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Shadowman wrote:To be fair, the number of American-made cartoons in the past thirty years with substantial plot is staggeringly low. And Hasbro did not help in that regard. (Poor poor Mattel. The 2003 MOTU series had so much potential)

All that's left is Anime, and you can only bring over so much of that at once, and even so, there's only a few series at any given time that don't need severe butchering.

Ah MOTU, how I miss you.

Outlaw Star is a pretty good example of an anime that was butchered, but the edits didn't really take away from the story. Sure episode 23 was banned, but it didn't really take away from the plot.

Season 1 of Ah My Goddess would be pretty easy to to edit and release. Season 2 would be another issue though considering Peorth and her antics.

It truly is sad though that US shows generally suck, but Anime is usually pretty good. Why is that?

robofreak wrote:It truly is sad though that US shows generally suck, but Anime is usually pretty good. Why is that?

Probably because anime writers don't presume their audiences are complete imbeciles.

Also because they do things in anime shows that 'popular wisdom' in the US doesn't consider appropriate for kiddies. Characters have complicated and sophisticated storylines: They make enemies. They have romances. They get angsty. They kiss. And they die. (Roy Fokker, I will *never* forgive you!)American parents are ridiculous about sex (and for some reason about representations of positive relationships but like Chris Brown and Rihanna is okay), but are okay with mindless violence.

We reap what we sow.

Just think how John Q Televangelist would respond to Ranma 1/2. I show "Stormy Weather" from season one to my mass media students and they are to a one of them shocked and appalled at, what? Breasts? Not even *naked* breasts, mind you.

HK, cleavage solves everything.

hellkitty wrote:American parents are ridiculous about sex (and for some reason about representations of positive relationships but like Chris Brown and Rihanna is okay)

I'm sorry, but where on earth are you getting that people are accepting of that? Everyone is condemning them, and saying they shouldn't be together and some are even asking for Chris Brown's head.

I was raised on mindless violence and sex(horror and action movies!!) and I'm not a violent person. Why? Because my mom made sure I knew the difference between reality and fiction. I was more afraid of a guy breaking into my house and killing us all more then I was afraid of the boogeyman. Ah, the joys of growing up in a ghetto. It drives me insane when people try blaming stupid things people do on tv, music, and movies. Blame the parents.

Too be honest I lost faith in Cartoon Network as soon as they started broadcasting too much rubbish by the year 2003, that's in the UK anyway.

original sin wrote:

hellkitty wrote:American parents are ridiculous about sex (and for some reason about representations of positive relationships but like Chris Brown and Rihanna is okay)

I'm sorry, but where on earth are you getting that people are accepting of that? Everyone is condemning them, and saying they shouldn't be together and some are even asking for Chris Brown's head.

They are both retards. its best not to think about them. if she won't listen to Oprah, she wont listen to anybody.

original sin wrote:I was raised on mindless violence and sex(horror and action movies!!) and I'm not a violent person. Why? Because my mom made sure I knew the difference between reality and fiction. I was more afraid of a guy breaking into my house and killing us all more then I was afraid of the boogeyman. Ah, the joys of growing up in a ghetto. It drives me insane when people try blaming stupid things people do on tv, music, and movies. Blame the parents.

good too hear i'm not the only one. parents now at days want their kids raised in bomb shelters, isolated from independant thought, and on 22 kinds of medication.

original sin wrote:I'm sorry, but where on earth are you getting that people are accepting of (Chris Brown and Rihanna)? Everyone is condemning them, and saying they shouldn't be together and some are even asking for Chris Brown's head.

I get it from here for one place. And I get it by having given my freshman comp students a quick freewrite about it. According to the majority of 18 year olds on Long Island, women should not aggravate men into hitting them.

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I was raised on mindless violence and sex(horror and action movies!!) and I'm not a violent person. Why? Because my mom made sure I knew the difference between reality and fiction. I was more afraid of a guy breaking into my house and killing us all more then I was afraid of the boogeyman. Ah, the joys of growing up in a ghetto. It drives me insane when people try blaming stupid things people do on tv, music, and movies. Blame the parents.[/quote]

Truth, my friend. I remember when everyone blamed metal for, well, anything; video games for Columbine; and dungeons and dragons for psychosis. Now they blame rap and hip hop and more elaborate video games like GTA, but the basic whine is still the same. Don't know as I think it's ALL on the parents--Oprah wants us to read kids' diaries and myspace pages and randomly drug test. I don't know about y'all, but were I a young person, I'd find that insanely intrusive and being found 'guilty before the fact' and it would frankly piss me off. And pissed-off teenagers are marvellously inventive in the 'trouble' department.

