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Sherade wrote:I know how you feel.
All things considered, the Prowl/Autobot logo has striking resemblance, but the mouth messes it up. Makes no sense why it matches prowl so closely. When I was younger, I attempted drawing the "creators" of the factions with faces like the synbols, before I knew about Primus, Unicron, etc. Maybe I was on to something with the creator idea. Go figure.

I like your sig it made me laugh. "And one shall have huge guns."

Back on topic The Autobot symbol I drew that looked the best actully looked alot like this one.

And back to the symbols actully looking like their leaders...

Autobots :BOT2:

Decepticons (I think it's actully a variation of the Autobot logo but doesn't it kinda look like Cartman in Megatron's helmet?)

just putting in my two cents. I think the decepticon looks kinda like a fox. the whole sly, cunning, and evil. And the autobot i know this is going out on a limb but i was thinking since everyone is rattling off all these car autobots like red alert prowl etc. i was think that the autobot symbol could be considered the "generic" autobot???

<- THAT'S meant to be a 'con symbol? Seriously? What is it a subgroup called the Chubbycons?

Is it a(n American) football helmet?
Is it a fossil?

Uncrazzimatic wrote::123TF: <- THAT'S meant to be a 'con symbol? Seriously? What is it a subgroup called the Chubbycons?

It's the logo of the old pre-skool My First Transformers and 1-2-3 Transformers line.

Raymond T. wrote:

Uncrazzimatic wrote::123TF: <- THAT'S meant to be a 'con symbol? Seriously? What is it a subgroup called the Chubbycons?

It's the logo of the old pre-skool My First Transformers and 1-2-3 Transformers line.

Oh is that all? Phew. Although the idea of Chubbycons was starting to grow on me, they could fight the Anorexibots!

All the different factions and logo's are:

G1 Autobot
:BOT2: G2 Autobot
:MAX: BW Maximal
BM Maximal
TransTech Autobot
My First Transformers / 1-2-3 Transformers
Go-Bots Transformers
Wreckers Autobot

G1 Decepticon
:CON2: G2 Decepticon
RED: BW Predacon
BM Vehicon
TransTech Decepticon / The Hub
RiD Renegade / Decepticon

Mini-Con
BW Mutant
BWNeo Blendtron / Unicronian
BM Dinobots
Death's Head

Then there is still the Leige of the Dark faction symbol, which is the logo for the Fallen, Leige Maximo and others from the Elite 13, who betrayed Primus and Prima. But it doesn't appear that Ryan has put that one up here.

Making some alterations to that list...

G1 Autobot
:BOT2: G2 Autobot (Comic version not the G2 Cartoon series that was just G1 with anoying CGI)
:MAX: BW Maximal
BM Maximal
TransTech Autobot
My First Transformers / 1-2-3 Transformers
Go-Bots Transformers (The "My First Transformers" are called Go-Bots or were you refering to the old cartoon Go-Bots that aired around the same time as G1?)
Wreckers Autobot (I have no idea what Wreckers are but some times in RID from far away the Autobot symbol would look like that.)

G1 Decepticon
:CON2: G2 Decepticon
RED: BW Predacon
BM Vehicon (Do we really need to specify BM here? Vehicons don't exsist in any other series.)
TransTech Decepticon / The Hub (What's The Hub?)
RiD Renegade / Decepticon (Where did this information come from? The RID Decepticons use the same logo as G1)

Mini-Con
BW Mutant
BWNeo Blendtron / Unicronian
BM Dinobots
Death's Head (What the heck is Death's Head?)

And now that I'm thinking about it isn't there allso another variation of the Decepticon symbol that has 3 points in the center piece insted of just 2? It's not listed with the rest of them but I belive I saw it with someone refering to it as "the 3 pronged Decepticon" or something to that effect.

Saber Prime wrote: :BOT2: G2 Autobot (Comic version not the G2 Cartoon series that was just G1 with anoying CGI)

I wasn't talking about a G2 cartoon! The symbol is G2, period. Be it for the comic books or the toyline. There was never a real G2 Cartoon show. So I see little point in bringing that up.

Saber Prime wrote: My First Transformers / 1-2-3 Transformers
Go-Bots Transformers (The "My First Transformers" are called Go-Bots or were you refering to the old cartoon Go-Bots that aired around the same time as G1?)

Again, not talking about the cartoons. First there was My First Transformers Pre-Skool toys. That had that logo. Then came 1-2-3 Transformers, which should have the same logo,... but I believe most of those toys didn't have any symbols. Then came Go-Bots Transformers. These were the lastest Pre-skool Transformers toys, that wore the latter insignia. There actually does exist a Go-Bots Transformers show that features these Pre-skool toys. It has NOTHING to do with Challenge of the Go-Bots. In other words, First My First Transformers, then 1-2-3 Transformers and then Go-Bot Transformers were released in that order as Pre-Skool TOYS.

