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Tramp wrote:

Mkall wrote:ENOUGH!!!

Tramp, you were warned about this behaviour by Cyber Bishop. Why can't you accept that someone has a different viewpoint than you?

3 [Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works

This means absolutely nothing. The fact that Hasbro approves something DOES NOT MEAN that it is G1 canon. Look at IDW's work. It's approved by Hasbro, focuses on G1 Characters, does that make it G1 canon? No.

Look at 3H's TF Universe titles. Even the recent one where the humans are at the wrong end of the Decepticon cannons. Is that canon? No, because to my knowledge those events never occurred.

Look at the new BW sourcebooks being printed. They're trying to combine all the characters into one universe, does this mean that it retcons everything else? No.

They are alternate views. Some people accept them as canon, others don't. Accept it and move on.

Mkall, yes it does make it officially canon. I can accept other people's viewpoints no problem. Someoone trying to claim a canon source is flat out not canon I can't accept because that isn't our choice. It is Hasbro's and Takara's. We are not the authority on canon. Hasbro is. Takara is. They determine canon by liciensing and approving these books, comics, movies, and cartoons. Whether we accept them into our persona canon is not an issue, but official canon is another matter all together, and only Hasbro can determine that, and without a specific canon policiy like Paramount's and Lucas Licensing's for Star Trek and Star Wars, the very definition of the word Canon, establishes that everything licensed and sanctioned by Hasbro is canon. This includes the Ultimate Guide.

Hey, dickhead, show some respect. He knows more than you do.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Do you only focous on Star Trek because its the only one that specifically state its not canon or is it because you have no answer for the other exsamples that I sited????

I don't know the official canon policies on the other properties you have mentioned in the past. I only know that of the Star Trek and Star Wars properties.

So your saying you know the canon policies of Hasbro and Transformers????Where is that info coming from???????I would like to know who you have spoken to at Hasbro.

I am saying, without a specific canon policy from Hasbro, regarding Transformers, everything licensed and approved by them and Takara is canon by default. Therefore, unless Hasbro specifically excludes certain materials from their canon, it is all canon.

DC comics dont have a "specific canon policy" and not everything licensed and approved by them is canon by default........Why is that???????

Tramp, is there a reason you continue to fester around this topic? I've told you to leave repeatedly. And why do you keep correcting staff members? This is what I mean, you think you know more than everyone.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Do you only focous on Star Trek because its the only one that specifically state its not canon or is it because you have no answer for the other exsamples that I sited????

I don't know the official canon policies on the other properties you have mentioned in the past. I only know that of the Star Trek and Star Wars properties.

So your saying you know the canon policies of Hasbro and Transformers????Where is that info coming from???????I would like to know who you have spoken to at Hasbro.

I am saying, without a specific canon policy from Hasbro, regarding Transformers, everything licensed and approved by them and Takara is canon by default. Therefore, unless Hasbro specifically excludes certain materials from their canon, it is all canon.

DC comics dont have a "specific canon policy" and not everything licensed and approved by them is canon by default........Why is that???????

Are you sure about that? As far as I know, yes it does make it all canon. All of those stories in the various media are a part of the DC canon, unless specifically stated otherwise. They all add to the greater mythos. And that is the key. Unless the owner of the proerty specifically claims something as non-canon, then it's canon by the very act of being approved, licensed, and sanctioned by that authority.

OK, I will tell you one last time, Tramp. Get your 37 Year old, no sexed loser ARSE out of my goddamned topic, or I will take further actoin. PISS OFF.

Damolisher wrote:Tramp, is there a reason you continue to fester around this topic? I've told you to leave repeatedly. And why do you keep correcting staff members? This is what I mean, you think you know more than everyone.

I know more about canon policies because it is part of the business I am in. I have to know. Just as I have to know abour copyright issues, and the like. As far as our own personal canons go, if we as individuals want to exclude certain sources that is fine by me. But when it comes to official canon, only Hasbro has the authority to tel us something is or is not canon, and they do that through approving, licensing, and sanctioning the work in question. Unless they secifically state a particular work is non-canon, officially, it is canon.

Note: Title says YOUR DEFINITION OF CANON, not "37 Year old virgin's definition of canon. GO AWAY. You are annoying.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Do you only focous on Star Trek because its the only one that specifically state its not canon or is it because you have no answer for the other exsamples that I sited????

I don't know the official canon policies on the other properties you have mentioned in the past. I only know that of the Star Trek and Star Wars properties.

So your saying you know the canon policies of Hasbro and Transformers????Where is that info coming from???????I would like to know who you have spoken to at Hasbro.

I am saying, without a specific canon policy from Hasbro, regarding Transformers, everything licensed and approved by them and Takara is canon by default. Therefore, unless Hasbro specifically excludes certain materials from their canon, it is all canon.

DC comics dont have a "specific canon policy" and not everything licensed and approved by them is canon by default........Why is that???????