Remember, the US had the Hayes Code for many years to protect everyone, not just young folks, from 'sexy' content. That's why you never see Barbara Eden's navel in _I Dream of Jeannie_. Too sexy for you to handle, mes amis. But Law & Order: SVU? Bring it on!

HK, who likes sex *and* violence.

I think you guys all make a valid points but we are forgetting one big detail and possably why cartoon Network is doing thease shows.

THE CHILDREN'S TELEVISON ACT.

This television act from the FCC is to make sure the programming that is on television is to make sure all networks have a certain amount of hours of educational programming for kids a week. They also have to keep a report on file of how this show is educational and allow them to be seen per request.

The problem is with the advent of the Children’s Television Act. Is that the number of quality shows has gone down significantly to have money to enforce the act. Thus the reason why I think you see a lot of direct to DVD releases of Wonder Woman it’s a way to skirt around it a little.

So the reason why possibly there is no afternoon blocks of cartoons or barely at all on Saturday is because they have to go with the Act. And why they stopped programming blocks Like Toonami is because it’s not educational. And this is why they pick and choose and don’t support a lot of outside projects like Transformers Animated.

But If I was Hasbro and Cartoon Network. I would say screw the FCC let’s get some lobbyist in there and tell them how the act isn’t helping anyone but making things worse and is getting in the way of other companies who want to make money as well.

Heck show them the truth the same thing I said in the beginning this act doesn’t work it just make more headaches and there is educational TV parents just need to make kids watch it if they want it. Thouse who don't are just lazy parents.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I think you guys all make a valid points but we are forgetting one big detail and possably why cartoon Network is doing thease shows.

THE CHILDREN'S TELEVISON ACT.

This television act from the FCC is to make sure the programming that is on television is to make sure all networks have a certain amount of hours of educational programming for kids a week. They also have to keep a report on file of how this show is educational and allow them to be seen per request.

The problem is with the advent of the Children’s Television Act. Is that the number of quality shows has gone down significantly to have money to enforce the act. Thus the reason why I think you see a lot of direct to DVD releases of Wonder Woman it’s a way to skirt around it a little.

So the reason why possibly there is no afternoon blocks of cartoons or barely at all on Saturday is because they have to go with the Act. And why they stopped programming blocks Like Toonami is because it’s not educational. And this is why they pick and choose and don’t support a lot of outside projects like Transformers Animated.

But If I was Hasbro and Cartoon Network. I would say screw the FCC let’s get some lobbyist in there and tell them how the act isn’t helping anyone but making things worse and is getting in the way of other companies who want to make money as well.

Heck show them the truth the same thing I said in the beginning this act doesn’t work it just make more headaches and there is educational TV parents just need to make kids watch it if they want it. Thouse who don't are just lazy parents.

First, the way you put it makes it sound like ALL shows must be educational, but that isn't true. Toonami was canceled because Adult Swim was doing the same thing, only without needing censorship.

Second, 4Kisd.TV tried to go against this act. It's important to note that 4Kids.TV is no longer operating for the exact same reason. Not because they were crap, but because they didn't put on the required amount of educational programming, and Fox was catching a lot of crap from that, so they let it go.

Shadowman wrote:

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I think you guys all make a valid points but we are forgetting one big detail and possably why cartoon Network is doing thease shows.

THE CHILDREN'S TELEVISON ACT.

This television act from the FCC is to make sure the programming that is on television is to make sure all networks have a certain amount of hours of educational programming for kids a week. They also have to keep a report on file of how this show is educational and allow them to be seen per request.

The problem is with the advent of the Children’s Television Act. Is that the number of quality shows has gone down significantly to have money to enforce the act. Thus the reason why I think you see a lot of direct to DVD releases of Wonder Woman it’s a way to skirt around it a little.

So the reason why possibly there is no afternoon blocks of cartoons or barely at all on Saturday is because they have to go with the Act. And why they stopped programming blocks Like Toonami is because it’s not educational. And this is why they pick and choose and don’t support a lot of outside projects like Transformers Animated.

