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Autobot032 wrote:Jesterhead wrote:Autobot032 wrote:It's certainly not something to get joy out of. It's not a selling point, or at least it shouldn't be.
I get joy out of media that invokes strong emotions. Whether they are happy, sad, disgusted etc...
The dead child isn't what makes me excited about this game. It's the gritty and disturbing feel of the trailer. The dead child is just a (vivid) delivery method to get us connected to the media, to make us feel emotions. Obviously, it does a good job. The trailer was indeed very gut wretching.
I can't speak for anyone else, but generally, when I read a book, watch a movie, or play a video game, I like to experience situations which I wouldn't in real life.
Oh, I understand that. I get that point. I love escapist entertainment. But you didn't say the dead girl was what sold you on it, Sly more or less did. And there are plenty out there who would find that to be a selling point.
It's those people that do tend to be scary.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Cyber Bishop wrote:I am a HUGE zombie fan, games, movies, whatever so when I saw this article about this game I was stoked for the possibility of a good zombie game. After seeing the incredible trailer (very emotional for a videogame) I want to pick this game up.
lostinwebspace wrote:
(I'm also not sure I get the argument people use in movies about dead children or babies: "It's not real so stop whining." It's made to look as real as possible, but they blame me for having it evoke real emotions. I get that zombies killing kids isn't real, but kids dying is, so give me a break if infant fictional death makes me squirm. I can't watch AvP2 for that very reason. I wanted to walk out when I saw it.)
SlyTF1 wrote:lostinwebspace wrote:
(I'm also not sure I get the argument people use in movies about dead children or babies: "It's not real so stop whining." It's made to look as real as possible, but they blame me for having it evoke real emotions. I get that zombies killing kids isn't real, but kids dying is, so give me a break if infant fictional death makes me squirm. I can't watch AvP2 for that very reason. I wanted to walk out when I saw it.)
What I want to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
SlyTF1 wrote:Isn't the German government trying to make real zombies?
SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
SlyTF1 wrote:EXACTLY! That's the reason I play video games or watch a movie. To see or do things I can't do or wouldn't do in real life. It's an experiece.
lostinwebspace wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
This is all conjecture, but I have a feeling it's true. It also might be TLDNR, but if you're involved in the conversation, you might want to.![]()
1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
2b. Culpability. A child has done no wrong (or at least wrong they can understand). Adults have had plenty of opportunity to be douche bags and, as anyone can attest, no one is perfect. When in fiction, in our minds, even if the good far outweighs the bad, something in the backs of our minds says that it's okay for this or that adult to die. (Not so in real life, but we rarely see death firsthand in real life, so don't have a chance to think about it until after the fact.)
3. Opportunity. Children haven't lived full lives and haven't been given the chances that adults have.
[/quote]5. Coping mechanisms. Children can't cope with danger, injury, mutilation, fear, or sadness like an adult. They just don't have the mental or physical faculties to do it. To them, anything outside of a strict norm is the equivalent of an adult living in an MC Escher insane asylum where the inmates have overrun the city. Children just can't know. Any change outside an incredibly minuscule norm has them going out of their minds. And danger is outside of that norm. Any danger. Even a loud sound.
SlyTF1 wrote:lostinwebspace wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
This is all conjecture, but I have a feeling it's true. It also might be TLDNR, but if you're involved in the conversation, you might want to.![]()
1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought. But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.2b. Culpability. A child has done no wrong (or at least wrong they can understand). Adults have had plenty of opportunity to be douche bags and, as anyone can attest, no one is perfect. When in fiction, in our minds, even if the good far outweighs the bad, something in the backs of our minds says that it's okay for this or that adult to die. (Not so in real life, but we rarely see death firsthand in real life, so don't have a chance to think about it until after the fact.)
3. Opportunity. Children haven't lived full lives and haven't been given the chances that adults have.
IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.5. Coping mechanisms. Children can't cope with danger, injury, mutilation, fear, or sadness like an adult. They just don't have the mental or physical faculties to do it. To them, anything outside of a strict norm is the equivalent of an adult living in an MC Escher insane asylum where the inmates have overrun the city. Children just can't know. Any change outside an incredibly minuscule norm has them going out of their minds. And danger is outside of that norm. Any danger. Even a loud sound.
