled off some amazing designs.

You don't want to put faith in the designers, you go right ahead. But I firmly believe IF they wanted to, they could do it.

OK, this is the last time I post in this thread about Motormaster because this thread is for ideas on Ultra Magnus. G1 Motormaster, which would be the basis for a Masterpiece should it ever arise, never ever had a smaller cab robot. The front end of the truck in both toy, cartoon and comic versions all had the cab as his feet only. There were no arms in the cab, not legs or feet, no little head. They were his feet. I actually have ideas on how a combiner would work with Motormaster and how all the connection slots for the legs would be inside the cab but they are ideas only. That being said, you are fully entitled to your own speculations as I am to mine.

Your idea as a cab for Ultra Magnus is great, I would support HasTak 100% if they did that. Now as promised, I will only talk about Ultra Magnus from now on should I post in this thread again.

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

well as I remember motomaster's cab becomes his legs and I belive magnus's form out of his trailor. I just don't know how that would work in the same toy.....however it is possible I'm mistaken or that they could find a way to make it work, time will tell.

I actually had wondered how a MP Motormaster would work to keep bot and truck in scale with MP-10, the biggest problem being the feet. But looking at pics of G1 animation Motormaster, I figured they could do a transformation in which only the top windows portion of the cab could fold out to become the feet, and the rest of his body could be folded from inside out, thus keeping him self-contained to the cab portion only and keeping the trailer seperate as sort of a skeleton to tie Menasor together.

Of course, this is entirely off topic. Should Magnus be a white Prime encased in armour, or simply white cab incased in trailer, the same mold could not be duplicated for Motormaster. It's all in those accursed feet!

My feelings on a MP Motormaster are simple: I wouldn't buy one. I don't care if it combines with other Stunticons, I wouldn't buy one. The character just isn't worth it to me. Though I do find it funny that if the other four Stunticons were to be the same size (thus the same price, $85) as Sideswipe, they would only total at about $340, meaning that even at $250 for Motormaster (the imported price of MP-09 & MP-10) a complete Takara G1 Masterpiece Menasor would cost less than Hercules.

orangeitis wrote:

craggy wrote:Just because the G1 cartoon didn't show Rumble and Frenzy sneaking off into the back of the Decepticon base and repainting themselves in the other's colours every five minutes, doesn't mean it didn't happen!

PLEASE!

That's a very inaccurate analogy, and a lot more far fetched.

craggy wrote:The G1 cartoon Ultra Magnus didn't have a white Prime inside armour, he was a car transporter who changed into a big robot. Simple! Until Dreamwave, I'd never even considered we'd see the white cab portion of UM get presented in fiction as anything.

I mean no offense, and I'm not trying to be insulting by saying this, but ignorance of the possibility don't make it false. Just because you never considered it don't mean it wasn't canon.

craggy wrote:Durrrr, but only from what we've seen so far! Maybe inside the armour is a little white robot with Vince McMahon's face screaming "It was me Austin! It was me all along!"

Now that logic don't have any bearing on anything. What is your purpose of even saying that? As an insult?

Just because you disagree with something don't mean you can act that childish. I know I'm calling someone out for being childish on a message board about kid's toys, but still...

I was parodying your stubborn refusal to accept that, in a work of fiction, as far as anyone outside of the creators knows, there only exists that which we are shown to exist.

zappatton2 wrote:I actually had wondered how a MP Motormaster would work to keep bot and truck in scale with MP-10, the biggest problem being the feet. But looking at pics of G1 animation Motormaster, I figured they could do a transformation in which only the top windows portion of the cab could fold out to become the feet, and the rest of his body could be folded from inside out, thus keeping him self-contained to the cab portion only and keeping the trailer seperate as sort of a skeleton to tie Menasor together.

Of course, this is entirely off topic. Should Magnus be a white Prime encased in armour, or simply white cab incased in trailer, the same mold could not be duplicated for Motormaster. It's all in those accursed feet!

His truck mode wouldn't be in scale with MP10, they concentrate on robot-mode scale. And to me the perfect MP Motormaster would just be a thorso to a giant Menesor, I don't care for individual combiner team members to me they are just body parts.

Let it be reminded that the "first" White Magnus to debut in any canon besides the toy, not DW Comic, but the 1986 Japanese Back Box Battle Scene Art! He is shown between Metroplex and the armor Ultra Magnus. He also appeared in toy commercial ads for the Japanese viewers.

As one of the biggest UMagnus fans, I prefer to see MP UMagnus to be done with a white Magnus robot putting on his armor just like G1 toy as oppose to Titanium style. This was how I remembered him back then. Just because Rodimus Prime trailer never open up revealing the large cannon and battle deck, in the cartoon doesn't mean it didn't exist. The same can be said for the White Magnus robot.