But If I was Hasbro and Cartoon Network. I would say screw the FCC let’s get some lobbyist in there and tell them how the act isn’t helping anyone but making things worse and is getting in the way of other companies who want to make money as well.

Heck show them the truth the same thing I said in the beginning this act doesn’t work it just make more headaches and there is educational TV parents just need to make kids watch it if they want it. Thouse who don't are just lazy parents.

First, the way you put it makes it sound like ALL shows must be educational, but that isn't true. Toonami was canceled because Adult Swim was doing the same thing, only without needing censorship.

Second, 4Kisd.TV tried to go against this act. It's important to note that 4Kids.TV is no longer operating for the exact same reason. Not because they were crap, but because they didn't put on the required amount of educational programming, and Fox was catching a lot of crap from that, so they let it go.

Well most of 4Kids was crap to begin with. But you're right not all but a majority of their block has to be Set forth a clear definition of what type of programs qualify as core programs: they generally must have serving the educational and informational needs of children as a significant purpose; be aired between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10 p.m.; be a regularly scheduled weekly program; and be at least 30 minutes in length.

Now they could be making another person happy the parents making sure the parents don't go a minute without seeing it that it is educational. Or maybe because they don't want parents to sue over it too.
I say let's just do this let's just throw out the law and make it defunct.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:Well most of 4Kids was crap to begin with. But you're right not all but a majority of their block has to be Set forth a clear definition of what type of programs qualify as core programs: they generally must have serving the educational and informational needs of children as a significant purpose; be aired between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10 p.m.; be a regularly scheduled weekly program; and be at least 30 minutes in length.

It's not most, it's some. In fact, three hours per week. That's maybe two shows per day.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I say let's just do this let's just throw out the law and make it defunct.

Again, that's why 4Kids isn't on TV anymore. You can't throw out the law unless you make the law.

Shadowman wrote:

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:Well most of 4Kids was crap to begin with. But you're right not all but a majority of their block has to be Set forth a clear definition of what type of programs qualify as core programs: they generally must have serving the educational and informational needs of children as a significant purpose; be aired between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10 p.m.; be a regularly scheduled weekly program; and be at least 30 minutes in length.

It's not most, it's some. In fact, three hours per week. That's maybe two shows per day.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I say let's just do this let's just throw out the law and make it defunct.

Again, that's why 4Kids isn't on TV anymore. You can't throw out the law unless you make the law.

See this is the thing this law was made by a bunch of over concerned parents who found themselfs unable to go a day with out complaining about anything.

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I might be streaching it here but if they made the law we can undo it.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I might be streaching it here but if they made the law we can undo it.

You are stretching it quite far. It'd take many months of work, and a lot of money. And if your only reason for doing so is that you don't like the programming you're not going to get anywhere with it.

Shadowman wrote:

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I might be streaching it here but if they made the law we can undo it.

You are stretching it quite far. It'd take many months of work, and a lot of money. And if your only reason for doing so is that you don't like the programming you're not going to get anywhere with it.

I just think it's one of the many reasons why children's programing has fallen into the sad state it's in and I feel it is cencorship networks worries about offending people. Also companies like hasbro who aren't using new media to their full potentenial. You Tube is your friend!!!

i think hasbro just got the complaints everyone had about animated. now they're gonna scrap it, after we've come to like it.

cartooon network is trying to get the kid fanbase back, i know alot more adults who watch it than kids. they maket kids toys, most of which adults won't buy, the marketers are pressuring them to make it more kid oriented.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I just think it's one of the many reasons why children's programing has fallen into the sad state it's in and I feel it is cencorship networks worries about offending people.

It's the other way around; they're worried about offending people, which is why they censor things.

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:Also companies like hasbro who aren't using new media to their full potentenial. You Tube is your friend!!!

YouTube is your friend if you don't mind poor audio and video quality, as well as a maximum of maybe 11 minutes to a video. Which I think is why they're not using that for GI Joe: Resolute.

IF YOUR A YOUTUBE PARTNER, the videos can be a half hour or more. i've seen 1 video that was an hour and a half

Shadowman wrote:

Sky Glory of Iacon wrote:I might be streaching it here but if they made the law we can undo it.

