The Energon Pub

Yes, it is true. There was once a story that involved a crossover between Beast Wars and the first live action Transformers movie. Four Autobots and four Decepticons from the first movie were sent through a warp in space-time that brought them to the world (and era) of the Beast Wars on prehistoric Earth.

What went on in these events is not well known, only that the battles went mostly like this:

• Optimus Primal and BW Megatron fought each other.
• Cheetor and Waspinator fought each other.
• Dinobot and Blackarachnia battled each other.
• Cohrada and Archadis from Beast Wars Neo were flung into the past somehow and fought in this battle against each other.
• Rhinox battled a mysterious new Predacon named Wolfang.
• Six of the eight Movie characters arrived from another dimension via the warp and join the then-current battle. Movie Starscream sided with BW Megatron to steal the planet's energy.
• After another time anomaly brought Gimlet from Beast Wars II into the past, he switched sides (for no good reason) to become a Predacon, and then teamed up with Movie Blackout to fight against Tigatron.
• Tigatron was then aided against Blackout and Gimlet by Cheetor, Optimus Primal, Movie Ironhide, Movie Ratchet and Movie Jazz.
• Starscream came to aid his comrades by fighting Tigatron alone, but Optimus Primal and Movie Optimus Prime (who just got there) fought him back.
• Movie Megatron and Movie Brawl arrived late from the warp, and teamed up with BW Megatron.
• Motorarm from Beast Wars II (and a [former] comrade of Gimlet's) arrived, flung into the past too, and fought Tarantulas.
• Both factions stood before each other for a final attack. Each side prepared to launch their energies at each other, and Motorarm led the charge as the Maximals/Autobots fired first.
• Optimus Primal and BW Megatron each absorbed a large amount of Energon that made them both grow giant-sized, and then proceeded to fight each other.
• The Maximal Mini-Con commando ninja Dragoyell somehow took part in all this too, sticking mostly to the background and the shadows.

...Yeah, it all sounds like crazy fanfiction doesn't it?

Well, truth be told, I didn't make this up. I just summed up the events a short series titled "Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story", which featured a few short "episodes" that were included as bonuses on the pack-in DVDs of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline (which was basically Japan's own 10th Anniversary Beast Wars toyline). Each "episode" was mostly a bunch of the toys set on a diorama landscape with the occasional laser blast explosion effects thrown in. While the Beast Wars characters were represented by their Telemocha toys, the Movie characters were their Fast Action Battler toys.

It's interesting to point out that, despite him being something like the movies' mascot, Movie Bumblebee was noticeably absent from these events. Granted, it was because only the first three waves of the Movie 1 FABs (minus Frenzy) were sold in Japan. Meaning that it was only Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, Megatron, Starscream, Brawl, and Blackout who got to meet the Beasties. Still though, it's rare to find something related the films that doesn't include Bumblebee.

Anyone wanna see some pics from it?

Sure, Counterpunch us into looking for FAB's why don't you

I'm well aware of the existence of that story, as weird as it may sound. However, it is in my opinion more like a bonus story-line, akin to the crossovers you see in Super Sentai and now Kamen Rider, and may not necessarily be canon.

I own 3 of those Telemocha DVD's (Tigatron, Archadis and Volfang) but have yet to watch any of them. I may get more, but not all.

(Also, there was the computer game TF: Battle Universe, as a crossover between G1, Bayformers, BW, and TFA)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'm well aware of the existence of that story, as weird as it may sound. However, it is in my opinion more like a bonus story-line, akin to the crossovers you see in Super Sentai and now Kamen Rider, and may not necessarily be canon.

Oh, it's canon, alright. To the Japanese dub version, at least. It takes place right after episode 21, which is when Waspinator was possessed by G1 Starscream.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I own 3 of those Telemocha DVD's (Tigatron, Archadis and Volfang) but have yet to watch any of them. I may get more, but not all.