Saber Prime wrote: Wreckers Autobot (I have no idea what Wreckers are but some times in RID from far away the Autobot symbol would look like that.)

The Wreckers are a special missions commando team from the UK Marvel Comics, that included Springer, Broadside, Sandstorm, Twin Twist, Top Spin and several other characters that were not featured much or at all in the US run of Marvel Comics. Their logo was slightly altered from regular Autobots.

Saber Prime wrote: TransTech Decepticon / The Hub (What's The Hub?)

The hub is from a story written by Simon Furman several years ago for one of the UK Conventions, that continued the story where issue #12 of Generation two had ended. The hub are a inter connected race of Decepticon Transformers from the future that tried to take control over Cybertron, after they had destroyed the Cybertron from their own time. Since alot of details from Furman's Transformers comic bible (like the story of the Elite 13) was used in this series of short stories, they are viewed as being official stories, beyond G2.

Saber Prime wrote: RiD Renegade / Decepticon (Where did this information come from? The RID Decepticons use the same logo as G1)

In the original Japanese series of RiD, Carrobots, this logo was used for the Renegades. When the series was translated to the US market, Hasbro didn't want to waste time and money with the legal ends of re-claiming the G2 Autobot logo (since the Renegade logo is G2 Autobot upside down) That was owned by Hasbro UK, so they changed it to the regular G1 Decepticon logo and named these Characters Decepticons. If you watch the cartoon, you can still see the Decepticons wearing the Renegade logo's and not the Decepticon ones.

Saber Prime wrote: Death's Head (What the heck is Death's Head?)

Death's Head is the Bounty Hunter Character that plays a rather big part in the Time Wars saga of the UK Marvel Comics.

Saber Prime wrote:And now that I'm thinking about it isn't there allso another variation of the Decepticon symbol that has 3 points in the center piece insted of just 2? It's not listed with the rest of them but I belive I saw it with someone refering to it as "the 3 pronged Decepticon" or something to that effect.

Yeah, but that was just used in the cartoons, without it having any extra real meaning.

Raymond T. wrote:The hub is from a story written by Simon Furman several years ago for one of the UK Conventions, that continued the story where issue #12 of Generation two had ended. The hub are a inter connected race of Decepticon Transformers from the future that tried to take control over Cybertron, after they had destroyed the Cybertron from their own time. Since alot of details from Furman's Transformers comic bible (like the story of the Elite 13) was used in this series of short stories, they are viewed as being official stories, beyond G2.

In the original Japanese series of RiD, Carrobots, this logo was used for the Renegades. When the series was translated to the US market, Hasbro didn't want to waste time and money with the legal ends of re-claiming the G2 Autobot logo (since the Renegade logo is G2 Autobot upside down) That was owned by Hasbro UK, so they changed it to the regular G1 Decepticon logo and named these Characters Decepticons. If you watch the cartoon, you can still see the Decepticons wearing the Renegade logo's and not the Decepticon ones.

1. I wander, considering Transtech would have followed Beast Machines story line and the Transtech Decepticons use that same logo and you did say they were from the Future in that comic book. All this considered isn't it possible that if the Transtech series had actully been made that the events of the series would eventually lead up to the Decepticons traveling to the past and then get an cartoon version of that comic? Time travel makes head hurt.

2. I just realized there was another Go-Bot refrence there. Wasn't the bad guys on the old cartoon series Go-Bots called the Renegades?

And about that symbol appearing in RID. I just recently watched that entire series and never saw that symbol anywhere. I did however see on a close up of Galvatron in the cartoon series the Predacon symbol in his chest jewel thing is a Decepticon symbol. He allso mentions when he first becomes Galvatron that he is "Now a Decepticon" I never really understood how RID Megatron went from Predacon to Decepticon and gained 4 new modes just by changing his colors.

The Toy of Galvatron still has Predacon symbols on it but the box he comes in allso shows him as a Decepticon.

There are several differences in the series between RID and Car Robots and this is just one of them I guess. That logo never appears anywhere in the American series RID or if it did I never noticed it. (I least I can say I'm one of few people that actully noticed Galvatron is a Decepticon in RID)

Saber Prime wrote:1. I wander, considering Transtech would have followed Beast Machines story line and the Transtech Decepticons use that same logo and you did say they were from the Future in that comic book. All this considered isn't it possible that if the Transtech series had actully been made that the events of the series would eventually lead up to the Decepticons traveling to the past and then get an cartoon version of that comic? Time travel makes head hurt.

The story was written long before Beast Wars. When fanfictions started to appear about it, they started to use the TT faction symbol. The fans simply accepted this.

Saber Prime wrote:2. I just realized there was another Go-Bot refrence there. Wasn't the bad guys on the old cartoon series Go-Bots called the Renegades?

