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Maybe the box-profile was intended to keep the surprise secret. People were lead to believe these 2 are the new leaders. Then suddenly, a new twist in the movie.

heroic_decepticon wrote:Maybe UM was meant to be the new leader after all? Or was this more misinformation?

Marvel UK #79


A page in Marvel UK #81


The red box at top, first sentance says: 'The biggest event to occur in recent Transformers history is the introduction of Ultra Magnus and Galvatron- the new leaders'.

I would say thats it is a case of more misinformation.If you read the rest of the info on that page it tells you about the upcoming [at least back then] Target 2006 story arc and in that story he was only a leader of a small group....and that story was written to fit inbetween the events of the movie and 1986 with Galvatron traveling back into the past right after he was upgraded from Megatron.

This meens that both the writters of Target 2006 and the writters of that profile you posted were fully aware of the outcome of the movies store.

heroic_decepticon wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:I think that might have been the original plan.

Both UM and Galv were "City Commanders" on the toy packaging, right?

I think its possible, and wrote so a little earlier.

heroic_decepticon wrote:Ultra Magnus' toy package says: City Commander- Ultra Magnus
Galvatron's package says: City Commander- Galvatron
Rodimus Prime's package says: Autobot Protector- Rodimus Prime

From this, I think it reasonable to draw the conclusion that the new leaders were planned to be Ultra Magnus and Galvatron; with Rodimus Prime being a souped up more powerful Hot rod perhaps, some sort of vigilante 'protector'.

But there has been some debate about that point so i thought of bringing up this 'new' discovery I made when reading Target 2006... heh.

Not sure what the others would think.

Even if it were one of the original plans [which I believe it was] there's no way that it could have a bearing on the comics stories and the toy commercials.

Both the commercials and the Target 2006 were written after the movies script was finished and the movie all but completed.The writters of both were fully aware of the events of the end of the movie and already knew who the new leaders were.

Deadpool. wrote:And in Target:2006, Galvatron & Cyclonus seemed more concerned about Ultra Magnus' interference.

Rodimus wasn't even mentioned at all.

heroic_decepticon wrote:Yup. Exactly right. Because at that point in time UM was effectively the 'new' Autobot leader and Roddy didn't even figure into the equation, which relates to some debate earlier over who was initially supposed to be the new leader after Optimus.

Why would Rodimus Prime be mentioned at all by Galvatron in Target 2006 anyway?????

Rodimus did not exsist yet in Galvatrons timeline.Galvatron time jumped to the past sometime after he destroyed Starscream [I dont remember just how long] and before Rodimus was born.

In Target: 2006, Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge travel back in time from a point during the events of the movie.Wanting to be free of Unicron's control, Galvatron knocks out the present-day Megatron and had the Constructicons build a hudge laser gun, that could kill Unicron when used in the future.

The Autobots also sent Kup, Blurr and Hot Rod [Not Rodimus Prime yet] to the past to stop Galvatron and they were helped by the present-day Ultra Magnus to destroy the lasor gun by tricking Galvatron into thinking that he killed Starscream in the bast and convince him that he had actually travelled back in time to a parallel dimension and not his own past [Because how could he, Galvatron, still exsist with out Starscream] forcing him to return to the future.

Galvatron did, living out the rest of the events of The Transformers: The Movie.But after being hurled out of Unicron by Rodimus Prime, Galvatron used his time-jump mechanism again, hurling himself back to 1986, where the Fallen Angel story arc began.

So Galvatron would not have been conserend with anybody else but Ultra Magnus because from his prespective and his time frame Ultra Magnus was still going to be the Leader after killing Optimus.

Galvatron had not yet had the confratation with Hot Rod inside of Unicron that would have lead to the upgrade of Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime.

And the writters of Target 2006 were very carful not to write anything that would contradict the story in the movie which proves that they were fully aware of the events in the movie and just who the new leaders would really be.

admit your denial, and you know that Rodimus is the Only one the True Leader of the Autobots,

The Magnus Theory just shows your lack of logical brain functioning....

Just look at Head masters episode where optimus dies yet again, but leaves Rodimus in Full Confidence to Led the Autobots,

Also in that same episode you will see that the Matrix Accepts Rodimus As the True Leader, and the one who restores the Power Within,

Also Look At Season 3 of The G1 Series Episode Return of Optimus Prime, When Optimus Prime is brought Back to life, And is asked by his troops "whats the plan?" he has no **** clue without the Matrix, His wisdom is gone, this is just a little thought there for you guys,

I will also reference, Season Three - The Burden Hardest To Bear,

When the pathetic writers of the show, Show Rodimus take off, as teh Pressure of leading Bugs Him (lame really lame),
Kup mentions that he is strugling to accept the burden of the Matrix, He also mentions that Optimus Prime too! Had the same difficulties when he Got the Matrix, and over time he had to learn to live with it!!!

