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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:46 pm

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Burn wrote:I personally watched the whole damn thing. I sat through and endured the animation style which I detest, the annoying human characters (except Fanzone, I liked him), and some of the worst jokes i've ever heard.
In that case, since you have seen it all and genuinely did not enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's your opinion and you have given acceptable reasons to back it.

The only thing I had said was unfair was to judge something based entirely on its outward appearance. You have fully experienced the Animated cartoon series, giving it a fair viewing chance. But you did not find it to be enjoyable due to its art design, its human cast, and its type of humor. None of this appealed to you and that is acceptable.

You gave it a decent chance, but it failed to appeal to you. Therefore, your opinion is justified.


I've watched enough Animated to formulate my opinion. I've seen enough to know I don't find it particularly aesthetically pleasing. Whats wrong with that?
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:10 pm

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Burn wrote:I personally watched the whole damn thing. I sat through and endured the animation style which I detest, the annoying human characters (except Fanzone, I liked him), and some of the worst jokes i've ever heard.
In that case, since you have seen it all and genuinely did not enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's your opinion and you have given acceptable reasons to back it.

The only thing I had said was unfair was to judge something based entirely on its outward appearance. You have fully experienced the Animated cartoon series, giving it a fair viewing chance. But you did not find it to be enjoyable due to its art design, its human cast, and its type of humor. None of this appealed to you and that is acceptable.

You gave it a decent chance, but it failed to appeal to you. Therefore, your opinion is justified.


I've watched enough Animated to formulate my opinion. I've seen enough to know I don't find it particularly aesthetically pleasing. Whats wrong with that?
Well, there's more to a series than mere aesthetics. Burn also dislikes its appearance, but provided further reasons to support his opinion saying that it wasn't just the looks but the human characters and the overall scheme of the humor that he didn't like. Though, while he said that he's seen all of it (and based his opinions of it off that entirety), you say that you've only seen some of it. Have you at least gotten through to the better parts like the season 1 finale or into season 2? Otherwise, viewing only a select few episodes doesn't do this series justice.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:46 pm

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Burn wrote:I personally watched the whole damn thing. I sat through and endured the animation style which I detest, the annoying human characters (except Fanzone, I liked him), and some of the worst jokes i've ever heard.
In that case, since you have seen it all and genuinely did not enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's your opinion and you have given acceptable reasons to back it.

The only thing I had said was unfair was to judge something based entirely on its outward appearance. You have fully experienced the Animated cartoon series, giving it a fair viewing chance. But you did not find it to be enjoyable due to its art design, its human cast, and its type of humor. None of this appealed to you and that is acceptable.

You gave it a decent chance, but it failed to appeal to you. Therefore, your opinion is justified.


I've watched enough Animated to formulate my opinion. I've seen enough to know I don't find it particularly aesthetically pleasing. Whats wrong with that?
Well, there's more to a series than mere aesthetics. Burn also dislikes its appearance, but provided further reasons to support his opinion saying that it wasn't just the looks but the human characters and the overall scheme of the humor that he didn't like. Though, while he said that he's seen all of it (and based his opinions of it off that entirety), you say that you've only seen some of it. Have you at least gotten through to the better parts like the season 1 finale or into season 2? Otherwise, viewing only a select few episodes doesn't do this series justice.


True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Noideaforaname » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:49 pm

*I've only seen G1, BW, BM, Animated, and Prime*

Favorite
Beast Wars (yessssss) - animal alt modes and nostalgia mostly, though the characterization and storytelling is great, and it manages to mix in humor without being... bonkers

Least Favorite
Beast Machines - a bit unfair to call this a "bad" show, as most of it's problems were caused by it directly continuing --awkwardly-- from BW.
The character designs bugged me, especially their faces. Now, I love the Movie Decepticons and Quintessons, and they have some ugly mugs, but they are supposed to be ugly. Beast Machines faces look like an attempt to humanize TFs gone terribly, terribly wrong.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Burn » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:16 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.


You're entitled to your opinion mate, don't let any other fool judge or tell you otherwise. They're the ones with the problems, not you.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:20 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.


You're entitled to your opinion mate, don't let any other fool judge or tell you otherwise. They're the ones with the problems, not you.


Thanks mate, I really appreciate that.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:56 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's only if such a single aspect clouds the entirety of one's better judgement of the overall scheme of things that it becomes an issue.

Noideaforaname wrote:Least Favorite
Beast Machines - a bit unfair to call this a "bad" show, as most of it's problems were caused by it directly continuing --awkwardly-- from BW.
The character designs bugged me, especially their faces. Now, I love the Movie Decepticons and Quintessons, and they have some ugly mugs, but they are supposed to be ugly. Beast Machines faces look like an attempt to humanize TFs gone terribly, terribly wrong.
Oh, yes. BM is by no means a bad show. It had a lot of effort and competance put into it, which shows. But, I can definitely see how it fails in the eyes of many.

The continuity errors with past series are abundant, yes. This was due to them wanting to create it as self-contained series without having to rely too much on the specific details that had been established by previous fiction. The problem with that is that it simply doesn't work like that in this franchise. On its own, the continuity of BM is pretty solid. But coupled with its predecessors and problems arise. Had the makers been more open-minded to the history of what they were dealing with, then maybe things could have worked out for the better. But in this case, the discrepencies of canon tend to come off as forced retcons that needed to be mended by external media (i.e. - the 3H and Fun Pub Beast Era fiction).

