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Siren Prime wrote:Yeah, crazy, super-macho girls like that sorta scare me.
It only the entertainment world could find a happy medium.

Not super hard-core, but not a damsel in distress either...

Heh I got nothing against a strong woman(which isnt just a phyiscal thing), as I seem chase a few in real life. (like my ex was a foot taller than me.) If its done right it can be a wonderful thing to witness, as they re like a force of nature, they just blow me away hehe.I know a couple girls who can kick some major butt in RL so I have a healthy respect for both sexes.

Theres room for all sorts when comes to anything. Even in the case of female transformers.

Lastjustice wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:Yeah, crazy, super-macho girls like that sorta scare me.
It only the entertainment world could find a happy medium.

Not super hard-core, but not a damsel in distress either...

Heh I got nothing against a strong woman(which isnt just a phyiscal thing), as I seem chase a few in real life. (like my ex was a foot taller than me.) If its done right it can be a wonderful thing to witness, as they re like a force of nature, they just blow me away hehe.I know a couple girls who can kick some major butt in RL so I have a healthy respect for both sexes.

Theres room for all sorts when comes to anything. Even in the case of female transformers.

Ah, but note I said crazy.
No problem with kick butt. But cruel and phychoic isn't as much fun.

LOL. Well, I guess it CAN be if you're into that sort of thing. XD
I'd like to say I'm a strong woman, at least mentally. I'm too short to be intimidating the other way.

Ah, but note I said crazy.
No problem with kick butt. But cruel and phychoic isn't as much fun.

LOL. Well, I guess it CAN be if you're into that sort of thing. XD
I'd like to say I'm a strong woman, at least mentally. I'm too short to be intimidating the other way.

Oh crazy, that seems be usually in the mix for me too hehe. (thinks to himself all them he knows that way.) yeah but I dont tell them that to their faces, I like remaining in tact. As I said on the transformer you are thread.

Id say G1 or BW silverbolt.

For G1 silverbolt, Im afraid of heights, but overcome it as I need to.(good bye cruel world!) When someone else is in trouble I think nothing of myself and response swiftly. Im the second oldest sibling, and oldest male so I m always looking over my other 4 too. I have a strong sense of honor, duty, and justice. Also I love jets though hehe and am huge aerial bot fan.


BW silverbolt is also a knight in shining armor most the time, but his relationship with women , (blackaracnia) alot like how my love life seems go heh. I seems always end up with the bad girls haha. May be they just want to corrupt me(and I always seem want to save them.), or whatever the deal is, as cant seem fall for a girl who hasnt broken the law at some point. (oh the stories I could tell...)


I always try be the hero if i can, as silverbolt does. I feel hes character feel fits best of the series, in both his incarnation. (dinobot be another runner up though.)

So yeah I got that part covered. As for being a Mini bot, I understand I came out of a smaller mold too(wolverine sized at 5'4"), and wish be a voyager class. Doesnt mean you cant be as imtidating or tough though hehe. Even as a girl. (thinks back one girl who was 5'0" he dated who punched a guy who was like 6'3" and put him on his skidplate in a single blow.) Nothing scarier than a woman scorn. Nothing! Though I get you re more the rainbows and unicorns sort hehe, but I have been wrong before.

SO no-one went with Grendel's/IDW publishing version of why there are fem-bots like Arcee, thunderblast and Flamewar. Personally the story line that Jhiaxus just decided to experiment with gender is fine with me and according to the Transformers Spotlight - Arcee issue (but doesn't that make her actually a lady boy?) it neatly explains TF gender without the need for reproduction.

After all if we have female transformers, why not gaybots and lesbots as well - thankyou Jhiaxus! I've always thought Optimus' and Megatron's personal vendetta had an homoerotic undertone to it, what better way to end the civil war than them kissing and making up?

*IMAGE REMOVED DUE TO COMPLAINTS OF SEXUALITY*

Re: FEMALE TRANSFORMERS????

Postby airscreamman on Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:53 pm
so you want all the guy tfs to be gay

airscreamman

Oh airscreaman why not, why not.

