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nikeprime wrote:You must be colorblind if you can't see the grey and white tones on Grindor DURING THE MOVIE, and the dark, blackish purple color of Blackout.

Did you ever wonder how it feels to be the guy how screams at an other person saying "hey what are you deaf or something???" only to find out they really are deaf???

Well you no longer have to wonder.

He is near color blind.

hellkitty wrote:Question about Grindor/Blackout:

I THOUGHT (So please correct gently and don't slap me) that the difference between the two IS a toy color difference. BUT I also thought that though both Blackout and Grindor are Sikorskies, they were different models. The toys are both Pave Lows, but I thought Grindor was not a Pave Low, and have different armaments (as in, not the .50 on the chest) than Blackout.

MInd you I don't have a copy of ROTF yet, so maybe someone who has it could check that? Gently? So we don't get into a mean argument? Again? Pretty please?

HK, peace and harmony, people...

Scatterlung wrote:The only real difference, that only veeery knowledgeable folks would know, is that the helicopter form of Grindor is much larger than Blackout's. There's also a subtle difference in the equipment mounted on the nose of the vehicle mode, but again, nothing you'd pick up as a casual viewer.

Dammit, am I three inches tall or something?

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm still not convinced. That's what Hasbro says, they make the toys not the movie. If they intended someone who looks just like Blackout to be a different character they would have mentioned his name somewhere.

In the ROTF video game he's called Grindor, but still blueish in color.

Rial Vestro wrote:With Demolisher(Who I prefer to call Scavenger) and Scavenger(Who I prefer to call Devastator's main body.) you can tell them apart because even though they're the same vehicle with the same coloring they have entirely different transformations.

Same coloring? Dude, Demolishor was white/gray in the Shanghai battle.







Only his Robot Mode face is primarily red. It is for this reason that TakaraTomy is making the Shanghai Attack Demolishor toy: to make the figure more screen-accurate.

Not sure where that picture of the white vehicle came from but your first image doesn't show up at all and the screen capture from the movie is RED.

That toy is white but it's not movie accurate and haveing a recolor in the toy line in the wrong colors is nothing new, look at Barricade and Bumblebee. Recon Barricade was primarily blue and Stealth Bumblebee was mostly black with yellow stripes (the oppiste of his normal coloring.)

Rial Vestro wrote:Not sure where that picture of the white vehicle came from but your first image doesn't show up at all and the screen capture from the movie is RED.

That toy is white but it's not movie accurate and haveing a recolor in the toy line in the wrong colors is nothing new, look at Barricade and Bumblebee. Recon Barricade was primarily blue and Stealth Bumblebee was mostly black with yellow stripes (the oppiste of his normal coloring.)

I believe this is the picture he had up.[and if thats not exactly the pic its from the same scene]




And as you can see its like Sabrblade said ...."Demolishor was white/gray in the Shanghai battle."

So....what screen caps are you looking at????

Rial Vestro wrote:Not sure where that picture of the white vehicle came from but your first image doesn't show up at all and the screen capture from the movie is RED.

The screen capture shows a white/gray Demolisher. So that post failed pretty badly.

As for where the pics of the white toy came from: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... her/17131/

That info is a few weeks old now.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Not sure where that picture of the white vehicle came from but your first image doesn't show up at all and the screen capture from the movie is RED.

That toy is white but it's not movie accurate and haveing a recolor in the toy line in the wrong colors is nothing new, look at Barricade and Bumblebee. Recon Barricade was primarily blue and Stealth Bumblebee was mostly black with yellow stripes (the oppiste of his normal coloring.)

I believe this is the picture he had up.[and if thats not exactly the pic its from the same scene]




And as you can see its like Sabrblade said ...."Demolishor was white/gray in the Shanghai battle."

So....what screen caps are you looking at????

Still see red and the second picture he had up was a screen cap from the movie.

That third smaller pic is of the actual excavator used in that scene.

Sabrblade wrote:That third smaller pic is of the actual excavator used in that scene.

Well then someone goofed the coloring on the robot design because he sure looks red.

Rial Vestro wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Not sure where that picture of the white vehicle came from but your first image doesn't show up at all and the screen capture from the movie is RED.

That toy is white but it's not movie accurate and haveing a recolor in the toy line in the wrong colors is nothing new, look at Barricade and Bumblebee. Recon Barricade was primarily blue and Stealth Bumblebee was mostly black with yellow stripes (the oppiste of his normal coloring.)

I believe this is the picture he had up.[and if thats not exactly the pic its from the same scene]




And as you can see its like Sabrblade said ...."Demolishor was white/gray in the Shanghai battle."

So....what screen caps are you looking at????

Still see red and the second picture he had up was a screen cap from the movie.

Even color blind I thought you could at least see the difference between red and white-ish grey.

Guess I was wrong about that.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That third smaller pic is of the actual excavator used in that scene.

Well then someone goofed the coloring on the robot design because he sure looks red.

Well, the way I see it, since Demolishor was shown to be white and Scavenger was shown to be red, that red "Wheelbot" Robot Mode concept art could be for Scavenger, had he assumed a Robot Mode in the film.

Plus, the Legends class Scavenger will have a red Robot Mode, so it work for that too.

I guess people could take the white Demolishor redeco and use that as the real Demolishor, and take the first red Demolishor figure and repurpose it as a transforming Scavenger.

There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Prime Riblet wrote:There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Ever heard of RIBFIR? This is a very, very silly fandom.

Scatterlung wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Ever heard of RIBFIR? This is a very, very silly fandom.