As for the character designs, yes, they were very different and some of the most original designs seen in the whole franchise up to that point of history. However, some of them were just... weird. Rattrap especially (no legs and just wheels for feet, not to mention his unfamiliar face :roll: ). These freakish designs could easily be major turn-offs for any fan, but I think that's part of schitck of BM. It was trying to be so different that it would be like nothing ever seen before, for better or for worse.

Though, I honestly don't really mind some of these designs. Optimus had this "body builder" look that gave off a sense of power and might. Cheetor had this lanky, yet swift-looking physique that reflected his advanced agility and almost athletic manuevers. Blackarachnia had a leen, feminine, and creepy-looking form, which fit her "ex-con" nature and mysterious atmosphere.

And the Vehicons all looked kinda cool in their own right. They definitely had that "alien vehicle" feel to them, especially with their vehicle altmodes having heads where the cockpits on Earth versions of their altmodes would be. One thing that never really made sense to me was how Cybertronian vehicle altmodes always had cockpits/windwhields/driver's seats on them when they barely have anyone ride in them or pilot them (transport characters notwithstanding). All those ever seemed to serve were the purpose of vision. With the Vehicons they deviate from this conformity and actually have full heads as or in place of their altmode cockpits. It may look odd, but it works just the same and surprisingly makes sense in a way.

Then there's also the case of the awkwardly directed character development. But's that's a whole can of worms that need not be opened. :-B
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:00 pm

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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Midnight_Fox » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:23 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's only if such a single aspect clouds the entirety of one's better judgement of the overall scheme of things that it becomes an issue.


It only seems to be an issue because you're making it an issue. It's NOT an issue in reality. For a visual medium like cartoons, aesthetics are a large part of the appeal. Yes, story and character development are important, but if you don't like how it looks visual, then you most likely won't enjoy watching it. Why subject your eyes to something you don't like looking at?

It's the same reason I couldn't watch more than a few episodes of Beast Wars.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:06 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:True, but I still don't like the way it looks, that's just my own personal preference.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's only if such a single aspect clouds the entirety of one's better judgement of the overall scheme of things that it becomes an issue.


It only seems to be an issue because you're making it an issue. It's NOT an issue in reality. For a visual medium like cartoons, aesthetics are a large part of the appeal. Yes, story and character development are important, but if you don't like how it looks visual, then you most likely won't enjoy watching it. Why subject your eyes to something you don't like looking at?

It's the same reason I couldn't watch more than a few episodes of Beast Wars.
All I'm trying to say is that just because something looks lackluster doesn't mean that everything about it is lackluster.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Godzillabot Primal » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:00 pm

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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby DJLazer » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:09 pm

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The best is g1. :D
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby prowl123 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:32 pm

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There's been more than 8 depending on whether you count Japanese only series or not.

I think as a show Beastwars was the best, and Armada the worst.


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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby DoctorZero986 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:54 pm

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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby JetOptimus23 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:25 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:15 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)
Don't bother. It's hard to defend Animated against its dislikers.

I agree with you about Energon, though. But, Cyber Missions and Universe were even more lackluster.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby JetOptimus23 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:54 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)
Don't bother. It's hard to defend Animated against its dislikers.

I agree with you about Energon, though. But, Cyber Missions and Universe were even more lackluster.


Yeah, but those weren't really mainstream. They weren't meant to be on TV. Energon was also TF's 20th aniverssery...
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Archanubis » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:09 pm

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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby DJLazer » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:23 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:48 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)




You haven't said anything, lazerwave217. You just quoted his quote with no response.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby zenosaurus_x » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:25 am

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My favorites are Animated and Beast Wars, oddly enough I used to hate Animated....
But the fact that Blackout was in it got me interested then I got addicted...

Least favorite? Energon by far, I hated it from episode 1. Kicker was incredibly annoying to me...and every episode I watched, I felt like it had skipped 3 episodes in-between.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby DJLazer » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:48 pm

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lazerwave217 wrote:The best is g1. :D
the suckish one of all is animated. :BOOM:


So TFA's well written dialouge and excellent animation beat out Energon's nonsense & Dull Suprise animation? Not to mention G1 season 3 & RiD? I'm sorry, but Animated isn't THAT bad. You are entitled to your opinion, but I urge you to reconsider. Energon was an abomination with few (if any) strong points. It was like a slice of crap in the otherwise fresh sandwich of the Unicron Trilogy. Anywas, I withdraw. Please don't think i'm flaming you, and Animated has weak points too. Okay i'll shut up now. I-)




You haven't said anything, lazerwave217. You just quoted his quote with no response.

was in a hurry had to go somewhere.
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Predaprince » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:56 pm

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and you still haven't responded, so what was the point of merely stating you were in a hurry. If you were in such a hurry that you couldn't write a sentence, then why did you come to the thread and quote him in the first place?
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Re: Favorite and Worst Shows

Postby Gamegirl27 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:49 pm

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Since it's hard to pick, I'll categorize every show I've seen thus far.

Best: G1, Beast Wars, Armada, Cybertron, and Prime
Worst: Energon, Beast Machines, and Animated
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