I just got Waspinator at BotCon 2011, making him my first one. I haven't watched the DVD yet, though.

Chaoslock wrote:(Also, there was the computer game TF: Battle Universe, as a crossover between G1, Bayformers, BW, and TFA)

Yeah, but that was more akin to the style of the Super Smash Bros. games rather than like a legitimate crossover story.

I don't consider any of that japanese Takara Alterntiy/kiss players & so forth as canon or TF history worthy.

Because the writter or writters Takara hires for alternity/kiss players/etc.. gets way too caried away with the story telling to the point it all makes no sense. sort of what simon furnman does when he creates those long TF comic arc/plot stories that can literally extend beyond 30+issues.

deathy wrote:I don't consider any of that japanese Takara Alterntiy/kiss players & so forth as canon or TF history worthy.

Because the writter or writters Takara hires for alternity/kiss players/etc.. gets way too caried away with the story telling to the point it all makes no sense. sort of what simon furnman does when he creates those long TF comic arc/plot stories that can literally extend beyond 30+issues.

Just because something is complex doesn't mean it's not canon.

Besides, compared to those other examples you listed, this crossover is fairly simplistic considering how it's primarily a bunch of "Person A fights Person B" battles.

And, FYI, Kiss Players actually fixed more plot holes than any it made.

In this particular case, though, this was just a bunch of random fights with some time/dimension-displaced dudes that all took place between episodes 21 and 22 of the Beast Wars season 1 Japanese dub.

The Japanese are masters at shoehorning events into continuity all right

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The Japanese are masters at shoehorning events into continuity all right

A practice which they oddly have not been doing much of for the last few years. Though they may have done something with the United "Macrocosmic Seekers" storyline, but there's not much info about that that has been made publicly known to know for sure.



But to get back on topic, yeah, this plot is so... out there, and it's just one of the most unexpected events to ever occur during the Beast Wars. The way this story goes, it's like it expects us to believe that a long amount of time occurs between episodes 21 and 22 of Beast Wars. Though, thinking about it, there is some leeway for that to have happened, as episode 22 shows a full garden having grown in front of the Axalon, which was not there in any episode before it. Now, if there had been this big event that occurred prior to that episode, I guess it wouldn't hurt to assume that that garden grew during the period of time that this crossover fight took place.

But, even with that put aside, there are still several questions that this brings up.

• By what means did Cohrada, Archadis, Gimlet, and Motorarm get flung into the past?
• And why?
• What's the origin of the time warp that brought the eight Movie dudes into the Beast Wars?
• Why in the name of Primus' right thunb did Gimlet switch sides?! I thought he was a happy comic relief character. Did this guy ever show signs of wanting to be a bad guy?
• How did everyone get back to their own times and dimensions? How did the story end?
• How did Primal and BW Megs grow big by absorbing energon? Shouldn't the energon radiation have harmed them? Or at least just increase their power (like what it did to Terrorsaur) rather than their size too?
• Where'd Wolfang come from? Was he a newly-awakened Profoform that arrived during all this?
• What's Dragoyell's deal? Just... what is up with that guy?
• Why was Tarantulas included when he had no Telemocha toy?
• Are the Movie Bots and Cons really shrunken down to Max and Pred size, or is that aspect not meant to be taken literally? (as they were represented by their FAB toys, which are about Deluxe sized)
• How on Earth are Movie Jazz, Movie Megs, Movie Brawl, and Movie Blackout all there in their Movie 1 bodies without being dead? Did they all come from some alternate reality version of the first movie in which none of them died?
• Could any of these time-space warps have anything to do with the Blasty Zone from RobotMasters? ( I ask this since it was at some point after this fight that Primal and BW Megs--and Psycho Orb--were flung into the present--and their bodies enlarged--via the Blasty Zone)
• Why? Just... why? Aside from promoting the BW Telemocha toys and the Movie FAB toys, just... WHY?