So seeing as too many short sighted people out there, too quick to judge people, Can't see the fact that Rodimus was just begining, and did'nt have a Chance, Because People Like YOU and The Pathetic Makers of Post 1986 Movie Transformers cartoons ie season 3, Just cant let go of Optimus Prime,

Give me a Break, Rodimus was Just as Great and Who knows could have exceeded Optimus In many ways,

We all know that everone would have been **** up big Time if the Chosen One (RODIMUS) Hadn't open the Matrix and Destroyed Unicron, something Optimus Did'nt and certainly the incompetant Magnus could'nt do.

Oh wait...let me guess Optimus Nver Got the Chance right....

Like i said before he had Millenias to get rid of the decepticons and Megatron, even the quintessons, Dont give me the Bullshit of blaming hotrod for trying to protect his leader...

Rodimus did more in season three, than Optimus in 2000 years, come on....

A little respect huh.

judge wrote:admit your denial, and you know that Rodimus is the Only one the True Leader of the Autobots,

The Magnus Theory just shows your lack of logical brain functioning....

He had potential but he never lived up to that potential in the G1 toon.Rodimus was written much better in the U.K. comics.

judge wrote:Just look at Head masters episode where optimus dies yet again, but leaves Rodimus in Full Confidence to Led the Autobots,

And later in the serries he up and leaves the Autobots to look for a new planet for them to live on after Cybertron was destroyed.Sounds to me like he was running away again.

judge wrote:Also in that same episode you will see that the Matrix Accepts Rodimus As the True Leader, and the one who restores the Power Within,

First it was the ghost of Alpha Trion that restored the Power Within the Matrix not Rodimus Prime.

Second in the Japaneses serries the Matrix is not some kind of "Mythical object" like it is for us.In the Japanese serries the Matrix is nothing more then a power boaster and as a matter of fact in the other serries that came after their G1 serries like Beast Wars 2 and Neo and the Car Robots show there was more then one Matrix.

judge wrote:Also Look At Season 3 of The G1 Series Episode Return of Optimus Prime, When Optimus Prime is brought Back to life, And is asked by his troops "whats the plan?" he has no **** clue without the Matrix, His wisdom is gone, this is just a little thought there for you guys,

And what kind of thoughts should we have now after your statement????

Your statement only proves 3 things:

[1] That there must have been more then one true inheritor of the Matrix's true power because how would Optimus be able to fully use all its power if he too were not a "chosen one"

[2] Rodimus Prime must have been "more" incompedent then we all thought because he had the key to fixing the problem with the hate spores plague all along in his cheast and he wasnt even smart enough to figure it out himself.

[3] Optimus with out the Matrix was still smart enough to know that he needed the Matrix to come up with a plan to stop the plague.Rodimus was a fool for not knowing that he had the answers all alonge.

judge wrote:I will also reference, Season Three - The Burden Hardest To Bear,

When the pathetic writers of the show, Show Rodimus take off, as teh Pressure of leading Bugs Him (lame really lame),
Kup mentions that he is strugling to accept the burden of the Matrix, He also mentions that Optimus Prime too! Had the same difficulties when he Got the Matrix, and over time he had to learn to live with it!!!

But again all you have done is proven our point.Optimus learned to live with the burden of the Matrix and leadership.All Rodimus ever did was run away from it.Even in the Japanese Headmaster show he ends up running away and never returns.

judge wrote:So seeing as too many short sighted people out there, too quick to judge people, Can't see the fact that Rodimus was just begining, and did'nt have a Chance, Because People Like YOU and The Pathetic Makers of Post 1986 Movie Transformers cartoons ie season 3, Just cant let go of Optimus Prime,

If it were only a case of " short sighted people" like us not being able to "let go of Optimus Prime" then how to you explaine how popular Rodimus Prime was to the fans of the U.K. G1 comics?????