After all if we have female transformers, why not gaybots and lesbots as well - thankyou Jhiaxus! I've always thought Optimus' and Megatron's personal vendetta had an homoerotic undertone to it, what better way to end the civil war than them kissing and making up?

I d rather not have transformers turn into a blowhorn for equality simply for sake of doing so.(political agendas of any sort dont need be in it.Its big freaking robots fighting each other. I wanna read a polictical statement Id watch or read Xmen.) The sexuality of transformers has always been left fairly ambigeous, I dont see any reason bring it front and center regardless whos nuts and bolts are being involved. Given their able to shapeshift, true sexuality can never be defined anyways. Its aimed at younger audiences alot of times so doesnt really have much place in the series. (though feel free make all fanfics about you like.)

I for one never looked for those things, so it never came across that way. I suppose you look for it, then you draw conlusions you re looking to make. Just like alot of people try claim Tracks was gay. ( for more info http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tracks ) I just saw him as a bot who loved his own image alittle too much heh.

Those might be a big issue for you given your name and imagery in your sig. I think stating freedom is the right of all sentient life is voicing enough on that subject. Meaning they stand for everyones freedom, and whatever that entails without the need push specfics.

Lastjustice wrote:I for one never looked for those things, so it never came across that way. I suppose you look for it, then you draw conlusions you're looking to make.

Which, I've noticed, happens a lot.

Lastjustice wrote:Just like alot of people try claim Tracks was gay. ( for more info http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tracks ) I just saw him as a bot who loved his own image alittle too much heh.

Hahaha!! XD
I'm not sure why, but that sounds hilarious. A little too narcissistic for our own good, eh Tracks?

Never saw much of him. I must have been watching the wrong TF series.

Hahaha!! XD
I'm not sure why, but that sounds hilarious. A little too narcissistic for our own good, eh Tracks?

I liked tracks, he was around mostly in season 2. Likely due to fact he was a jet car like a bond vechile or Thunderhawk from M.A.S.K. which is cool in itself. I guess him saying "Keep San Francisco clean - LEAVE! " probably didnt help people drawing that conclusion about him, but I never saw that way. He was just a vain showboat. But so were the aerial bots(besides silverbolt, slingshot was really full of himself), and people joked about Red alert and Infernos bromance borderlining that on the wiki profile for them. (though inferno was shown have a girl friend.)I just take as people reading more into stuff than the cartoon ever implied.

Lastjustice wrote:

Hahaha!! XD
I'm not sure why, but that sounds hilarious. A little too narcissistic for our own good, eh Tracks?

I liked tracks, he was around mostly in season 2. Likely due to fact he was a jet car like a bond vechile or Thunderhawk from M.A.S.K. which is cool in itself. I guess him saying "Keep San Francisco clean - LEAVE! " probably didnt help people drawing that conclusion about him, but I never saw that way. He was just a vain showboat. But so were the aerial bots(besides silverbolt, slingshot was really full of himself), and people joked about Red alert and Infernos bromance borderlining that on the wiki profile for them. (though inferno was shown have a girl friend.)I just take as people reading more into stuff than the cartoon ever implied.

Sorry if that was taken the wrong way. I probably would have loved the character too if I had seen or read about him more. I was just making an off hand statement.

And anyway (even though it isn't really related to this thread) a healthy bit of narcissism is a good thing.
It's part of your pyschological self-worth.

But it is funny that he'd be worried about it during battles, where he could quite possibly get his head blown off.

Lastjustice wrote:

After all if we have female transformers, why not gaybots and lesbots as well - thankyou Jhiaxus! I've always thought Optimus' and Megatron's personal vendetta had an homoerotic undertone to it, what better way to end the civil war than them kissing and making up?

I d rather not have transformers turn into a blowhorn for equality simply for sake of doing so.(political agendas of any sort dont need be in it.Its big freaking robots fighting each other. I wanna read a polictical statement Id watch or read Xmen.) The sexuality of transformers has always been left fairly ambigeous, I dont see any reason bring it front and center regardless whos nuts and bolts are being involved. Given their able to shapeshift, true sexuality can never be defined anyways. Its aimed at younger audiences alot of times so doesnt really have much place in the series. (though feel free make all fanfics about you like.)