I can answer the Gimlet and Volfang questions: To Sell Toys. If you look closely, the Maximals have odd designations (TM-01, TM-03, TM-05 etc.) while the Predacons had even numbers (TM-02, TM-04, TM-06 etc.). To remain consistent, the Wolfang mold was used to make a new Predacon character, while Gimlet, being featured on the BWII anime, merely switched sides.

I'm baffled about the rest, but they're also adept at non trying to make sense

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I can answer the Gimlet and Volfang questions: To Sell Toys. If you look closely, the Maximals have odd designations (TM-01, TM-03, TM-05 etc.) while the Predacons had even numbers (TM-02, TM-04, TM-06 etc.). To remain consistent, the Wolfang mold was used to make a new Predacon character, while Gimlet, being featured on the BWII anime, merely switched sides.

Other than that real world answer. What in-fiction reason did Gimlet have for switching sides? And was Wolfang some newly-awakened Protoform Pred?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'm baffled about the rest, but they're also adept at non trying to make sense

Though, thinking more about the size-growing of Primal and BW Megs, now I'm wondering something else. What if that is how they are so big in RobotMasters? Maybe they grew huge here, and then were sent to 2004 via Blasty Zone without shrinking back down. Maybe the Blasty Zone is the time-space anomaly that brought everyone here like it later brought everyone there. This idea helps bridge the continuity of this with RobotMasters.

Hate to be so anal about his name, but it's technically "Volfang", not "Wolfang". True, the wolf was called "Howlinger" (ハウリンガー Ha-u-ri-n-gā) in Japan, but the Telemocha version is called ボルファング (Bo-ru-fa-n-gu), like the Germanic Volfang. Wolfang would be spelled ウルファング (U-ru-fan-gu)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hate to be so anal about his name, but it's technically "Volfang", not "Wolfang". True, the wolf was called "Howlinger" (ハウリンガー Ha-u-ri-n-gā) in Japan, but the Telemocha version is called ボルファング (Bo-ru-fa-n-gu), like the Germanic Volfang. Wolfang would be spelled ウルファング (U-ru-fan-gu)

It's pronounced "Volfang" but still Transliterated as "Wolfang" in English. The W pronounced in the German manner like a "V". I may be typing it as "Wolfang" but I'm verbally saying it as "Volfang".

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hate to be so anal about his name, but it's technically "Volfang", not "Wolfang". True, the wolf was called "Howlinger" (ハウリンガー Ha-u-ri-n-gā) in Japan, but the Telemocha version is called ボルファング (Bo-ru-fa-n-gu), like the Germanic Volfang. Wolfang would be spelled ウルファング (U-ru-fan-gu)

It's pronounced "Volfang" but still Transliterated as "Wolfang" in English. The W pronounced in the German manner like a "V". I may be typing it as "Wolfang" but I'm verbally saying it as "Volfang".

Whatever floats your boat I use Volfang as The Cub in the BotCon Omega Point Saga myself

Huh. I didn't know that. I tried looking up video on this and was surprised it's not available to watch online.

Supreme Convoy wrote:Huh. I didn't know that. I tried looking up video on this and was surprised it's not available to watch online.

No kidding. here's some pics of it, though.

Supreme Convoy wrote:Huh. I didn't know that. I tried looking up video on this and was surprised it's not available to watch online.

No kidding. Here's some pics of it, though.

Actually, I did know that!

Where do I find these crossovers? I feel like I'm missing out on something here. According to the pics they look to be action figure clay animation or something.

Blackstreak wrote:Where do I find these crossovers? I feel like I'm missing out on something here. According to the pics they look to be action figure clay animation or something.

They can only be found as bonus content on the DVDs that came packed in with the Japanese Beast Wars Telemocha Series toys. There are no subtitles and no English options, and sadly none have been put online yet.