Please dont start that one up here

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Scatterlung wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Ever heard of RIBFIR? This is a very, very silly fandom.

Please dont start that one up here

I don't need to. You guys are already scrapping over the colour of Scavenger or Demolishor or whatever.

Scatterlung wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Scatterlung wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Ever heard of RIBFIR? This is a very, very silly fandom.

Please dont start that one up here

I don't need to. You guys are already scrapping over the colour of Scavenger or Demolishor or whatever.

Thats kind of my point.

Scatterlung wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:There was another thread similar to this one a few months ago concerning the color of Devastator's face. Wow.

Ever heard of RIBFIR? This is a very, very silly fandom.

Yep. That is way silly.

hellkitty wrote:Question about Grindor/Blackout:

I THOUGHT (So please correct gently and don't slap me) that the difference between the two IS a toy color difference. BUT I also thought that though both Blackout and Grindor are Sikorskies, they were different models. The toys are both Pave Lows, but I thought Grindor was not a Pave Low, and have different armaments (as in, not the .50 on the chest) than Blackout.

MInd you I don't have a copy of ROTF yet, so maybe someone who has it could check that? Gently? So we don't get into a mean argument? Again? Pretty please?

HK, peace and harmony, people...

tfwiki says Grindor is a CH-53E Super Stallion, and Blackout is an MH-35JPave Low III.

They're both based off of Sikorsky's S-65, but the CH-53 is bigger and heavier, with three engines to the MH-53's two. CH-53s are painted FS-36375 Light Ghost Gray overall, with the upper surfaces being painted FS-35237 Dark Blue Gray. MH-53s, like pretty much everything else in the USAF, are painted FS36118 Gunship Gray overall. Either copter can be equipped with up to three 7.62mm or .50cal machine guns (not that that matters much when they transform). Also, the Pave Low was retired last year, with some of it's duties going to the CV-22 Osprey.

Dang. Thank you. That is interesting information.

Eh, I have to believe that Grindor is a separate character than Blackout and that Bonecrusher we briefly see is just another clone thrown in for the sake of the fanbase(see the Star Wars series for gratuitous cameos).

There's really no indication that Blackout/Bonecrusher/Brawl were buried next to Megatron in the sea at the end of the 1st movie. From a strategic standpoint, would you rather bury all these deactivated robots in the same place or would you rather space them out all around the world in the event their buddies come looking for them?

Look at how long it took for Soundwave to locate Megatron....unless the other Decepticons were buried with him, I doubt the Decepticons would go through the trouble of looking to revive a mere foot soldier like, say, Bonecrusher.

Considering how many generic protoforms the Decepticons were developing, to go through the trouble of locating and reviving the others would seem to involve a great deal of effort.

When Megatron is revived, new parts were needed. To revive the trio killed in the 1st movie would require the same. There is no indication of Blackout or Bonecrusher even being buried near Megatron and truly no indication of any other character besides Megatron being revived. We never even know what happens to the pieces of AllSpark that revive both Megatron and Jetfire; are they ever retrieved?

And to top it off, if Blackout and Bonecrusher were revived, then why now Brawl, who we never see?

No Death for Prowl wrote:Eh, I have to believe that Grindor is a separate character than Blackout and that Bonecrusher we briefly see is just another clone thrown in for the sake of the fanbase(see the Star Wars series for gratuitous cameos).

There's really no indication that Blackout/Bonecrusher/Brawl were buried next to Megatron in the sea at the end of the 1st movie. From a strategic standpoint, would you rather bury all these deactivated robots in the same place or would you rather space them out all around the world in the event their buddies come looking for them?

Look at how long it took for Soundwave to locate Megatron....unless the other Decepticons were buried with him, I doubt the Decepticons would go through the trouble of looking to revive a mere foot soldier like, say, Bonecrusher.

Considering how many generic protoforms the Decepticons were developing, to go through the trouble of locating and reviving the others would seem to involve a great deal of effort.

When Megatron is revived, new parts were needed. To revive the trio killed in the 1st movie would require the same. There is no indication of Blackout or Bonecrusher even being buried near Megatron and truly no indication of any other character besides Megatron being revived. We never even know what happens to the pieces of AllSpark that revive both Megatron and Jetfire; are they ever retrieved?

And to top it off, if Blackout and Bonecrusher were revived, then why now Brawl, who we never see?

Keller(was that his name?) said something along the lines of "we'll dispose the remains of the dead alien robots in the Laurentian Abyss" He said robots plural, and we see parts of Blackout on the ship. Brawl took more damage than all the other Decepticons combined. There wasn't much to salvage.

No Death for Prowl wrote:There's really no indication that Blackout/Bonecrusher/Brawl were buried next to Megatron in the sea at the end of the 1st movie. From a strategic standpoint, would you rather bury all these deactivated robots in the same place or would you rather space them out all around the world in the event their buddies come looking for them?

Actually, what are quite obviously Blackout's remains shown on the ship as they dump Meg's corpse:

Also, the Laurentian abyss is a big place, and even if they dumped all the 'Cons at the same time, they'd be miles apart by the time they hit the bottom. That said, Blackout, Brawl and Bonecrusher are dead; Megatron was the only one they tried to revive. Cannon fodder are plentiful, leaders like Megs are hard to find.

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I think you'll find economics at the heart of the alt-mode reuse issue. As far as the CGI it's a lot cheaper to reskin old renders than to do new ones. Also, a lot of defense contractors are charging licensing now, so it's better to keep using stuff you've already paid for.