I for one never looked for those things, so it never came across that way. I suppose you look for it, then you draw conlusions you re looking to make. Just like alot of people try claim Tracks was gay. ( for more info http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tracks ) I just saw him as a bot who loved his own image alittle too much heh.

Those might be a big issue for you given your name and imagery in your sig. I think stating freedom is the right of all sentient life is voicing enough on that subject. Meaning they stand for everyones freedom, and whatever that entails without the need push specfics.

Actually we all know Starscream was gay, Jazz was Black and Arcee was female, and we all know they're token marketing gimmicks and not political correctness (which I'm just having a laugh at). Just because people are trying to make up some canonical reason for the way they are. As for tracks; well being narcissitic (egotistical self-love) doesn't mean you're gay, just self-involved.

Sorry if that was taken the wrong way. I probably would have loved the character too if I had seen or read about him more. I was just making an off hand statement.

No biggie, just was stating I liked Tracks. Im not upset the least as I take what you said as a lighthearted reply, no harm done.

Actually we all know Starscream was gay, Jazz was Black and Arcee was female, and we all know they're token marketing gimmicks and not political correctness (which I'm just having a laugh at).

Im not sure what makes you say screamer was gay. (Other than stating it as a joke heh.) Jazz wasnt black, as robots dont have a race, and his paint job was clearly white and had same features as any other bot even if he was voiced by a black actor. Transformers didnt really follow any human based races or features. They had various speech patterns and obviously their origins arent those parts of the world.(such outback talks like hes an aussie or Skylynx talked like he was british.) Im guessing if you had a bunch of them watchign humans they d pick whatever they felt comfortable as the speech style they d roll with.

Arcee was one of dozens of autobot females over the years. Which she didnt even havea toy in G1 despite all the face time she had. She didnt receive one till 2001. If she was a marketing gimick, she wasnt a very good one then since she wasnt selling anything. (same with Botanica in beast machines didnt have a toy either.) Guess they figured boys didnt wanna buy a girl character, especially pink ones. Even all girl bots like Elita 1 in G1 never had any toys despite being a number of them.

I guess they existed to have some sort of different types of bots, but never really went into why they were there they just were. which IDW did the jhiaxus his experiements as an angle to justify their existence. (kind of like the girl gremlin in gremlins two since they reproduced by water having a girl was unneeded in same regard they re unneeded to reproduce for transformers.) I just take as they re robot who adopt various traits, is that hard accept a few have a closer resemblance to females than males.(I mean be as probable as them actting more masculine if they actted simliar to human personalities at all) I have no probelm with them existing for that reason.

As for tracks; well being narcissitic (egotistical self-love) doesn't mean you're gay, just self-involved.

I agree as thats all they were going for. Which even his wiki profile comments thats only bot he ever showed love toward was himself despite some fans suggesting such.

Okay, ya lost me: can y'all explain to me why robots need to have sexuality at all? Perhaps my filthy mind *boggles* at how they would 'do it', but the whole function of sex and sexuality seems a bit...odd. Please please please explain:

Sex to procreate--we know *that*'s not part of the Transformers equation, right? Anyone ever see a pregnant fembot?

Sexuality as enjoying the sexual act, ummm, not quite sure what part of Giant Killer War 'Bots needs any eros. I mean, I'm sure it gets kinda *lonely* sometimes hiding out from the Decepticons and all, but I'm not sure exactly what 'needs' need fulfilling in that scenario. I can see bots having some sort of Platonic thing going, but the whole idea of sexuality/sensuality really pre-supposes a body that can respond to touch. Last time I checked, metal not particularly responsive, and the sensor arrays necessary to make a 'sexy-feel-me' metal skin would probably take up way too much processing space better put to use figuring out how to stomp the other side into a grease stain. MAN I just outdorked myself there. OVerthinking, much, 'Kitty?

That being said, Starscream's mine. We all know he likes older women.

HK, attracted to narcissists.