SlyTF1 wrote:This is probrobly the problem that I'm having. Kids at my school joke all the time about killing children, but no one ever takes it seriously. Maybe it is our young minds that block out feeling for others. We don't care about anything but ourselves. We can kill a thousand people, and feel no regret, we can see it and think nothing of it. But that's what I think you're saying. We are human nature. We haven't been tought the things of society, so this makes us ignorant to everything society says. Children are the living embodyment of human nature, and I just recognised this. We don't listen to society, so we act on impulse. We still have much to learn; but who says society is a good thing though? What if it's the right thing to rebel against society and follow our natural instinct? What if society tells us the opposite of what reality is supposed to be? What if we have all lived past our expiration date? What if society is the reason humanity still thrives on this earth today? I guess society is a good thing, now. Because if it wasn't there we would all be dead. But what if we are throwing off the balance of the universe by staying alive for so long? Is society throwing off the balance of reality, or is it helping it move along? That's the question I'm gonna be asking myself forever. And I JUST noticed this.
Here I go reading too much into things. I have the mind of a theorist, I guess.
Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:lostinwebspace wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
This is all conjecture, but I have a feeling it's true. It also might be TLDNR, but if you're involved in the conversation, you might want to.![]()
1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought. But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.2b. Culpability. A child has done no wrong (or at least wrong they can understand). Adults have had plenty of opportunity to be douche bags and, as anyone can attest, no one is perfect. When in fiction, in our minds, even if the good far outweighs the bad, something in the backs of our minds says that it's okay for this or that adult to die. (Not so in real life, but we rarely see death firsthand in real life, so don't have a chance to think about it until after the fact.)
3. Opportunity. Children haven't lived full lives and haven't been given the chances that adults have.
IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.5. Coping mechanisms. Children can't cope with danger, injury, mutilation, fear, or sadness like an adult. They just don't have the mental or physical faculties to do it. To them, anything outside of a strict norm is the equivalent of an adult living in an MC Escher insane asylum where the inmates have overrun the city. Children just can't know. Any change outside an incredibly minuscule norm has them going out of their minds. And danger is outside of that norm. Any danger. Even a loud sound.SlyTF1 wrote:This is probrobly the problem that I'm having. Kids at my school joke all the time about killing children, but no one ever takes it seriously. Maybe it is our young minds that block out feeling for others. We don't care about anything but ourselves. We can kill a thousand people, and feel no regret, we can see it and think nothing of it. But that's what I think you're saying. We are human nature. We haven't been tought the things of society, so this makes us ignorant to everything society says. Children are the living embodyment of human nature, and I just recognised this. We don't listen to society, so we act on impulse. We still have much to learn; but who says society is a good thing though? What if it's the right thing to rebel against society and follow our natural instinct? What if society tells us the opposite of what reality is supposed to be? What if we have all lived past our expiration date? What if society is the reason humanity still thrives on this earth today? I guess society is a good thing, now. Because if it wasn't there we would all be dead. But what if we are throwing off the balance of the universe by staying alive for so long? Is society throwing off the balance of reality, or is it helping it move along? That's the question I'm gonna be asking myself forever. And I JUST noticed this.
Here I go reading too much into things. I have the mind of a theorist, I guess.
Wow.
1.) You *are* thinking far too deeply on this. There is a philosophy forum, in case you want to get the rest of this out of your head. Your mind must run a mile a minute. Ritalin, anyone?
2.) No one is innocent? Not even a child? Even a young one? Disturbing. Very disturbing.
3.) An adult life is more important than a child's because of more time spent? Children haven't the time to make an impact? Children have no regrets? Firstly: WTF? Secondly: Disturbing.
Ask anyone who is a parent, just how much of an impact their child made on their lives.
Ask any parent who lost a child, just how important their child's life was.
Children have no regrets? Then what does their conscience do? If a child is raised right and they have a conscience, then yes...they do have regrets. They also learn from them.
Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
SlyTF1 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:lostinwebspace wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
This is all conjecture, but I have a feeling it's true. It also might be TLDNR, but if you're involved in the conversation, you might want to.![]()
1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought. But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.2b. Culpability. A child has done no wrong (or at least wrong they can understand). Adults have had plenty of opportunity to be douche bags and, as anyone can attest, no one is perfect. When in fiction, in our minds, even if the good far outweighs the bad, something in the backs of our minds says that it's okay for this or that adult to die. (Not so in real life, but we rarely see death firsthand in real life, so don't have a chance to think about it until after the fact.)