Face it in the G1 toon he was a poorly written character,
there was no consistent writting for him one episode to the next.Thats why he is so disliked.

judge wrote:Give me a Break, Rodimus was Just as Great and Who knows could have exceeded Optimus In many ways,

He should have been just as great but he never lived up to his potential.Optimus did live up to his potential.

judge wrote:We all know that everone would have been **** up big Time if the Chosen One (RODIMUS) Hadn't open the Matrix and Destroyed Unicron, something Optimus Did'nt and certainly the incompetant Magnus could'nt do.

Oh wait...let me guess Optimus Nver Got the Chance right....

Are you saying that Optimus couldnt have done it if he were alive?????

I wont even get in to the fact that it was Optimus that used the Matrix to destroy Unicron in the comics [other then to just say that]. But Optimus did ues the Matrix's power to stop the "Hate Plague" and he had to be brought back to life to do it.

If Rodimus was so great why did'nt he do that????

judge wrote:Like i said before he had Millenias to get rid of the decepticons and Megatron, even the quintessons, Dont give me the Bullshit of blaming hotrod for trying to protect his leader...

Rodimus did more in season three, than Optimus in 2000 years, come on....

What did Rodimus really accomplish in his time as leader????The Decepticons, Quintessons and even Unicron were all still alive and a threat the whole time Rodimus was in command.

judge wrote:A little respect huh.

When he deserves it

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

judge wrote:admit your denial, and you know that Rodimus is the Only one the True Leader of the Autobots,

The Magnus Theory just shows your lack of logical brain functioning....

He had potential but he never lived up to that potential in the G1 toon.Rodimus was written much better in the U.K. comics.

judge wrote:Just look at Head masters episode where optimus dies yet again, but leaves Rodimus in Full Confidence to Led the Autobots,

And later in the serries he up and leaves the Autobots to look for a new planet for them to live on after Cybertron was destroyed.Sounds to me like he was running away again.

judge wrote:Also in that same episode you will see that the Matrix Accepts Rodimus As the True Leader, and the one who restores the Power Within,

First it was the ghost of Alpha Trion that restored the Power Within the Matrix not Rodimus Prime.

Second in the Japaneses serries the Matrix is not some kind of "Mythical object" like it is for us.In the Japanese serries the Matrix is nothing more then a power boaster and as a matter of fact in the other serries that came after their G1 serries like Beast Wars 2 and Neo and the Car Robots show there was more then one Matrix.

judge wrote:Also Look At Season 3 of The G1 Series Episode Return of Optimus Prime, When Optimus Prime is brought Back to life, And is asked by his troops "whats the plan?" he has no **** clue without the Matrix, His wisdom is gone, this is just a little thought there for you guys,

And what kind of thoughts should we have now after your statement????

Your statement only proves 3 things:

[1] That there must have been more then one true inheritor of the Matrix's true power because how would Optimus be able to fully use all its power if he too were not a "chosen one"

[2] Rodimus Prime must have been "more" incompedent then we all thought because he had the key to fixing the problem with the hate spores plague all along in his cheast and he wasnt even smart enough to figure it out himself.

[3] Optimus with out the Matrix was still smart enough to know that he needed the Matrix to come up with a plan to stop the plague.Rodimus was a fool for not knowing that he had the answers all alonge.

judge wrote:I will also reference, Season Three - The Burden Hardest To Bear,

When the pathetic writers of the show, Show Rodimus take off, as teh Pressure of leading Bugs Him (lame really lame),
Kup mentions that he is strugling to accept the burden of the Matrix, He also mentions that Optimus Prime too! Had the same difficulties when he Got the Matrix, and over time he had to learn to live with it!!!

But again all you have done is proven our point.Optimus learned to live with the burden of the Matrix and leadership.All Rodimus ever did was run away from it.Even in the Japanese Headmaster show he ends up running away and never returns.

judge wrote:So seeing as too many short sighted people out there, too quick to judge people, Can't see the fact that Rodimus was just begining, and did'nt have a Chance, Because People Like YOU and The Pathetic Makers of Post 1986 Movie Transformers cartoons ie season 3, Just cant let go of Optimus Prime,

If it were only a case of " short sighted people" like us not being able to "let go of Optimus Prime" then how to you explaine how popular Rodimus Prime was to the fans of the U.K. G1 comics?????

Face it in the G1 toon he was a poorly written character,
there was no consistent writting for him one episode to the next.Thats why he is so disliked.

judge wrote:Give me a Break, Rodimus was Just as Great and Who knows could have exceeded Optimus In many ways,

He should have been just as great but he never lived up to his potential.Optimus did live up to his potential.

judge wrote:We all know that everone would have been **** up big Time if the Chosen One (RODIMUS) Hadn't open the Matrix and Destroyed Unicron, something Optimus Did'nt and certainly the incompetant Magnus could'nt do.