I hate getting into these conversations but let me point out some obvious facts......

hellkitty wrote:Sex to procreate--we know *that*'s not part of the Transformers equation, right? Anyone ever see a pregnant fembot?

To be honest we dont know for sure.

We have seen robot children but we never saw how those children come to be.

And there was some comments made by Rattrap that suggest that TF's do have sex.

hellkitty wrote:Sexuality as enjoying the sexual act, ummm, not quite sure what part of Giant Killer War 'Bots needs any eros. I mean, I'm sure it gets kinda *lonely* sometimes hiding out from the Decepticons and all, but I'm not sure exactly what 'needs' need fulfilling in that scenario.

I couldnt answer that but as I said there is canon material that refrances some kind of sexual act.

Granted it was much like a dirty joke but even a joke is based on something real.

hellkitty wrote: I can see bots having some sort of Platonic thing going, but the whole idea of sexuality/sensuality really pre-supposes a body that can respond to touch. Last time I checked, metal not particularly responsive, and the sensor arrays necessary to make a 'sexy-feel-me' metal skin would probably take up way too much processing space better put to use figuring out how to stomp the other side into a grease stain. MAN I just outdorked myself there. OVerthinking, much, 'Kitty?

Actually the idea of a TF's body being sensitive and responsive to touch has been a staple of the TF fiction since its inception.

Think about it....how many times have you seen a TF respond to pain from some superficial injury?????

It their metal skin can feel pain then they can feel pleasure.

The same sensor arrays necessary to make then feel pain would also work to make them feel pleasure and wouldnt take up much more processing space.

In conclusion I'm not trying to say that they do have sex....personally I find the idea a bit unsettling.

But the bases for sexual relationships is completely possible.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I couldnt answer that but as I said there is canon material that refrances some kind of sexual act.

Granted it was much like a dirty joke but even a joke is based on something real.

I don't know some parts of the canon as well as you apparently do--I bow before your greater knowledge in awe. I don't read TF fiction, if by that you mean fanfic. I remember the horrible Bad Old Days of fanfic which was basically illiterate scrawls of Mary Sue-isms. I swore off it then and there, because I teach freshman comp and I get nervous tics around bad grammar. Much less incoherent plotting. Bad dialogue. Execrable characterization. I'm sure fanfic has gotten better since then (it can hardly have gotten *worse*) but I'm still gunshy. If you can point me to one to help me 'heal', much appreciate.

Actually the idea of a TF's body being sensitive and responsive to touch has been a staple of the TF fiction since its inception.

It their metal skin can feel pain then they can feel pleasure.

The same sensor arrays necessary to make then feel pain would also work to make them feel pleasure and wouldnt take up much more processing space.

I was soooo with you up to this point. If you look at say, the animal kingdom here on earth, reception to pain is an *ENTIRELY* different circuit than reception to pleasure. Pain is an avoidance mechanism--say an animal steps on a thorn--ouch! Animal learns not to step there again. Survival depends on it. Pleasure, however, is NOT a survival mechanism. I know, I know, you're going to say that sexual pleasure leads to procreation, but that's such a *human* thing to say. In the animal kingdom, again, not a lot of animals (especially not females!) experience any pleasure in the sexual act at all. Female chimps look bored. Lionesses? "Are you done yet?" Garter snake gals have been known to just slither off mid-act--which, incidentally, is why male garter snakes have more than one penis--one might get ripped off this way! Female cats actually experience considerable *pain* in mating.

So, let's just say for the sake of el argumento that TFs experience sexual pleasure just like humans, without (necessarily) procreative consequences. It would still require an entirely different set of sensors and processors. Which would require non-survival-based processing space. Which, for giant warbots, might be evolutionarily obsolete. But let's say I'm an idiot (entirely possible) and that they have somehow worked out a parallel sensor array beyond my feeble ken. That would mean they experience pain and pleasure through the same circuits.

Or, in da simple English, that would make them all masochists.

Just sayin'.

In conclusion I'm not trying to say that they do have sex....personally I find the idea a bit unsettling.

So with you on that.