You are stretching it quite far. It'd take many months of work, and a lot of money. And if your only reason for doing so is that you don't like the programming you're not going to get anywhere with it.

How about on the grounds that it's unconstitutional. The US Constitution clearly states (I'll look up the exact clause when I get home from work later*) that if an authority is not specifically granted the Fed Government by the Constitution then the Fed Government does not have the authority to do it.


Of course to even bring something like this to court in this liberal day and age you must have another unconstitutional idea known as standing.


*If you want to look it up for yourself you want to look up enumerated powers.

The Government is allowed to make laws and enforce them. Which is kind of a burden to your "Government regulation of television is unconstitutional" argument.

Shadowman wrote:The Government is allowed to make laws and enforce them. Which is kind of a burden to your "Government regulation of television is unconstitutional" argument.

Err no according to the constitution it's not. The role of the federal government is to govern within the bounds set forth within the constitution. If a law is to be made concerning the regulation of television such a law is the sole responsibility of a/the state government/s until such time as an amendment to the constitution is passed allowing the federal government to so regulate television. It is important to remember that the Republic as set forth within the constitution is not a single nation but a union of fifty free and independent states which inumerate power to the federal government through the constitution.

Further more television is not commerce but media and as such does not fall under the "regulation of interstate commerce clause" but under the first amendment.

Edit: "Enumerated powers" says it one way, but in all honesty the tenth amendment says it best:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution ... amendmentx

It's 15 minuted until I watch just about the only show I watch on CN, TF Animated and I've only got one thought right now.

It's strange to see how far this thread has gone. From a cartoon-less cartoon network to law and government.

They could have just left there crappy cartoons on and we would have been, for the most part, happy.

The Children's Television Act is creating the most unwatchable block of television created since MTV did a similar format switch. Gs to Gents, anyone? The Big Four networks now have Saturday mornings so boring, I long for a hangover. I fail to see how what Cartoon Network is pitching, however, at ALL conforms to 'educational' content. Watching some Ghost Hunters ripoff laden with prepubescents isn't going to teach anyone anything. Moreover, it's doubtless going to put the Religious Right into a foaming tizzy for promoting ideas of the supernatural. The people who went after Harry Potter aren't really going to be fond of their children exploring their neighborhoods in search of portals to Hell.

I'm just against Government Regulation to begin with, but I'm one of them thar weirdo Libertarians. Government controlled TV sounds an AWFUL lot like 'state run television' to me. Pravda, Komrades!

The real reason they're switching to LA is it's cheap. Though I think someone here who is supersmart was also right on the money--they're trying to get the 'kid' audience back. I wish it didn't require alienating anyone who's seen the far side of middle school, though.

The answer, of course, is minivideos. All hail Red Vs Blue!

HK, Halo *goddess of death*. Once upon a time.

hellkitty wrote:Government controlled TV sounds an AWFUL lot like 'state run television' to me. Pravda, Komrades!

The funny thing is, though, that the Government owns the airwaves within the country, so this is, more or less, true.

hellkitty wrote:The answer, of course, is minivideos. All hail Red Vs Blue!

"Blue vs. Red battles. No one says Red vs. Blue. It sounds stupid when you say it backwards."

(Guess who moved on to quoting Reconstruction?)

HK wrote:I'm just against Government Regulation to begin with, but I'm one of them thar weirdo Libertarians. Government controlled TV sounds an AWFUL lot like 'state run television' to me. Pravda, Komrades!

I knew there was something I liked about you.

Shadowman wrote:The funny thing is, though, that the Government owns the airwaves within the country, so this is, more or less, true.

Sadly something else that is a Constitutional no no for the the Fed.

Jar Axel wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The funny thing is, though, that the Government owns the airwaves within the country, so this is, more or less, true.

Sadly something else that is a Constitutional no no for the the Fed.

Yeah, so is the right to control and maintain "airspace." Constitutionally speaking, the government should not be allowed to govern and control what flies in and out of the country.

Shadowman wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The funny thing is, though, that the Government owns the airwaves within the country, so this is, more or less, true.

Sadly something else that is a Constitutional no no for the the Fed.

Yeah, so is the right to control and maintain "airspace." Constitutionally speaking, the government should not be allowed to govern and control what flies in and out of the country.

Wrong again; national defence is one of the federal governments duties as outlined in the constitution.