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Personally, if they do a new mold for MP Ultra Magnus I'm hoping they avoid the whole albino Prime concept entirely.

After seeing the proportions that result from custom attempts with MP-02 and Igear's PP01U, maybe Hasbro/Takara should avoid this approach completely

After seeing how it worked with the Titanium Ultra Magnus, I'm thinking that might be a better direction for the over all figure.

So the car carrier/trailer will be a little thicker. I can deal with that. At least we won't have to open door after door after door to get to the matrix compartment in his chest!

Starting from Titanium Ultra Magnus is the way to go. The whole white Prime thing is so old it is laughable. In the show we never say white Ultra Magnus, the truck transformed into the trailer with no part showing. I want that from a new MP Ultra Magnus, not a white MP10 with armor wrapped around it.

Being in a larger scale they can do more with it and of course, since car bots will be in scale, they will be able to store on the trailer It will be so cool to display Ultra Magnus with Red Alert and Sideswipe on the trailer. Get some MP constructicons and you can act out the deleted scene from Transformers the Movie.

gothweaver wrote:Personally, if they do a new mold for MP Ultra Magnus I'm hoping they avoid the whole albino Prime concept entirely.

After seeing the proportions that result from custom attempts with MP-02 and Igear's PP01U, maybe Hasbro/Takara should avoid this approach completely

After seeing how it worked with the Titanium Ultra Magnus, I'm thinking that might be a better direction for the over all figure.

So the car carrier/trailer will be a little thicker. I can deal with that. At least we won't have to open door after door after door to get to the matrix compartment in his chest!

Custom jobs and 3rd party toys have no bearing on an official company with far more funding.

Trikeboy wrote:Starting from Titanium Ultra Magnus is the way to go. The whole white Prime thing is so old it is laughable. In the show we never say white Ultra Magnus, the truck transformed into the trailer with no part showing. I want that from a new MP Ultra Magnus, not a white MP10 with armor wrapped around it.

Being in a larger scale they can do more with it and of course, since car bots will be in scale, they will be able to store on the trailer It will be so cool to display Ultra Magnus with Red Alert and Sideswipe on the trailer. Get some MP constructicons and you can act out the deleted scene from Transformers the Movie.

Titanium Magnus was only the result of the designers wanting every figure in the line to be one whole piece.

And the G1 cartoon isn't the only G1 media out there. There was the toy line and the comics. There's no reason to exclude an integral part of the character just because one fiction didn't feature said aspect. We don't even know Magnus wasn't a white Prime with armor in the cartoon too... there wasn't anything that hinted at it either way. Additionally, there isn't anything in G1(that I'm aware of) that explicitly describes Magnus as just a big bot without armor.

IMO, MP Ultra Magnus should be a white Prime with good proportions in armor mode and an awesome vehicle mode. =D

Trikeboy wrote:Starting from Titanium Ultra Magnus is the way to go. The whole white Prime thing is so old it is laughable. In the show we never say white Ultra Magnus, the truck transformed into the trailer with no part showing. I want that from a new MP Ultra Magnus, not a white MP10 with armor wrapped around it.

Being in a larger scale they can do more with it and of course, since car bots will be in scale, they will be able to store on the trailer It will be so cool to display Ultra Magnus with Red Alert and Sideswipe on the trailer. Get some MP constructicons and you can act out the deleted scene from Transformers the Movie.

White Prime as Magnus is IDW's fault.

orangeitis wrote:We don't even know Magnus wasn't a white Prime with armor in the cartoon too... there wasn't anything that hinted at it either way.

As they didn't exploit that aspect of the toy I've always assumed he only had one robot mode. Remember, the toy came before the cartoon and before Transformers as well.

I've said it many times before: they should develop the Titanium idea for Masterpiece. If they want to concentrate on cartoon accuracy then that's the best way. I don't want a partsformer.

I rather like the white prime aspect, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they didn't include it. Having said that, does anyone else think that MP-10's proportions look a little weird? It seems to me like parts of his body have been stretched or shortened in odd spots, as if the whole design was meant to accomodate something more down the road (like a wrap-around Magnus armour). I MUCH prefer the bot mode look of the original MP Prime, but of course, because of scale I will get MP-10 at some point, but I always figured his weird look was a precursor to Magnus.

gavinfuzzy wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Starting from Titanium Ultra Magnus is the way to go. The whole white Prime thing is so old it is laughable. In the show we never say white Ultra Magnus, the truck transformed into the trailer with no part showing. I want that from a new MP Ultra Magnus, not a white MP10 with armor wrapped around it.