And about that symbol appearing in RID. I just recently watched that entire series and never saw that symbol anywhere. I did however see on a close up of Galvatron in the cartoon series the Predacon symbol in his chest jewel thing is a Decepticon symbol. He allso mentions when he first becomes Galvatron that he is "Now a Decepticon" I never really understood how RID Megatron went from Predacon to Decepticon and gained 4 new modes just by changing his colors.

The Toy of Galvatron still has Predacon symbols on it but the box he comes in allso shows him as a Decepticon.

There are several differences in the series between RID and Car Robots and this is just one of them I guess. That logo never appears anywhere in the American series RID or if it did I never noticed it. (I least I can say I'm one of few people that actully noticed Galvatron is a Decepticon in RID)

Look closely. Scourge has the insignia on his shoulder and Ruination on his chest.

Raymond T. wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:1. I wander, considering Transtech would have followed Beast Machines story line and the Transtech Decepticons use that same logo and you did say they were from the Future in that comic book. All this considered isn't it possible that if the Transtech series had actully been made that the events of the series would eventually lead up to the Decepticons traveling to the past and then get an cartoon version of that comic? Time travel makes head hurt.

The story was written long before Beast Wars. When fanfictions started to appear about it, they started to use the TT faction symbol. The fans simply accepted this.

Saber Prime wrote:2. I just realized there was another Go-Bot refrence there. Wasn't the bad guys on the old cartoon series Go-Bots called the Renegades?

And about that symbol appearing in RID. I just recently watched that entire series and never saw that symbol anywhere. I did however see on a close up of Galvatron in the cartoon series the Predacon symbol in his chest jewel thing is a Decepticon symbol. He allso mentions when he first becomes Galvatron that he is "Now a Decepticon" I never really understood how RID Megatron went from Predacon to Decepticon and gained 4 new modes just by changing his colors.

The Toy of Galvatron still has Predacon symbols on it but the box he comes in allso shows him as a Decepticon.

There are several differences in the series between RID and Car Robots and this is just one of them I guess. That logo never appears anywhere in the American series RID or if it did I never noticed it. (I least I can say I'm one of few people that actully noticed Galvatron is a Decepticon in RID)

Look closely. Scourge has the insignia on his shoulder and Ruination on his chest.

I know of scourge, but I thought only thr japanese ruination had it on his chest (the toy)

Head Shot wrote:I know of scourge, but I thought only thr japanese ruination had it on his chest (the toy)

The toys yes. But the animation it self of the series was never altered.

Hear are what the symbols are representative of

:BOT: G1 Autobot
(Prowl /Blue Streak/ Smokescreen)
:BOT2: G2 Autobot
(Optimus Prime)
:MAX: BW Maximal
(RazorBeast)
:MAX2: BM Maximal
(Cheetor, but it's a stretch)
:TRANSBOT: TransTech Autobot
(BMac Optimus Primal)
:123TF: My First Transformers / 1-2-3 Transformers
(>>Shudder I don't want to think about it.)
Go-Bots Transformers
(Kiddiefied G1 Symbol)
Wreckers Autobot
(If The Autobots worshipped Thor, JK)

G1 Decepticon
(Soundwave)
:CON2: G2 Decepticon
(Soundwave, but stylized)
RED: BW Predacon
(Waspinator)
BM Vehicon
(Tankor)
TransTech Decepticon / The Hub
(Very stylized version of Soundwave, Also TT Shockwave
had a head design very similar to this symbol.)
RiD Renegade / Decepticon
(G2 Symbol upside down and gray)

Mini-Con
(One of the connector posts rotated 45 degrees)
BW Mutant
(An Atom, Sodium infact)
BWNeo Blendtron / Unicronian
(Unicron, Beast Wars Neo version)
BM Dinobots
(Triceratops)
Death's Head
(Death's Head)

Just my two cents.

:BOT: G1 Autobot
(Prowl /Blue Streak/ Smokescreen)(Not even going back into that)
:BOT2: G2 Autobot
(Optimus Prime)(Yup)
:MAX: BW Maximal
(RazorBeast)(RazorBeast was a non show character and a wart hog, that looks like a cat head hence, That's Cheetor.)
:MAX2: BM Maximal
(Cheetor, but it's a stretch)(More styalized version of the original Maximal symbol, still looks like a cat head.)
:TRANSBOT: TransTech Autobot
(BMac Optimus Primal)(That looks more like Night Viper, non show character that transforms into a cobra, than Optimus)
:123TF: My First Transformers / 1-2-3 Transformers
(>>Shudder I don't want to think about it.)(Cartman wearing Megatron's helmet. Don't know what South Park has to do with Transformers but that's what it looks like to me)
Go-Bots Transformers
(Kiddiefied G1 Symbol)(yup)
Wreckers Autobot
(If The Autobots worshipped Thor, JK)(What's Thor got to do with anything?)