Are you sure about that? As far as I know, yes it does make it all canon. All of those stories in the various media are a part of the DC canon, unless specifically stated otherwise. They all add to the greater mythos. And that is the key. Unless the owner of the proerty specifically claims something as non-canon, then it's canon by the very act of being approved, licensed, and sanctioned by that authority.

Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demond were written as a presnt Day Batman story but was not canon.
Batman: The Killing Joke Batman: Was also written as a present day story and was not ment to be canon it wasnt till the end of that year when Barbra Gordan showed up in Suicide Squad issue #23 in a wheel chair that it was adopted into canon.
Nether of these storys were part of the elsworlds line up and did not have disclaimers stating that they were not canon with the rest of the DC universe.
I can go on siting others all night but whats the point

Tremp what make a body of work canon is if the owner makes a "specific" statement that it does.....not the lack or such a statement.

Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon were originally meant to reside outside of main continuity, though they have more recently been tied into main continuity. They were non-continuoity, not non-canon. To my knowledge, Killing Joke was always meant as part of main continuity. Elesworlds is a specific title involving these iconic characters in stories set in time periods and settings other than their real settings. They aren't simply non-continuity, but set in truly other times and places and events which could not take place in main-line continuity.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tremp what make a body of work canon is if the owner makes a "specific" statement that it does.....not the lack or such a statement.

No. If that were the case, then nothing in Transformers is canon because Hasbro has never released an official canon policy stating what is canon. Therefore, the opposite is true, unless the authority—Hasbro/Takara—specifically states that something that they have licensed and sanctioned, is not canon, then it is canon.

I just sent an email to Hasbro regarding this issue, and hope for an answer soon. I won't make any guarantees I'll get one though.

Tramp wrote:Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon were originally meant to reside outside of main continuity, though they have more recently been tied into main continuity. They were non-continuoity, not non-canon. To my knowledge, Killing Joke was always meant as part of main continuity. Elesworlds is a specific title involving these iconic characters in stories set in time periods and settings other than their real settings. They aren't simply non-continuity, but set in truly other times and places and events which could not take place in main-line continuity.

GET OUT OF THE DAMN TOPIC, YOU BLOODY PAIN IN THE ARSE!!!!

Tramp wrote:Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon were originally meant to reside outside of main continuity, though they have more recently been tied into main continuity. They were non-continuoity, not non-canon. To my kowledge, Killing Joke was always meant as part of main continuity. Elesworlds is a specific title involving these iconic characters in stories set in time periods and settings other than their real settings. They aren't simply non-continuity, but set in truly other times and places and events which could not take place in main-line continuity.

Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon may have been ment to be outside the mainstream universe but there's not disclaimer at the begining or ending of the books to say as much so by your theroy they are canon and in continuity by default.
And your wrong about The Killing Joke If you read the book you would know becaus they show a photo of Batwoman and Bat-mite in the Batcave.......2 character's wipe from continuity by the first crisis.Meaning that it was written to be outside continuity.

No Damolisher. I was responding specifically to a post Sto_vo_kor posted. It has nothing to do with you.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon were originally meant to reside outside of main continuity, though they have more recently been tied into main continuity. They were non-continuoity, not non-canon. To my kowledge, Killing Joke was always meant as part of main continuity. Elesworlds is a specific title involving these iconic characters in stories set in time periods and settings other than their real settings. They aren't simply non-continuity, but set in truly other times and places and events which could not take place in main-line continuity.

Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon may have been ment to be outside the mainstream universe but there's not disclaimer at the begining or ending of the books to say as much so by your theroy they are canon and in continuity by default.
And your wrong about The Killing Joke If you read the book you would know becaus they show a photo of Batwoman and Bat-mite in the Batcave.......2 character's wipe from continuity by the first crisis.Meaning that it was written to be outside continuity.

By default, they are part of the canon, not necessarily the main continuity. Continuity and canon are two different things.

This is my thread, you sad, sexless cretin. And that's canon, as you've been told already, you arrogant prat. Tramp, I seriously hope you get banned some time soon. And going by the disdain with which your'e treated by everyone, I hope that isn't too far away.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tremp what make a body of work canon is if the owner makes a "specific" statement that it does.....not the lack or such a statement.

No. If that were the case, then nothing in Transformers is canon because Hasbro has never released an official canon policy stating what is canon. Therefore, the opposite is true, unless the authority—Hasbro/Takara—specifically states that something that they have licensed and sanctioned, is not canon, then it is canon.

I just sent an email to Hasbro regarding this issue, and hope for an answer soon. I won't make any guarantees I'll get one though.

So by your theroy if theres no law againist killing its ok by default???????Lack of an official canon policy does not make everything canon by default.For that matter if theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro then all this fighting you have continued to do on the Guide and how its canon has just lost its bite.That means that the Guide might not be canon.You were never any good in debate class were you........you just gave up you posion and you dont even know it..........Theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro you just said. it.That means that the Guide is not offical.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tremp what make a body of work canon is if the owner makes a "specific" statement that it does.....not the lack or such a statement.

