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1. The toy marketing and description on back of packaging
2. The leaked images of Megs with Ravage
3. The hand and tank treads in trailer exactly match the leaked design

any i'm missing?

But, so bay isn't "lying" he'll be named either Galvatron or "the fallen" but he's def in this movie!

crashbarbarian wrote:1. The toy marketing and description on back of packaging

crashbarbarian wrote:But, so bay isn't "lying" he'll be named either Galvatron or "the fallen" but he's def in this movie!

ok umm just to point out that you've kinda contradicted yourself saying that megatron will be in the movie but he won't.

if it were to be galvatron, then hasbro would have released official packaging saying that it was galvatron, not megatron.

yes there appears to be evidence in the teaser trailer that it is megatron thats pinning sam down, but i wouldn't really run out and openly declare it yet that megs is indeed making a comeback... i would take it with a pinch of salt, but then again, thats just me

They have mentioned that sam was seeing weird stuff like his grandfather. So maybe we were seeing a taste of that. Sam could be flipping out thinking meggy was gonna get him...then bam he snaps out of it and he is in his bed. idk but we will find out when the movie releases

Grimpoo wrote:They have mentioned that sam was seeing weird stuff like his grandfather. So maybe we were seeing a taste of that. Sam could be flipping out thinking meggy was gonna get him...then bam he snaps out of it and he is in his bed. idk but we will find out when the movie releases

This makes sense to me.

Kaiser Convoy wrote:

crashbarbarian wrote:1. The toy marketing and description on back of packaging

crashbarbarian wrote:But, so bay isn't "lying" he'll be named either Galvatron or "the fallen" but he's def in this movie!

ok umm just to point out that you've kinda contradicted yourself saying that megatron will be in the movie but he won't.

if it were to be galvatron, then hasbro would have released official packaging saying that it was galvatron, not megatron.

yes there appears to be evidence in the teaser trailer that it is megatron thats pinning sam down, but i wouldn't really run out and openly declare it yet that megs is indeed making a comeback... i would take it with a pinch of salt, but then again, thats just me

Why all the toy boxart, toys, and whatnot if he WASN'T going to be in the movie?? He's going to be in it and it's been pretty much confirmed already for around a month or better.

Archatron wrote:

Kaiser Convoy wrote:

crashbarbarian wrote:1. The toy marketing and description on back of packaging

crashbarbarian wrote:But, so bay isn't "lying" he'll be named either Galvatron or "the fallen" but he's def in this movie!

ok umm just to point out that you've kinda contradicted yourself saying that megatron will be in the movie but he won't.

if it were to be galvatron, then hasbro would have released official packaging saying that it was galvatron, not megatron.

yes there appears to be evidence in the teaser trailer that it is megatron thats pinning sam down, but i wouldn't really run out and openly declare it yet that megs is indeed making a comeback... i would take it with a pinch of salt, but then again, thats just me

Why all the toy boxart, toys, and whatnot if he WASN'T going to be in the movie?? He's going to be in it and it's been pretty much confirmed already for around a month or better.

why the box art n toys? simple.. money, theres been a lot of that, even for characters that havent appeared in the first movie that have had their names used on remoulds and repaints...

i mean megatron is a staple name for hasbro for transformers, so if they dont give him a new form and keep the name every so often, the name comes up for renewal and they can loose it... how do you think instead of shockwave we got lazerwave or shockblast? its all about keeping the franchise going and keeping the names of what they have - thats why they would do it

I very seriously doubt that they will lose Megatrons name to another company. But if they did wouldnt that be awesome to have a beer named Megatron Lite!

Kaiser Convoy wrote:

Archatron wrote:Why all the toy boxart, toys, and whatnot if he WASN'T going to be in the movie?? He's going to be in it and it's been pretty much confirmed already for around a month or better.

why the box art n toys? simple.. money, theres been a lot of that, even for characters that havent appeared in the first movie that have had their names used on remoulds and repaints...

i mean megatron is a staple name for hasbro for transformers, so if they dont give him a new form and keep the name every so often, the name comes up for renewal and they can loose it... how do you think instead of shockwave we got lazerwave or shockblast? its all about keeping the franchise going and keeping the names of what they have - thats why they would do it

Yes... but it's not just the FAB new Megatron toy we've seen with him now as a tank, but we've also seen this http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... nia/15061/ -- missile mania game with the same new Megatron. (by "new Megatron", I'm referring to him with tank treads and the different arm(s))

As far as the dream theory goes... why would Sam dream of a Megatron that's different from how he was in the first movie? Why would he dream of him with tank treads and the different arm(s)?