G1 Decepticon
(Soundwave)
:CON2: G2 Decepticon
(Soundwave, but stylized)
RED: BW Predacon
(Waspinator)
BM Vehicon
(Tankor)(His cannon does kinda look like that but more likly that's a real world hazar symbol and Tankor's cannon was designed after the symbol not the other way around)
TransTech Decepticon / The Hub
(Very stylized version of Soundwave, Also TT Shockwave
had a head design very similar to this symbol.)
RiD Renegade / Decepticon
(G2 Symbol upside down and gray)

Mini-Con
(One of the connector posts rotated 45 degrees)(Um, the conector ports are just round pegs. You can turn them around all you like but it's still just going to look like the symbol for the sun and Apolo. Mini-con symbol is just an M for Mini-con, it's not designed to look like anything other than that.)
BW Mutant
(An Atom, Sodium infact)
BWNeo Blendtron / Unicronian
(Unicron, Beast Wars Neo version)
BM Dinobots
(Triceratops)
Death's Head
(Death's Head)

I just came up with an idea.

Maximals and Predacons are the decendants of Autobots and Decepticons right. They have their own faction names and symbols different from the originals. The difference being Maximals and Predacons are smaller and more fuel effeciant than Autobots and Predacons.

Here's the idea, if you were to make a new generation of Transformers what would you call them? What would their faction symbols be? And most importantly other than name and symbol how would they be different from the previous generations?

Saber Prime wrote::WRECK: Wreckers Autobot
(If The Autobots worshipped Thor, JK)(What's Thor got to do with anything?)

It was a joke, based on the little "Thor's hammer" symbol made by reshaping merging the nose and forehead elements. Look closely.

Saber Prime wrote::MINI: Mini-Con
(One of the connector posts rotated 45 degrees)(Um, the conector ports are just round pegs. You can turn them around all you like but it's still just going to look like the symbol for the sun and Apolo. Mini-con symbol is just an M for Mini-con, it's not designed to look like anything other than that.)

Look at one of those ports again. The actual post that does the connecting is, indeed, a simple 5mm post with a 2mm hole in it. But look at the base. It's a raised baveled square with hollowed corners.

Saber Prime wrote:And now that I'm thinking about it isn't there allso another variation of the Decepticon symbol that has 3 points in the center piece insted of just 2? It's not listed with the rest of them but I belive I saw it with someone refering to it as "the 3 pronged Decepticon" or something to that effect.

The three point symbol was an animation mistake that was just never corrected throughout the original series. The design artists looked at the styalized Decepticon symbol


And mistook the middle as another point on the crest, and made this

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote::MINI: Mini-Con
(One of the connector posts rotated 45 degrees)(Um, the conector ports are just round pegs. You can turn them around all you like but it's still just going to look like the symbol for the sun and Apolo. Mini-con symbol is just an M for Mini-con, it's not designed to look like anything other than that.)

Look at one of those ports again. The actual post that does the connecting is, indeed, a simple 5mm post with a 2mm hole in it. But look at the base. It's a raised baveled square with hollowed corners.

What are you talking about, 5mm post with a 2mm hole? You're making no sence.

Saber, each of the corners of the diamond in the symbol is a 5mm post with a 2mm hole in it, connected by the straight sides. The Mini-Con "M" is inside that.

Raymond T. wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: Death's Head (What the heck is Death's Head?)

Death's Head is the Bounty Hunter Character that plays a rather big part in the Time Wars saga of the UK Marvel Comics.

Bounty hunter? Freelance peacekeeping agent, yes?

Warthog wrote:Saber, each of the corners of the diamond in the symbol is a 5mm post with a 2mm hole in it, connected by the straight sides. The Mini-Con "M" is inside that.

OK lets refraise the question. What the heck is #mm? I don't know what you're talking about.

I always noticed the Decepticon logo and Soundwave's head, but thought I was imagining things.

Glad to know I was not.

Stormwolf wrote:

Raymond T. wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: Death's Head (What the heck is Death's Head?)

Death's Head is the Bounty Hunter Character that plays a rather big part in the Time Wars saga of the UK Marvel Comics.

Bounty hunter? Freelance peacekeeping agent, yes?

I didn't say he WAS a Bounty Hunter. I said he PLAYS a Bounty Hunter CHARATER, no!

Saber Prime wrote:

Warthog wrote:Saber, each of the corners of the diamond in the symbol is a 5mm post with a 2mm hole in it, connected by the straight sides. The Mini-Con "M" is inside that.

OK lets refraise the question. What the heck is #mm? I don't know what you're talking about.

It's the metric system, how most of the world does measurements. mm is milimeters.