My reasons for wanting a white Magnus as an inner core are 1, it's a homage to both G1 toy and diaclone. 2, the idea of being able to display and alternate the two robot mode is priceless. Not to mention more playing value. 3, since this is the MP Line which has complexity, I think the armor version is more challenge than doing the Titanium style. Therefore, I expect TTomy to be able to find solution in order to make this MP UMagnus works and accurate to the cartoon so that both toy and cartoon fans can be happy. 4, as earlier poster mentioned, as nice the Titanium is, I agreed the small cab mode would be out of scale when putting next to MP10.

Another reason they should do armour is for the potential Powered Convoy repaint.

Plus it would be a good stepping stone for them to hone their MP trailer combining skills before developing God Ginrai. That in it's self can spin off three different versions.

Burn wrote:Another reason they should do armour is for the potential Powered Convoy repaint.

Plus it would be a good stepping stone for them to hone their MP trailer combining skills before developing God Ginrai. That in it's self can spin off three different versions.

Powered Convoy/Preview Movie UMagnus and God Ginrai is so bought!!

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

The cab forms Motormaster's feet. On Magnus, it's his inner robot.

To keep Motormaster's robot mode in scale with other MP's, his alt mode would have to be off scale. But it's not like MP-05's alt mode was to scale either.

Just skipped over the entire last page didn't you?

gothweaver wrote:

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

The cab forms Motormaster's feet. On Magnus, it's his inner robot.

To keep Motormaster's robot mode in scale with other MP's, his alt mode would have to be off scale. But it's not like MP-05's alt mode was to scale either.

Imagine how big Soundwave would be if they kept alt modes in scale, yikes.

Trikeboy wrote:

gothweaver wrote:

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

The cab forms Motormaster's feet. On Magnus, it's his inner robot.

To keep Motormaster's robot mode in scale with other MP's, his alt mode would have to be off scale. But it's not like MP-05's alt mode was to scale either.

Imagine how big Soundwave would be if they kept alt modes in scale, yikes.

Imagine the cassettes!

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

gothweaver wrote:

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

The cab forms Motormaster's feet. On Magnus, it's his inner robot.

To keep Motormaster's robot mode in scale with other MP's, his alt mode would have to be off scale. But it's not like MP-05's alt mode was to scale either.

Imagine how big Soundwave would be if they kept alt modes in scale, yikes.

Imagine the cassettes!

Hmm, is WST Soundwave in scale with Masterpiece?

Trikeboy wrote:Hmm, is WST Soundwave in scale with Masterpiece?

Off the top of my head i'd say no.

burn id like to know how you think they could solve the transformation issues between moto and magnus. I'm not opposed to the idea of a repaint I just don't get how they could, and I thought perhaps you had an idea on that.

njb902 wrote:burn id like to know how you think they could solve the transformation issues between moto and magnus. I'm not opposed to the idea of a repaint I just don't get how they could, and I thought perhaps you had an idea on that.

While i'm not an engineer, (I just work for an engineering firm), it's not uncommon as of late for TF's to have "fake" parts. Cybertron Optimus Prime for example, has a second chance.

So while I cannot state that it's possible, but if Motormaster were to combine with his trailer, then why couldn't there be a fake cab within that trailer that could form the feet?

Burn wrote:While i'm not an engineer, (I just work for an engineering firm), it's not uncommon as of late for TF's to have "fake" parts. Cybertron Optimus Prime for example, has a second chance.

So while I cannot state that it's possible, but if Motormaster were to combine with his trailer, then why couldn't there be a fake cab within that trailer that could form the feet?

How do you deal with that Motormaster's cab is of a different model than Magnus?





Note the extra windows MM has on the top of his cab.

I give up. I'm tired of justifying my idea to you people. Sorry for having an imagination and throwing ideas out there.

Burn wrote:I give up. I'm tired of justifying my idea to you people. Sorry for having an imagination and throwing ideas out there.

I can't speak for the others, but I personally didn't mean to outright crush your idea. I just want to introduce rational, constructive criticisms to it. If it can work in the parameters of what defines the MP line, then I'm all for it.

If it's any consolation, I do think that your idea could definitely work in a Classics-esque line. But MPs are too G1-accurate to bend the rules that much.

Burn wrote:I give up. I'm tired of justifying my idea to you people. Sorry for having an imagination and throwing ideas out there.

It's not an issue of imagination- it's that the idea flies in the face of what a Masterpiece is meant to be. The whole idea of a Masterpiece is that no stone is left unturned in terms of what the original was. Part of that is him being the transforming Prime Cab with the combining armour.

Motormaster is a different story. I'd much rather see the costs on Motormaster going into his "base" mode and making that mind-blowingly good. The fact is that there are enough improvements on Motormaster which could be made with the design as is- without resorting to redesigning the wheel.

Yes it would be good practice for God Ginrai, but let's be honest, if Motormaster is ever found to warrant a MP figure, he deserves to get the full MP treatment rather than be butchered into some test bed for yet another Prime figure (the irony of that in light of this thread shouldn't be lost on anyone).

The issue, if we're genuine about the new MP Magnus being done right (as opposed to being a super-articulated Titanium) isn't one of it being a Prime repaint, but it being only a Prime repaint.