3. Opportunity. Children haven't lived full lives and haven't been given the chances that adults have.
IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.5. Coping mechanisms. Children can't cope with danger, injury, mutilation, fear, or sadness like an adult. They just don't have the mental or physical faculties to do it. To them, anything outside of a strict norm is the equivalent of an adult living in an MC Escher insane asylum where the inmates have overrun the city. Children just can't know. Any change outside an incredibly minuscule norm has them going out of their minds. And danger is outside of that norm. Any danger. Even a loud sound.SlyTF1 wrote:This is probrobly the problem that I'm having. Kids at my school joke all the time about killing children, but no one ever takes it seriously. Maybe it is our young minds that block out feeling for others. We don't care about anything but ourselves. We can kill a thousand people, and feel no regret, we can see it and think nothing of it. But that's what I think you're saying. We are human nature. We haven't been tought the things of society, so this makes us ignorant to everything society says. Children are the living embodyment of human nature, and I just recognised this. We don't listen to society, so we act on impulse. We still have much to learn; but who says society is a good thing though? What if it's the right thing to rebel against society and follow our natural instinct? What if society tells us the opposite of what reality is supposed to be? What if we have all lived past our expiration date? What if society is the reason humanity still thrives on this earth today? I guess society is a good thing, now. Because if it wasn't there we would all be dead. But what if we are throwing off the balance of the universe by staying alive for so long? Is society throwing off the balance of reality, or is it helping it move along? That's the question I'm gonna be asking myself forever. And I JUST noticed this.
Here I go reading too much into things. I have the mind of a theorist, I guess.
Wow.
1.) You *are* thinking far too deeply on this. There is a philosophy forum, in case you want to get the rest of this out of your head. Your mind must run a mile a minute. Ritalin, anyone?
2.) No one is innocent? Not even a child? Even a young one? Disturbing. Very disturbing.
3.) An adult life is more important than a child's because of more time spent? Children haven't the time to make an impact? Children have no regrets? Firstly: WTF? Secondly: Disturbing.
Ask anyone who is a parent, just how much of an impact their child made on their lives.
Ask any parent who lost a child, just how important their child's life was.
Children have no regrets? Then what does their conscience do? If a child is raised right and they have a conscience, then yes...they do have regrets. They also learn from them.
Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
It's like I said: I'm a kid, and our thinking is human nature. I haven't had society effect me yet, so I am embracing the humane side of things. I'm pretty sure in the next 2 years, (When I turn 18 and move out into the real world, when I have to enter society.) I'll learn to value the life of a child. Until then, I think every human being (including children) are as corrupt and deserving of judgement as anyone else.
SlyTF1 wrote:That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought.
SlyTF1 wrote:But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.
SlyTF1 wrote:No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.
SlyTF1 wrote:IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.
Autobot032 wrote:Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:lostinwebspace wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:to know is: What's the difference between a dead child and a dead grown up? I just don't get what's so different. They're all people, so what difference does it make?
This is all conjecture, but I have a feeling it's true. It also might be TLDNR, but if you're involved in the conversation, you might want to.![]()
1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought. But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.2b. Culpability. A child has done no wrong (or at least wrong they can understand). Adults have had plenty of opportunity to be douche bags and, as anyone can attest, no one is perfect. When in fiction, in our minds, even if the good far outweighs the bad, something in the backs of our minds says that it's okay for this or that adult to die. (Not so in real life, but we rarely see death firsthand in real life, so don't have a chance to think about it until after the fact.)
3. Opportunity. Children haven't lived full lives and haven't been given the chances that adults have.
IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.5. Coping mechanisms. Children can't cope with danger, injury, mutilation, fear, or sadness like an adult. They just don't have the mental or physical faculties to do it. To them, anything outside of a strict norm is the equivalent of an adult living in an MC Escher insane asylum where the inmates have overrun the city. Children just can't know. Any change outside an incredibly minuscule norm has them going out of their minds. And danger is outside of that norm. Any danger. Even a loud sound.SlyTF1 wrote:This is probrobly the problem that I'm having. Kids at my school joke all the time about killing children, but no one ever takes it seriously. Maybe it is our young minds that block out feeling for others. We don't care about anything but ourselves. We can kill a thousand people, and feel no regret, we can see it and think nothing of it. But that's what I think you're saying. We are human nature. We haven't been tought the things of society, so this makes us ignorant to everything society says. Children are the living embodyment of human nature, and I just recognised this. We don't listen to society, so we act on impulse. We still have much to learn; but who says society is a good thing though? What if it's the right thing to rebel against society and follow our natural instinct? What if society tells us the opposite of what reality is supposed to be? What if we have all lived past our expiration date? What if society is the reason humanity still thrives on this earth today? I guess society is a good thing, now. Because if it wasn't there we would all be dead. But what if we are throwing off the balance of the universe by staying alive for so long? Is society throwing off the balance of reality, or is it helping it move along? That's the question I'm gonna be asking myself forever. And I JUST noticed this.
Here I go reading too much into things. I have the mind of a theorist, I guess.
Wow.