I myself have not watched them, only read about them. From what I gather, each one is only a few minutes long with not much going on in each except for a recap of the Beast Wars storyline, a description of the BW Telemocha Series characters, and a short "battle" that's really just a display of each toys' weaponry and attacks. Later releases altered the "battle" parts to include promotion of the Movie Fast action Battler toys to represent their being warped into the Beast Wars for this conflict.

I don't think it's because that they're "rare" that they haven't been put online, but simply because no one has even bothered to.

Sabrblade wrote:

Blackstreak wrote:Where do I find these crossovers? I feel like I'm missing out on something here. According to the pics they look to be action figure clay animation or something.

They can only be found as bonus content on the DVDs that came packed in with the Japanese Beast Wars Telemocha Series toys. There are no subtitles and no English options, and sadly none have been put online yet.

I myself have not watched them, only read about them. From what I gather, each one is only a few minutes long with not much going on in each except for a recap of the Beast Wars storyline, a description of the BW Telemocha Series characters, and a short "battle" that's really just a display of each toys' weaponry and attacks. Later releases altered the "battle" parts to include promotion of the Movie Fast action Battler toys to represent their being warped into the Beast Wars for this conflict.

I don't think it's because that they're "rare" that they haven't been put online, but simply because no one has even bothered to.

kk, I won't put much effort into these videos then.

Thanks for the info Sabrblade!

I'd only heard about because for awhile it was one of the most wanted items on the TF Wiki. I didn't know it was continuity, and it actually sounds kind of cool. I'd love to see the actual episodes for the sake of seeing them put up on Youtube. Then it'd probably be feesable to fan-fic up a plot-hole fixing story.

On a somewhat related note, is there any concrete reason why DJ wasn't released in Telemocha? It seems very odd to put out Gimlet and Motorarm but not the final piece of the Tripledacus puzzle.

Duke of Luns wrote:Thanks for the info Sabrblade!

I'd only heard about because for awhile it was one of the most wanted items on the TF Wiki. I didn't know it was continuity, and it actually sounds kind of cool. I'd love to see the actual episodes for the sake of seeing them put up on Youtube. Then it'd probably be feesable to fan-fic up a plot-hole fixing story.

On a somewhat related note, is there any concrete reason why DJ wasn't released in Telemocha? It seems very odd to put out Gimlet and Motorarm but not the final piece of the Tripledacus puzzle.

Sadly, there was no explanation given for why DJ was left out of this. Though, from what I have heard, Drancron was to be the next figure in this line (who would have likely been the bad guy counter for Motorarm, since he had no matching Destron for him to face), but was cancelled for some reason. The DX versions of Convoy and Megatron were released, though. And the line itself was canceled shortly after that.

Sabrblade wrote:Did you know there was a Beast Wars/Bay Movie crossover?

I wouldnt mind, but when I read the title of the thread I thought we were talking Hasbro/US continuity not Japans.

deathy wrote:I don't consider any of that japanese Takara Alterntiy/kiss players & so forth as canon or TF history worthy.

So, let me get this right......you pic and choose what parts you consider official continuity?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Did you know there was a Beast Wars/Bay Movie crossover?

I wouldnt mind, but when I read the title of the thread I thought we were talking Hasbro/US continuity not Japans.

Does it matter? Canon is canon, regardless of which market it's in.

Sabrblade wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Did you know there was a Beast Wars/Bay Movie crossover?

I wouldnt mind, but when I read the title of the thread I thought we were talking Hasbro/US continuity not Japans.

Does it matter? Canon is canon, regardless of which market it's in.

Yes it matters.

And I believe you know that.

Everything official is canon, but not everything canon is in continuity with each other or other series.

Example A.

G1 US cartoon is canon.
G1 [Super Robot life] JP cartoon is canon.

But they arent in continuity with each other in the US continuity...which is why Scramble City,Headmasters etc. arent part of G1 US continuity.

Example B

G1 US Marvel comic is canon.
G1 UK Marvel comic is canon.

ut they arent in the same continuity, even thou they share many of the same events.