Oh wait...let me guess Optimus Nver Got the Chance right....

Are you saying that Optimus couldnt have done it if he were alive?????

I wont even get in to the fact that it was Optimus that used the Matrix to destroy Unicron in the comics [other then to just say that]. But Optimus did ues the Matrix's power to stop the "Hate Plague" and he had to be brought back to life to do it.

If Rodimus was so great why did'nt he do that????

judge wrote:Like i said before he had Millenias to get rid of the decepticons and Megatron, even the quintessons, Dont give me the Bullshit of blaming hotrod for trying to protect his leader...

Rodimus did more in season three, than Optimus in 2000 years, come on....

What did Rodimus really accomplish in his time as leader????The Decepticons, Quintessons and even Unicron were all still alive and a threat the whole time Rodimus was in command.

judge wrote:A little respect huh.

When he deserves it

Well said Sto, well said.

bookofjunon wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

judge wrote:admit your denial, and you know that Rodimus is the Only one the True Leader of the Autobots,

The Magnus Theory just shows your lack of logical brain functioning....

He had potential but he never lived up to that potential in the G1 toon.Rodimus was written much better in the U.K. comics.

judge wrote:Just look at Head masters episode where optimus dies yet again, but leaves Rodimus in Full Confidence to Led the Autobots,

And later in the serries he up and leaves the Autobots to look for a new planet for them to live on after Cybertron was destroyed.Sounds to me like he was running away again.

judge wrote:Also in that same episode you will see that the Matrix Accepts Rodimus As the True Leader, and the one who restores the Power Within,

First it was the ghost of Alpha Trion that restored the Power Within the Matrix not Rodimus Prime.

Second in the Japaneses serries the Matrix is not some kind of "Mythical object" like it is for us.In the Japanese serries the Matrix is nothing more then a power boaster and as a matter of fact in the other serries that came after their G1 serries like Beast Wars 2 and Neo and the Car Robots show there was more then one Matrix.

judge wrote:Also Look At Season 3 of The G1 Series Episode Return of Optimus Prime, When Optimus Prime is brought Back to life, And is asked by his troops "whats the plan?" he has no **** clue without the Matrix, His wisdom is gone, this is just a little thought there for you guys,

And what kind of thoughts should we have now after your statement????

Your statement only proves 3 things:

[1] That there must have been more then one true inheritor of the Matrix's true power because how would Optimus be able to fully use all its power if he too were not a "chosen one"

[2] Rodimus Prime must have been "more" incompedent then we all thought because he had the key to fixing the problem with the hate spores plague all along in his cheast and he wasnt even smart enough to figure it out himself.

[3] Optimus with out the Matrix was still smart enough to know that he needed the Matrix to come up with a plan to stop the plague.Rodimus was a fool for not knowing that he had the answers all alonge.

judge wrote:I will also reference, Season Three - The Burden Hardest To Bear,

When the pathetic writers of the show, Show Rodimus take off, as teh Pressure of leading Bugs Him (lame really lame),
Kup mentions that he is strugling to accept the burden of the Matrix, He also mentions that Optimus Prime too! Had the same difficulties when he Got the Matrix, and over time he had to learn to live with it!!!

But again all you have done is proven our point.Optimus learned to live with the burden of the Matrix and leadership.All Rodimus ever did was run away from it.Even in the Japanese Headmaster show he ends up running away and never returns.

judge wrote:So seeing as too many short sighted people out there, too quick to judge people, Can't see the fact that Rodimus was just begining, and did'nt have a Chance, Because People Like YOU and The Pathetic Makers of Post 1986 Movie Transformers cartoons ie season 3, Just cant let go of Optimus Prime,

If it were only a case of " short sighted people" like us not being able to "let go of Optimus Prime" then how to you explaine how popular Rodimus Prime was to the fans of the U.K. G1 comics?????

Face it in the G1 toon he was a poorly written character,
there was no consistent writting for him one episode to the next.Thats why he is so disliked.

judge wrote:Give me a Break, Rodimus was Just as Great and Who knows could have exceeded Optimus In many ways,

He should have been just as great but he never lived up to his potential.Optimus did live up to his potential.

judge wrote:We all know that everone would have been **** up big Time if the Chosen One (RODIMUS) Hadn't open the Matrix and Destroyed Unicron, something Optimus Did'nt and certainly the incompetant Magnus could'nt do.