No. If that were the case, then nothing in Transformers is canon because Hasbro has never released an official canon policy stating what is canon. Therefore, the opposite is true, unless the authority—Hasbro/Takara—specifically states that something that they have licensed and sanctioned, is not canon, then it is canon.

I just sent an email to Hasbro regarding this issue, and hope for an answer soon. I won't make any guarantees I'll get one though.

So by your theroy if theres no law againist killing its ok by default???????Lack of an official canon policy does not make everything canon by default.For that matter if theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro then all this fighting you have continued to do on the Guide and how its canon has just lost its bite.That means that the Guide might not be canon.You were never any good in debate class were you........you just gave up you posion and you dont even know it..........Theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro you just said. it.That means that the Guide is not offical.

Somebody just got served

Sto_Vo, simply because something exists in Tramp's feeble little mind is good enough for him. Hasbro could make a press release and say that none of Dreamwave's material is canon, and Tramp would try to argue with them.

Hell, this is the same arrogant tosser who sent Simon Furman an e-mail telling him that Transformers HAD to have females because his little science laws for life had to be enforced, because otherwise kids (Read: sexless 37 year old virgins) wouldn't read his comics, because it would be too boombastic to suspend their (read: HIS) disbelief, because science states in order for something to be living it HAS to have sex. (I mean, Transformers are robots, but that's beside the point. Hell, he tried to correct Don Figueroa with how he drew certain Transformations.

If Tramp thinks it's right, even though no-one cares what he thinks, and he's not the one who's working for any company involved with Transformers, it's right, regardless of who tells him he's wrong. God himself could tell Tramp he's wrong, and Tramp would try to argue with him.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
So by your theroy if theres no law againist killing its ok by default???????Lack of an official canon policy does not make everything canon by default.For that matter if theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro then all this fighting you have continued to do on the Guide and how its canon has just lost its bite.That means that the Guide might not be canon.You were never any good in debate class were you........you just gave up you posion and you dont even know it..........Theres no official canon policy stating what is canon by Hasbro you just said. it.That means that the Guide is not offical.

Yes, it dsoes mean it's all canon. Unless the specifically exclude something, it's canon.

Also, technically, if something is not prohibited by law or by a rule, then it is allowed be default. That is why we have laws prohibtiting certain things or restricting certain things. Otherwise, we could do whatever we wanted without consequence.

Tramp, shut up. You're a pompous little idiot who thinks he's always right, simply because you think you are. No-one likes you, no-one cares what you think. Go away, and stop annoying everyone you come into contact with. If you're like this in real life, no wonder you don't have a woman.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon were originally meant to reside outside of main continuity, though they have more recently been tied into main continuity. They were non-continuoity, not non-canon. To my kowledge, Killing Joke was always meant as part of main continuity. Elesworlds is a specific title involving these iconic characters in stories set in time periods and settings other than their real settings. They aren't simply non-continuity, but set in truly other times and places and events which could not take place in main-line continuity.

Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon may have been ment to be outside the mainstream universe but there's not disclaimer at the begining or ending of the books to say as much so by your theroy they are canon and in continuity by default.
And your wrong about The Killing Joke If you read the book you would know becaus they show a photo of Batwoman and Bat-mite in the Batcave.......2 character's wipe from continuity by the first crisis.Meaning that it was written to be outside continuity.

By default, they are part of the canon, not necessarily the main continuity. Continuity and canon are two different things.

Now your changing the definition of the word canon.......here is what you stated earlyer....

3 [Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works

Stories that are in Continuity are the "Holy Scripture" of that character or Universe of character's that the story is telling.The two words are not very different at all when it conserns what were talking about.How can the story Son Of the Demon be canon "Holy Scripture" if its outside continuity????????

Sto_Vo, Tramp will change whatever he wants, just so he can be right. Let the feeble minded geek think whatever the hell he's like. He's not worth wasting our time on.

Damolisher wrote:Sto_Vo, Tramp will change whatever he wants, just so he can be right. Let the feeble minded geek think whatever the hell he's like. He's not worth wasting our time on.

You see how even when hes dis-proven with his own words he just dubble talks his way out!!!!!!!!!I dont know what could push a man to the exstream that he always has to be right.........I thing he's trying to cover up some small aspects of his personality

Oh, and Lady (Downagraded from the Tramp), about the Batman thing- I managed to snag this while surfing google:

"Damian Wayne is a fictional character in the DC Comics Universe. He is the son of Batman and Talia al Ghul, from a brief marriage in the previously non-canon story Batman: Son of the Demon.

Note the words "Previously non-canon", meaning while it's canon now, it didn't used to be.