So... I have to agree with the original poster that Megatron is going to be in this movie. Not confirmed... but many, many signs are pointing to it.

I'm 99% sure he'll be in it.

I think the only misinformation campaign was things that Michael Bay said. What he says is the misinformation! (I didn't feel this way before, but now I'm convinced.)

Alot of heavy equipment has tracks so it could be tracks for constructicons. And it was a hand pinning down sam...not an arm with a blaster. idk you could be right. He could get revived and kick sams ass for revenge.

*edit- I watched the trailer again. it could possibly be starscream's hand pinning down sam, because right before he was kinda bending down as to do something of that nature.

I originally thought it was just Starscream pinning Sam down, but this got me thinking. The fingers are a lot more like Meg's long, spindly ones (admittedly, I don't think we ever got a good view of 'Screamer's fingers). And it looks like its a left hand pinning Sam down, and only Meg's is a giant claw/cannon/sword thingy. And lets face it, if there's one thing Megs would go out of his way, beyond the limits of sanity, to eliminate upon reviving, it would be Sam (Optimus is a close second, although if Optimus stood between Sam and Megs, Megs would see it as two for the price of one).

My final idea on this is the Mike admitted that he was going to be a compulsive liar about this movie, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

If he's in the movie, I bet he'll be in the upcoming trailer.

It has already been pointed out that Sam would not dream about a Megatron he has never seen so I will skip over that. The other damning point is the money involved in designing a character. I cannot see how the film could shell out the bread to have a reformated Megatron in a dream sequence. It does not make financial cents. (pun intended)

St. Even wrote:It has already been pointed out that Sam would not dream about a Megatron he has never seen so I will skip over that. The other damning point is the money involved in designing a character. I cannot see how the film could shell out the bread to have a reformated Megatron in a dream sequence. It does not make financial cents. (pun intended)

And with a 'dream' version, would someone buy the toy, thinking they see the figure in it, but only to find an empty box when they get home and empty it. XD

Megatron is without a douby back. =P

I want to point something out if it hasn't been noticed by anyone else. I believe that Megs is in it... the part where Sam is pinned is obvious in my opinion but I will add that if you look at the Missile mania box art look at Megatron, he has these gold colored rotors/lugs... In the teaser, Optimus gets b!tch$lapped by a transformer with gold rotors. In-fact that is just about the only distinguishable feature in the screen caps of that scene. Just my two cents.

I just hope that megatron doesn't have a name change because thats what my teacher said, he said he would be galvatron and i was like " no. wtf no hes not."

autobot commander wrote:I just hope that megatron doesn't have a name change because thats what my teacher said, he said he would be galvatron and i was like " no. wtf no hes not."

yeah no galvatron please. I dont mind if they make one for the movies who not megs, but dont ever make megatron into a reformated version. Was a mistake the first time, would be if they did it again. Megatron is an infinitely cooler name, and he seemed be ten times more insane as galvatron.To point it actually scares his own men. Even the loyalist ones.

Well, I wouldn't have a problem with him coming back as Galvatron.

I just want him to come back period.

alright peeps.. dig this

1. We know it's megs in the clip of the hand holding down sam.
a) The salt water rust all over the joints and metal = megs in the ocean
b) The design of the left hand being the same as megs and having legs with tank treds is consistant with the leaked design
c) It's not a dream sequence because sam wouldn't dream of a new
version of megs

2. It's very possible that the clip of op getting smacked down is by Megs who has the same rust and color scheme as the leaked design and i'm pretty sure you can see tank tred in that clip as well

3. Why go through the process of designing a design of well known established character who was in the first movie that looks as if it belongs in the movie and not put it in the movie. And why put it on the same sheet with Ravage who is in the movie, if it's not going to be in the movie. Logic tells us that this design was meant to be in the movie

4. Bay would not and to his credit has not been caught in a blatant lie. Why come out and say that megs is not in the movie then, when he clearly is.... because they are changing his name! To either the fallen or galvatron or something else.