1.) You *are* thinking far too deeply on this. There is a philosophy forum, in case you want to get the rest of this out of your head. Your mind must run a mile a minute. Ritalin, anyone?
2.) No one is innocent? Not even a child? Even a young one? Disturbing. Very disturbing.
3.) An adult life is more important than a child's because of more time spent? Children haven't the time to make an impact? Children have no regrets? Firstly: WTF? Secondly: Disturbing.
Ask anyone who is a parent, just how much of an impact their child made on their lives.
Ask any parent who lost a child, just how important their child's life was.
Children have no regrets? Then what does their conscience do? If a child is raised right and they have a conscience, then yes...they do have regrets. They also learn from them.
Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
It's like I said: I'm a kid, and our thinking is human nature. I haven't had society effect me yet, so I am embracing the humane side of things. I'm pretty sure in the next 2 years, (When I turn 18 and move out into the real world, when I have to enter society.) I'll learn to value the life of a child. Until then, I think every human being (including children) are as corrupt and deserving of judgement as anyone else.
I'm serious here, I think you might need to seek out a kind therapist. If you hate humanity this much now, growing up without guidance and heading out into the real world with this train of thought is just going to lead to a downward spiral.
If you can't see the value of human life and think no one's innocent, then you strike me as being potentially dangerous. And poo pooing it away with "it hasn't affected me yet" isn't helping matters.
Seriously, I'm not making fun here, I'm genuinely concerned. I don't know if this is all you, or someone instilled this silliness in you, but it's not right. Human life is precious and does have value, no matter the age. And yes, there are innocents. Of every age.
I remember being a teenager. I remember being selfish. I don't remember this. Today's generation scares the **** out of me, because they're the future.
We're screwed.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought.
That's because we were uncivilized animals. Anything we did during humanity's early days is NOT something we should be doing now.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.
"Humane" is treating living beings with respect and compassion. If you consider killing to be humane, then you seriously, seriously need to seek mental help. Sure, things like euthanasia can be considered humane--that's a discussion for another day, though--but not the kind of death we're discussing.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.
Your opinion is wrong. And i actually get to say that because, hey, it's true.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.
That is the most twisted way of thinking I have ever seen. I'm not even joking, you really do need help.
Shadowman wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
Me too. I don't suppose there's a way we could bring these posts to his parents' attention?
SlyTF1 wrote:That's what I mean! It IS this generation! Everyone my age pretty much thinks the same way. I've heard people talk.
Jesterhead wrote:Doesn't anyone else think that Sly is trollin' a bit here?
Honestly, I can't even take what he is saying seriously anymore. He's clearly making up some sort of 'badass' persona he wants us to view him as, and giving the most obvious answers, to see reactions. Sly, you're not impressing anyone...
I'd suggest stop trolling, or, if you really feel this way: take a reality check, and grow the hell up.
Autobot032 wrote:Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought.
That's because we were uncivilized animals. Anything we did during humanity's early days is NOT something we should be doing now.
Excellent point. I missed that by a mile.Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.
"Humane" is treating living beings with respect and compassion. If you consider killing to be humane, then you seriously, seriously need to seek mental help. Sure, things like euthanasia can be considered humane--that's a discussion for another day, though--but not the kind of death we're discussing.
O_o...I completely missed this part. I was so flustered that it didn't even register.Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.
Your opinion is wrong. And i actually get to say that because, hey, it's true.
It's oh so rare, but moments like these do exist, and I'm glad I got to bear witness to it.Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:IMO, this makes me feel even worse if an adult dies. It's like a whole life time gone to waste. And with a child, they really didn't have time to make an impact. They don't have anything to regret.
That is the most twisted way of thinking I have ever seen. I'm not even joking, you really do need help.
It does actually scare me. And I want Sly and others reading this, that it's not my intention to gang up on or dogpile Sly. I'm genuinely concerned for him.Shadowman wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Normally, I find your posts to be fun, and somewhat agreeable, especially when it comes to ROTF, but lately, and especially here, I'm becoming worried.
Me too. I don't suppose there's a way we could bring these posts to his parents' attention?
If it would help, that would be great, but I'm wondering if they're part of the problem and not the solution?SlyTF1 wrote:That's what I mean! It IS this generation! Everyone my age pretty much thinks the same way. I've heard people talk.
Then parenting and our education system truly have failed you. All of you.
Jesterhead wrote:Doesn't anyone else think that Sly is trollin' a bit here?
Honestly, I can't even take what he is saying seriously anymore. He's clearly making up some sort of 'badass' persona he wants us to view him as, and giving the most obvious answers, to see reactions. Sly, you're not impressing anyone...