But if we're wrong, Starscream's a masochist. And he's *mine*. (*THWACK*)

HK, dizzy with her own geekdom.

While theres been plenty of dirty jokes referenced in beast wars by ratrap about silverbolt and black aracnia going at it(not that i wanna figure out how a wolf-griffon and spider go at it..). Though in their case they were shown have organic urges based off their forms(such as one episode they lost the shielding from energon in their base, and were finding their beastial instincts taking over.), so very likely they d do the act and enjoy it even if wasnt a requirement of their bodies. As tarntulas did comment about consuming fluids from animals and transformers for said reason.

Whether this applies to all types of transformers or simply techno-organic ones I cant say. But its there. In G1 prime was shown have a female of interest with ariel/elita 1. As well did Powerglide with moonracer, ironhide with chromia, and inferno with firestar. (red seems make you a stud on cybertron heh.) What exactly them being a couple they did, no oens sure, but they have girl friends.

And lets not even touch the humanoid/transformers love interests(powerglide which he cheats on moonracers in the girl who loved power glide, seaspray and some mergirl, and hotrod in an artifical human body and a girl), as its already confusing enough with them sticking to their own heh.

Lastjustice wrote:(red seems make you a stud on cybertron heh.)

Yeah, no kidding!! HAHA!!
RED IS HOT!!


Anyway the robots do have other sensations besides pain.
For example, the other day I went to Half Price Books and bought a whole bunch of TF comics.

And in one of them Ratchet was getting fixed up by human mechanic (the mechanic didn't know that he was working on a giant metal robot of course). The mechanic was talking to Ratchet's hologram human self.
He tweaked with the suspension a bit and asked the hologram, "How's that?"

Ratchet accidentally replied with a, "Actually, that kind of tickles."

And then it the movie of course we have Ratchet stumbling into a few power cords and being tripped and shocked.
Then he gets up and says, "Wow, that's tingly. You gotta try that."
He obviously enjoyed it to some extent.

So we've got painful. Ticklish. Tingly.
Pleasure doesn't seem very far-fetched to me. And not even in any romantic or sexual sense.
You know how good it feels in a hot shower (or whatever temperature you like)? It does not seem unlikely to me that Transformers could not feel comfortable or relaxed or pleased in a similar situation.
Not a shower exactly, but perhaps some other kind of self maintence or leisure activity.

Feeling sensations is just that. We humans are the ones that assign names to different sensations. But it's all just one fuction.
If TF's can get hurt and really feel and tell that they are hurt, then other sensations go hand in hand with that.

Yeah, no kidding!! HAHA!!
RED IS HOT!!

No wonder girls always went for tommy and jason, always passing over the blue ranger. (dumps his wardrobe since blue his favorite color, and has tons of blue and darker colors.)

Feeling sensations is just that. We humans are the ones that assign names to different sensations. But it's all just one fuction.
If TF's can get hurt and really feel and tell that they are hurt, then other sensations go hand in hand with that.

Im with ya as all sense of touch. Except for rusty. "Look no pain receptors." hehe.

hellkitty wrote:I don't know some parts of the canon as well as you apparently do--I bow before your greater knowledge in awe. I don't read TF fiction, if by that you mean fanfic.

I wasnt refering to fan fic.

I'm talking about the innuendo-ish jokes made by Rattrap to Silverbolt and Blackaragnia in the Beast Wars cartoon.

As I said they werent direct comments....but they were full of sexual innuendo.

Now truht be told thats not saying much but for the jokes to be understood there has to be a common frame of refrance.

hellkitty wrote:I was soooo with you up to this point. If you look at say, the animal kingdom here on earth, reception to pain is an *ENTIRELY* different circuit than reception to pleasure. Pain is an avoidance mechanism--say an animal steps on a thorn--ouch! Animal learns not to step there again. Survival depends on it. Pleasure, however, is NOT a survival mechanism.

All of which is irrelevant to my main point which was that TF skin has proven to be responsive to touch....but since you brought it up......

The sexual pleasure center of the brain is not that far from the pain center of the brain....which tends to lead to misdirection of stimuli to the brain.Hence those that are sexually turned on by pain.

