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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
And why didn't he possess his own, giant body rather than Waspinator's?Zombie Starscream wrote:If you count only the ones that are strict canon (unless they all are,) then it's easy to follow everything.
But if you allow for time travel and dimension hopping, then stuff gets screwy and confusing.
And if he's a ghost, how is he able to travel to a time period to where he's still alive, even though he's in some sort of hibernation, like in Beast Wars?
How he got to the time of the Beast Wars we may never know (maybe it was via a similar Transwarp portal like the one that the Axalon and Darksyde came through back in the first episode), but his arrival in the 90s during the Stargate Battles was explained clearly.Zombie Starscream wrote:If you count only the ones that are strict canon (unless they all are,) then it's easy to follow everything.
But if you allow for time travel and dimension hopping, then stuff gets screwy and confusing.
And if he's a ghost, how is he able to travel to a time period to where he's still alive, even though he's in some sort of hibernation, like in Beast Wars?
The problem with anything occuring after "Ghost in the Machine" is that Starscream gets a new, physical body at the end of that episode. He's then sent tumbling off uncontrollably into space, never to be seen again in the cartoon (still in his new solid body). If his ghost were to appear following this, he'd have to have lost this new body of his somehow, but there's nothing to support this.Diem wrote:I always assumed that it went Starscream's Ghost, Ghost in the Machine, the various mangas, Possession.
If they happen in anything other than (in-universe) chronological order then Starscream really doesn't take advantage of his future knowledge often enough.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The problem with anything occuring after "Ghost in the Machine" is that Starscream gets a new, physical body at the end of that episode. He's then sent tumbling off uncontrollably into space, never to be seen again in the cartoon (still in his new solid body). If his ghost were to appear following this, he'd have to have lost this new body of his somehow, but there's nothing to support this.Diem wrote:I always assumed that it went Starscream's Ghost, Ghost in the Machine, the various mangas, Possession.
If they happen in anything other than (in-universe) chronological order then Starscream really doesn't take advantage of his future knowledge often enough.
Even the Japanese fiction says that, by 2025, he's fighting against Bumblebee, Jazz, and Grimlock somewhere in space. And I'm not sure how they'd be able to do this if he were a ghost again.
If you're going by what I said about him fighting BB, Jazz, and Grimlock in 2025, there are two things wrong with this.Cyberstrike wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The problem with anything occuring after "Ghost in the Machine" is that Starscream gets a new, physical body at the end of that episode. He's then sent tumbling off uncontrollably into space, never to be seen again in the cartoon (still in his new solid body). If his ghost were to appear following this, he'd have to have lost this new body of his somehow, but there's nothing to support this.Diem wrote:I always assumed that it went Starscream's Ghost, Ghost in the Machine, the various mangas, Possession.
If they happen in anything other than (in-universe) chronological order then Starscream really doesn't take advantage of his future knowledge often enough.
Even the Japanese fiction says that, by 2025, he's fighting against Bumblebee, Jazz, and Grimlock somewhere in space. And I'm not sure how they'd be able to do this if he were a ghost again.
Remember that Galvatron wounded him at the end of "Ghost in the Machine".
The rest is conjecture on my part: wounded he went offline and was rescued by some aliens (most likely the Quintessons) made a deal with them for repairs and an upgrade. Starscream became a Pretender, betrayed the Quintessons and stole the Pretender tech and made the other Decepticons Pretenders, and they fought Bumblebee, Jazz, and Grimlock and the rest of the Autobot Pretenders.
He tried to use the Pretenders to take over the Decepticons and he challenged Galvatron to fight him near black hole, basically Galvatron destroyed Starscream a second time by throwing him into the black hole which allowed him to travel backwards through time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
This is why I'm thinking that "Ghost in the Machine" chronologically occurs last.Nemesis37 wrote:What doesn't help is how vague his fate was portrayed at the end of Ghost in the Machine. He's wounded and screaming and spiraling...and then what? If Possession does happen after, how does that explain how his spark becomes bodyless again?![]()
I know it's been suggested Galvatron destroys him again, but with Transformers being notorious for differences between animation and comics, I'd be weary to reference anything outside of the cartoons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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