Being in a larger scale they can do more with it and of course, since car bots will be in scale, they will be able to store on the trailer It will be so cool to display Ultra Magnus with Red Alert and Sideswipe on the trailer. Get some MP constructicons and you can act out the deleted scene from Transformers the Movie.

White Prime as Magnus is IDW's fault.

It was actually Dreamwave that did the whole white Prime in armor. G1 cartoon and original comics all had him as 1 bot mode where he changed from car carrier into bot. No white Prime at all. We all know how good G1 Dreamwave comics were.



Jump to 3:53 to see the junkions repair Ultra Magnus and the lack of inner white robot.

Mykltron wrote:As they didn't exploit that aspect of the toy I've always assumed he only had one robot mode. Remember, the toy came before the cartoon and before Transformers as well.

Why assume that? I mean it's okay if you do and all, but it isn't unreasonable to go either way.

gavinfuzzy wrote:White Prime as Magnus is IDW's fault.

It's no one's "fault". It was originally in the G1 toy line.

zappatton2 wrote:I rather like the white prime aspect, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they didn't include it. Having said that, does anyone else think that MP-10's proportions look a little weird? It seems to me like parts of his body have been stretched or shortened in odd spots, as if the whole design was meant to accomodate something more down the road (like a wrap-around Magnus armour). I MUCH prefer the bot mode look of the original MP Prime, but of course, because of scale I will get MP-10 at some point, but I always figured his weird look was a precursor to Magnus.

IMO, MP-10's proportions are perfection. That said, Magnus armor on the mold wouldn't look any more disproportionate than MP-01, what with the short thighs and stocky midsection and all.

I'm not discounting the possibility that HasTakTomy could possibly make Magnus armor with good proportions though. I mean look how awesome their new MP molds have been turning out. While 'Swipe's chest is a bit wide, he's otherwise perfect. And Soundwave... I don't think he COULD get more perfect. Same with MP Grimlock's proportions.

Trikeboy wrote:It was actually Dreamwave that did the whole white Prime in armor. G1 cartoon and original comics all had him as 1 bot mode where he changed from car carrier into bot. No white Prime at all. We all know how good G1 Dreamwave comics were.



Jump to 3:53 to see the junkions repair Ultra Magnus and the lack of inner white robot.

That video proves nothing. Looking at the Autobot car modes in G1, by the same logic they wouldn't have robot parts in there at all. Their bodies transform, thus the possibility that an inner "white Optimus" could still be there in a weird unrecognizable form.

Still, with TakaraTomy the way it is, I'd say a white Prime repaint is unavoidable, just for the sake of toy accuracy which some people actually like. And should you not like that, leave the cab alone. It's as simple as that. Why deprive others of their likes so you can have your perfect toy?

They should do a white Prime and have the trailer be the armor. In robot mode it would be larger than Optimus, but in truck mode it would be the same. Otherwise we'd have a midget cab compared to MP-10 and in would look stupid. He would be the same size as Sideswipe. A semi cab is bigger than a Lamborghini.

Unless the whole trailer is a figure by iteself, the white prime would be necessary as a base for the armor to stick onto. Or it could be like the G1 toy where the cab just plugged into the armor just for the sake of having a cab in there.

Overcracker wrote:It could be just me, but I could swear Takara teased an Ultra Magnus Armor/Trailer for the MP 10 at the same time they showed MP10.

A here it is:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... age/22831/


With that said, there's really no way we can avoid the White cab.

That is the G1 trailer carved up and attached to MP10. It even says that in the article. Nobody is denying the white cab will be in play, it is just how it will be incorporated into the robot mode.

Rodimus Prime wrote:They should do a white Prime and have the trailer be the armor. In robot mode it would be larger than Optimus, but in truck mode it would be the same. Otherwise we'd have a midget cab compared to MP-10 and in would look stupid. He would be the same size as Sideswipe. A semi cab is bigger than a Lamborghini.

Not necessarily. The fact is, HasTakTomy wants every MP from 10-on to be in-scale in robot mode. Even if the trailer isn't a white Optimus, the vehicle modes could in fact still be of similar size.

Overcracker wrote:It could be just me, but I could swear Takara teased an Ultra Magnus Armor/Trailer for the MP 10 at the same time they showed MP10.

A here it is:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... age/22831/

That's actually a G1 Magnus mold cut up and fit over MP-10.

Edit: Ninja'd by Trikeboy.

I grabbed my MP10 off the shelf and figured out how they did that mock up. Prime is still in alt mode. The only difference is the feet are folded out and the legs extended. Nothing more. The front of the cab is pointing straight up. That isn't a Masterpiece transformation.