And regardless of it being different "circuits" ,as you called it, they are all part of one big system....so while different stimuli may provoke a different response in the brain, how the stimuli is collected and delivered to the brain remains the same.

hellkitty wrote: I know, I know, you're going to say that sexual pleasure leads to procreation, but that's such a *human* thing to say. In the animal kingdom, again, not a lot of animals (especially not females!) experience any pleasure in the sexual act at all. Female chimps look bored. Lionesses? "Are you done yet?" Garter snake gals have been known to just slither off mid-act--which, incidentally, is why male garter snakes have more than one penis--one might get ripped off this way! Female cats actually experience considerable *pain* in mating.

I actually wasnt going to go there at all.

hellkitty wrote: So, let's just say for the sake of el argumento that TFs experience sexual pleasure just like humans, without (necessarily) procreative consequences. It would still require an entirely different set of sensors and processors. Which would require non-survival-based processing space.

I dont agree.

I'm not pretending to be a rocket scientist or anything but even in out bodies we dont have different systems to gather the stimuli.

The circuits in our brain that receive the info may be different but out sensor system remains the same.

The nerve endings in out fingers, hands feet, excreta, gather the information by touching/feeling and deliver the info to our brains.

So wether your tickled or pinched on the arm...its the same nervs endings that are being stimulated.

hellkitty wrote: Which, for giant warbots, might be evolutionarily obsolete.

I dont see why physical pleasure of any type would be obsolete.

And there's evidence suggesting its not.

I've seen episodes of different TF shows where you can see a tf enjoying a good bath in some kind of fluid.

Sometimes they even comment and say something like, "boy does that feel good".

No for as to wether its logical for a race to enjoy the act of sex when there's no reproduction I couldnt say but the same sensors that deliver pleasure from a warm bath would be the same to deliver pleasure from sexual activity.

Lastjustice wrote:

Yeah, no kidding!! HAHA!!
RED IS HOT!!

No wonder girls always went for tommy and jason, always passing over the blue ranger. (dumps his wardrobe since blue his favorite color, and has tons of blue and darker colors.)

Meh, don't worry about it. My wardrobe sounds almost exactly like your's. Mostly blues and blacks.

I actually love most colors. Red is just one of my top faves.

Lastjustice wrote:

Feeling sensations is just that. We humans are the ones that assign names to different sensations. But it's all just one fuction.
If TF's can get hurt and really feel and tell that they are hurt, then other sensations go hand in hand with that.

Im with ya as all sense of touch. Except for rusty. "Look no pain receptors." hehe.

LOL!!
Yeah, rust actually sounds extremely uncomfortable when you think about it from a robotic point of view.

Meh, don't worry about it. My wardrobe sounds almost exactly like your's. Mostly blues and blacks.

I actually love most colors. Red is just one of my top faves.

I was joking siren heh. Im happy with my clothes, I was just making light of it and using power rangers as a reference. (though the blue ranger Billy was the only original ranger have a nonranger GF needing rescue hehe.) I always loved blue, might be partly Im also a huge megaman fan heh.(also another robot series about kicking butt too.)


Red is fine, just not a color I wear alot of. Plus needs be washed by itself. But cant be a cheesy super patriot without it (runs off in his captain america style outfit.)

LOL!!
Yeah, rust actually sounds extremely uncomfortable when you think about it from a robotic point of view.

I was referring to show/comic of big guy(Big guy was actually a guy piloting a mech but no one knew, not even rusty.) and rusty. Rusty is alittle robot boy who is constantly getting hit, and would shrug it off then and stand up responding hey no pain receptors. He did actually feel pain one episode, and suddenly stopped being so brave. Was a awesome show, as was funny, and cool at the same time as had serious parts too.

hellkitty wrote: Which, for giant warbots, might be evolutionarily obsolete.

I don't know why everyone says "warbots".
The Transformers didn't evolve as war machines. Matter of fact, many would rather there be no fighting at all.