5. the leaked info that suggest Op dies or is badly hurt coincides with the clip of him getting his face smashed in. If this is true, and megs is the one who is doing it, then megs is a very important part of the movie!

I strongly argue against Megatron having a different name because, as it has already been pointed out, Hasbro is printing Megatron on the toy packaging. Unless this is a "mistake" like Brawl/Devastator I think it is safe to assume Megatron will indeed be name Megatron in TF:RotF.

i agree with his statment but for me hd or nomal quality i dont see anything in the teaser that could be megatron in the film except for the scene when sam gets pinned down with the hand.

but im still taking it as 90/10 chance no matter how many times bay says megatron is not in the film i dont belive him until i see more proof for myself to see if hes in it or not i still say hes in it by the concept art leaked image design proves that hes in the movie how much we will see of him is the question to be answed whn the film gets released.

As I said in another topic, toys and box art doesn't mean a damn thing. Besides that the majority of the toys from any TF toy line are non-show characters so how is a toy proof that character is actully in the movie?

The leaked designs, Bay himself has said they're intentionally leaking faulse information that won't be in the movie to cover up any real information that gets leaked out so I wouldn't belive that either.

Bay allso lied on half the information given out for the first movie so I really wouldn't doubt it if he was lieing again.

On the other hand, we did see what COULD HAVE BEEN Megatron's hand. To be honest the designs are so crappy that could of been ANYONE'S hand, who can tell the difference?

Allso, why would actully kill off the Decepticon leader. Honestly, the movie is allready crap, they'd be stupid not to include Megatron in some form.

I'm still under the belife though that maybe the leaked design is a half truth as is Bay saying Megatron wouldn't be returning. The truth MIGHT be that no Megatron will not be returning... as Megatron. He'll be reformated into Galvatron, same character, different name, but by point of view, it was only said Megatron would not be returning, they didn't say the character, just the name. The art for Megatron shows a new design from the first movie but still calls him Megatron. I think the art is real but the nameing of him is faulse information.

The story about Scorpinok reviveing Megatron I allso think is faulse. Scorpinok was killed if not badly damaged in the first movie, I don't really think he's in the movie at all. I just think the Cube reformats Megatron into Galvatron and he shows up at some point, everyone thinks he was dead even the Decepticons, everyone is shocked to see him return.

Saber Prime wrote:As I said in another topic, toys and box art doesn't mean a damn thing.

And as i said on thay same topic.....it depends on the subject at hand.

Althou I tend to agree with what your trying to say.

The exsistance of a "Fallen" toy [or Megatron or any toy] in the movie line is not evidence that the character will be in the movie as a fact.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:As I said in another topic, toys and box art doesn't mean a damn thing.

And as i said on thay same topic.....it depends on the subject at hand.

Althou I tend to agree with what your trying to say.

The exsistance of a "Fallen" toy [or Megatron or any toy] in the movie line is not evidence that the character will be in the movie as a fact.

Do you think a toy marked as The Fallen could be Megatron? We shall see.

So far, the only thing close to evidence that Megatron might be returning is the toy, and even that needs a hefty helping of salt, since, as Saber Prime pointed out, every TF toyline, ever, has been filled with non-show characters.

Otherwise, I'd like to see every single shot with solid evidence that it really is Megatron. The hand pinning Sam does not count, that could be any Decepticon's hands.

I actually like the idea of Sam having nightmares about Megatron. But those who say it would be a waste of a redesign, or it won't make sense to redesign him for a dream...will they actually use the redesign in the movie?

Shadowman wrote:Do you think a toy marked as The Fallen could be Megatron?

No I do not.

But I stand by what I said.

Having a toy in the toyline is not evidence that the character would be featured in the show....or movie if you will.

We both know that every toyline is stocked full of toys that never make it to the shows.

So simply having a toy in the toyline named "The Fallen" is not evidence that "The Fallen" will be a character in the movie.

BTW you linked me to the wika page and it doesnt have a pic of the movie mold of The Fallen....why???

Shadowman wrote:So far, the only thing close to evidence that Megatron might be returning is the toy,

I wouldnt call that evidence either for the same reasons listed above.