Oh wait...let me guess Optimus Nver Got the Chance right....

Are you saying that Optimus couldnt have done it if he were alive?????

I wont even get in to the fact that it was Optimus that used the Matrix to destroy Unicron in the comics [other then to just say that]. But Optimus did ues the Matrix's power to stop the "Hate Plague" and he had to be brought back to life to do it.

If Rodimus was so great why did'nt he do that????

judge wrote:Like i said before he had Millenias to get rid of the decepticons and Megatron, even the quintessons, Dont give me the Bullshit of blaming hotrod for trying to protect his leader...

Rodimus did more in season three, than Optimus in 2000 years, come on....

What did Rodimus really accomplish in his time as leader????The Decepticons, Quintessons and even Unicron were all still alive and a threat the whole time Rodimus was in command.

judge wrote:A little respect huh.

When he deserves it

Well said Sto, well said.

Thank you very much

Deadpool. wrote:Honestly, all the time-jumping was quite illogical.

If Galvatron met Megatron, knocked him out, and took over the Constructicons, wouldn't Galvatron have had memories of encountering himself back when he was still Megatron?

This is why I avoid time travel like the plague. It simply isn't feasible for a good story.

Judge, I'm not gonna beat around the bush here: **** up, and stop being such a fanboy. It's pretty freakin' tragic.

If Rodimus Prime got a better toy and alt mode, the higher power could have given him a better role, a better story.

It's the toy business that is the main driving force behind all this.

Auto Bot wrote:If Rodimus Prime got a better toy and alt mode, the higher power could have given him a better role, a better story.

It's the toy business that is the main driving force behind all this.

I dont think I can agree with that.Some of the more popular G1 characters had very basic toys with low power levels and somr of those character toys were as much as a brick as Rodimus was.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:If Rodimus Prime got a better toy and alt mode, the higher power could have given him a better role, a better story.

It's the toy business that is the main driving force behind all this.

I dont think I can agree with that.Some of the more popular G1 characters had very basic toys with low power levels and somr of those character toys were as much as a brick as Rodimus was.

I meant higher power, as in Hasbro executives.

The first batch of G1 toys is a different case. They are all what Hasbro got to start with. There was no way yet to tell how this new concept will survive. And the starting point are the toys. The characters and story were built on this initial batch of toys from Japan.

So the strategy was, to give some of the worse looking or simplistic toys the kind of important characterization in the cartoon, so that kids will buy them. Such as Ironhide, Ratchet, Gears, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Brawn, Insecticons, Seekers, and ultimately, Megatron.

Once the toyline has taken off, it's time to kill off these low-grade toys. Notice that most of them were killed off. Except characters/toys in the group that kids get to love.

In Rodimus' time, TF franchise was already high-flying money-milking-cow. So it was easy to decide to let him go soon. Besides, i believe the Hot Rod/Rodimus toys are a consequence of the story. (A reverse scenario of the first batch of G1 toys)

This is just my own theory, based on observation and deduction. Not officially sanctioned by Hasbro.

Auto Bot wrote:
I meant higher power, as in Hasbro executives.

Ok I misunderstood you point here.

Auto Bot wrote:The first batch of G1 toys is a different case. They are all what Hasbro got to start with. There was no way yet to tell how this new concept will survive. And the starting point are the toys. The characters and story were built on this initial batch of toys from Japan.
So the strategy was, to give some of the worse looking or simplistic toys the kind of important characterization in the cartoon, so that kids will buy them. Such as Ironhide, Ratchet, Gears, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Brawn, Insecticons, Seekers, and ultimately, Megatron.

With this I understood what you ment and I still dont agree that a better toy would have helped him be a better liked character.

Even in your owen words you say that Ironhide and many other characters were not so good toys so they made sure to focuse in on those characters, make them well liked so that the kids would have a good reason to want them.

If they used the same thinking on Rodimus's character he would have been more liked wether the toy sucked or not.

Auto Bot wrote:In Rodimus' time, TF franchise was already high-flying money-milking-cow. So it was easy to decide to let him go soon. Besides, i believe the Hot Rod/Rodimus toys are a consequence of the story. (A reverse scenario of the first batch of G1 toys)

I believe that the Rodimus toy was made as a result of the movies story but that Hot Rod was a planed toy.

This is just my own theory, based on observation and deduction. Not officially sanctioned by Hasbro. [/quote]

You got a point. Hot Rod toy is far better than Rodimus Prime toy.