I don't want a possible MP Ultra Magnus remake to be a Centurion. If we are given a choice, I would pick something along the lines of Titanium UM any day with the cab being the same size as MP10's cab.

But naked "Magnus" is a part of the G1 canon, at least in the DW one. So I'm for the naked Magnus + augmentation armor ala FP, only without the Pop-Eye arms (though that more or less can be attributed to the classic arm design)

Just perusing an old TF mag that came with the Movie color Encore coupon, maybe they, TomyTakara can take some cues from the Studio Ox artworks.

fenrir72 wrote:But naked "Magnus" is a part of the G1 canon, at least in the DW one. So I'm for the naked Magnus + augmentation armor ala FP, only without the Pop-Eye arms (though that more or less can be attributed to the classic arm design)

Just perusing an old TF mag that came with the Movie color Encore coupon, maybe they, TomyTakara can take some cues from the Studio Ox artworks.

White Magnus has only appeared in Dreamwave and Games of Deception. Everytime we have seen Ultra Magnus, he is red and blue.

Trikeboy wrote:White Magnus has only appeared in Dreamwave and Games of Deception. Everytime we have seen Ultra Magnus, he is red and blue.

Nope. The G1 toy too. And aspects of the G1 toy version of a characters a very important detail for MPs.

Not to mention dozens of Optimus repaints after that, but the issue here is G1.

MP-10 incorporated some influences from the DW universe ( the ion rifle back pack feature for example) and being G1, that would be a no brainer using the core Optimus figure as the base for the exo suit.

Yes but Masterpiece is now gearing towards cartoon accuracy. It started with Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime and now with Sideswipe, Red Alert, Laserbeak and Soundwave. Cartoon accurate Ultra Magnus has a white cab but it incorporates into the trailer only, no white Prime inside.

Maybe a little bit of the two?

Trikeboy wrote:Yes but Masterpiece is now gearing towards cartoon accuracy. It started with Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime and now with Sideswipe, Red Alert, Laserbeak and Soundwave. Cartoon accurate Ultra Magnus has a white cab but it incorporates into the trailer only, no white Prime inside.

Sigh. I'm repeating these points for the 10th time. But it seems they still need repeated.

#1: Just because the "White Optimus" underneath the Magnus armor wasn't shown in the G1 cartoon don't mean it wasn't there.

#2: The Masterpiece line isn't just going for cartoon-accuracy. Though that IS the focus, it don't encompass the entirety of the figure. Like fenrir72 pointed out, the ion rifle stores in MP-10's back like in the DW comics.

Besides, what is this fear of the white Optimus being the base for MP Ultra Magnus anyway? Do you know for a fact that it'll hamper engineering? Do you know it'll make the proportions goofy, or limit poseability? No offense, but I think this is all paranoia to be honest, and if Magnus's true form(yeah, I said it ) does indeed show up as the base with the trailer armor for his next MP incarnation, it don't matter one bit. Transform him from truck mode right into armored mode like in the cartoon. No harm whatsoever.

It's not that I'm totally against a white prime with magnus trailer. It's just that it complicates features like the opening matrix chamber (you know they're going to want to throw this in)

Personally I like the white prime just for his stark whiteness, but I've seen how regular prime is transformed and it just doesn't seem to look like it's going to work unless you simply dissect the trailer, and clip it on to the white prime's body. (kinda like RID prime and his big robot mode)

Dudes, it will likely be a white repaint of MP 10, remember the mock up that was posted using the chopped up G1 Magnus armour?
Yea, that was a mock up, the designer even stated in his twitter that he made that just to get an idea of how he could pull off Magnus. It's likely that MP Magnus will come with a trailer and feature remolding on the inner robot form to improve the larger mode's proportions and articulation. It may even remold the chest to make it easier.

How about this: I want a white Optimus underneath. That is the way I want it. That is the only way I want it. I hope that Takara releases it with the armor and Hasbro doesn't. I want both on my Magnus shelf. Magnus as a white version of Optimus has is canon in both Dreamwave and IDW (read Megatron Origins again) and even the toy made for Armada/Energon had a little dude that plugged into the armor. He wasn't an Optimus but still, dude in armor. Even in RiD, the very first time he wwasn't an OP repaint and Magnus was his own character, he became armor for Optimus to wear!

Plus how cool is this?


How cool was it when you first saw it? I'd still buy a poster of this image without the logos on it! Magnus=White Optimus, Ultra Magnus=White Optimus in Armor. It's just the way it should be!