I'd suggest stop trolling, or, if you really feel this way: take a reality check, and grow the hell up.
SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not trolling. This is what I think.
SlyTF1 wrote:Maybe it is the education system. Because last year we read a book in school where the whole point was to say that not even children are innocent and that everyone deserves to die...maybe that's what it is. I'm not making this up either. The whole book was about kids killing each other.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Jesterhead wrote:Doesn't anyone else think that Sly is trollin' a bit here?
Honestly, I can't even take what he is saying seriously anymore. He's clearly making up some sort of 'badass' persona he wants us to view him as, and giving the most obvious answers, to see reactions. Sly, you're not impressing anyone...
I'd suggest stop trolling, or, if you really feel this way: take a reality check, and grow the hell up.
I don't think that it's a "badass" persona. I think it's a "deranged little kid" persona.
SlyTF1 wrote:I'm just kidding you guys. I didn't say anything earlier because I wanted to see how everyone would react. I love how easily you can off set the balance of humanity by one post!
Jesterhead wrote:Shadowman wrote:Jesterhead wrote:Doesn't anyone else think that Sly is trollin' a bit here?
Honestly, I can't even take what he is saying seriously anymore. He's clearly making up some sort of 'badass' persona he wants us to view him as, and giving the most obvious answers, to see reactions. Sly, you're not impressing anyone...
I'd suggest stop trolling, or, if you really feel this way: take a reality check, and grow the hell up.
I don't think that it's a "badass" persona. I think it's a "deranged little kid" persona.
Oh God, me either.
But maybe 'badass' is what he thinks?
Also Sly, why should I believe you when you said this in a (un-)surprisingly similar thread a few weeks ago when you decided to hate everything about censorship of Bulletstorm?SlyTF1 wrote:I'm just kidding you guys. I didn't say anything earlier because I wanted to see how everyone would react. I love how easily you can off set the balance of humanity by one post!
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Maybe it is the education system. Because last year we read a book in school where the whole point was to say that not even children are innocent and that everyone deserves to die...maybe that's what it is. I'm not making this up either. The whole book was about kids killing each other.
What book was that? Because I'm willing to bet you got the message entirely wrong.
SlyTF1 wrote:1. Societal norms. I don't know when in history it started, but society has placed a great importance on children lives, something in our minds to make us respect more the value of a child's life than an adult's. I don't think this needs anything to back it up; this point is pretty much common knowledge. Just like yelling at a bystander for no reason is a no-no, so is allowing a child to be harmed or watching it happen more so than an adult. It's expected that we save a child before an adult (women and children first). And why? Society says so.
That's the problem I have with everything. It's society saying these things. Society controls you and they make you believe lies. Violence is human nature. When humanity first began, people killed each other on the daily basis without a second thought. But now society made death seam like this horrible inhumane thing, when in reality it is the most humane thing you can possibly do. It's the definition of humane, not that it's right, but it's the definition of humane, because it's human nature.
SlyTF1 wrote:2a. Innocence. Not so much as an antonym of guilt (but I'll get to that), but more so about how much life they've lived. Notice that we feel less about deaths in movies the less innocent--or life experienced--we perceive a character. (This is why the older a character, the less we care.) The more they know and are capable of coping or understanding (see point #5), the less we care. We couldn't care less about Damien's death in the Omen. He's a kid, but he knows exactly what's doing since he's Satan's child. Same with the punk kids in Mimic. We think of them as expendable because they get what's going on; they're street punks even though they're probably ten, so we almost cheer when they die.
No one in innocent. That's just my opinion though.
SlyTF1 wrote:This is probrobly the problem that I'm having. Kids at my school joke all the time about killing children, but no one ever takes it seriously.
SlyTF1 wrote:We can kill a thousand people, and feel no regret, we can see it and think nothing of it.
SlyTF1 wrote:Is society throwing off the balance of reality, or is it helping it move along? That's the question I'm gonna be asking myself forever. And I JUST noticed this.
Autobot032 wrote:Ask anyone who is a parent, just how much of an impact their child made on their lives.
lostinwebspace wrote:To address something else, you say you have a problem with society dictating your social norms. I have to ask: do you have a problem leaving the house without bathing, using the word "irregardless," wearing out-of-style or ludicrous clothing, urinating on a sidewalk, or ending a sentence in a preposition? Then society controls you. And these are just the tiny, inconsequential things. There are certain things that society says are wrong just because society says, and everyone follows that.
lostinwebspace wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Ask anyone who is a parent, just how much of an impact their child made on their lives.
If I lost one of my children, it would wreck me. My emotions would be bulldozed. Life would never be enjoyable to the same level again.
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