Fighting and combat are not hard wired into the TFs.
As proven by many examples of Transformer training camps, combat is a learned ability.
Like people, they don't HAVE to go to these camps. They go because they WANT to contribute to the war effort.
If warfare was an attribute gained through evolution, they'd be prepared for it at anytime. There would be no need for robot "boot camp".

Though it feels like it, we've got to remember that the Transformers have not always been fighting. They existed as just another species with their own society and their own civilians and culture.
It wasn't until conflict surfaced that they became warriors and even now I'm sure their are a good number that aren't on the front lines.

And if we go back to the topic of Transformers having the ability to feel different sensations, what I just said supports the idea that they feel pleasent sensations just as well as other sensations.
If we think back to the life of a Transformer before war, what would be the problem with feeling comfortable or nice? They're just citizens.

And we can't say that they "evolved out of it".
In the concepts of evolution, traits are only lost once they have no use or become hindering.
I don't think that having the ability to percieve a sensation as pleasurable as a hinderance. I'm sure the TFs actually appreciate it with all the hell they have to go through.

Warbots? Let's see: I quote from the theme song of GI: "Autobots WAGE THEIR BATTLES TO DESTROY the evil forces of the Decepticons." Sounds kinda militaristic to me. Plus the fact that every single one of them is weaponized? What am I missing?

Of course this whole issue revolves down to this: where do you draw the "Suspension of Disbelief" line? Some people (obviously no one here) would say--giant robots who speak English? Ri*donk*ulous.

So, most of us accept that the line is somewhat east of there: we accept giant robots who have humanoid features, are by and large bipedal, and speak human languages and have recognizable human emotions. That's the baseline.

As for the rest, well, it gets tricky. Say, for example, I write in a story "Barricade adjusted the fall of the pink frilly dress over his chassis, debating what color lipstick he should wear." Now, after the hardcore Barricade fans have stomped me into paste in protest, even the rest of you would most likely protest, saying something like, "Stupid kitty! Robots *don't wear clothes*, and thus *can't be transvestites*".

Fair point, right?

Ooooookay, so then, where am I wrong for saying, hey, they don't have genitals either (that I know of--it started as a kids' cartoon!) so thus how can they have sex?

Or look at it this way: in any great fantasy or sci fi series where the rules are different from ours, we expect consistency, and limitation. When I create a fantasy world, if there's magic in it, my reader will accept, okay there's magic here. But that reader will want, at some point, to know a) that there are limitations (nothing's more boring that Magic Solves Everything) and b) that there's some reason, and c) consequences. I create a world, for example, where only the men have magic, or there's time travel, or there are telepathic dragons, or some such. Reader says, okey-doke, but as things unfold I'd better have some explanation as to how that happened (cosmogony) and it better have some fallout in the plot (some people who can't hear dragons think my protagonist is bonkers, etc).

The pro-robosex camp doesn't seem to be able to provide any of that. As much fanfic as there is out there about Transformers and naughtiness, I'd expect someone to have laid the groundwork of plausibility.

And then be able to explain, okay, you push the Suspension of Disbelief line way out there to include sex--so, what is off limits? Is robo-transvestitism off limits? Sadomasochism? Robo-pedophilia? Bestiality? Once you move that line to include sex and sexuality, you *have* to consider how much your reader is going to be willing to swallow. Yurk. Bad wording.

Now I'm going to go put the ball gag back in Starscream's mouth. He's talking again.

HK.

hellkitty wrote:Or look at it this way: in any great fantasy or sci fi series where the rules are different from ours, we expect consistency, and limitation. When I create a fantasy world, if there's magic in it, my reader will accept, okay there's magic here. But that reader will want, at some point, to know a) that there are limitations (nothing's more boring that Magic Solves Everything) and b) that there's some reason, and c) consequences. I create a world, for example, where only the men have magic, or there's time travel, or there are telepathic dragons, or some such. Reader says, okey-doke, but as things unfold I'd better have some explanation as to how that happened (cosmogony) and it better have some fallout in the plot (some people who can't hear dragons think my protagonist is bonkers, etc).

The pro-robosex camp doesn't seem to be able to provide any of that. As much fanfic as there is out there about Transformers and naughtiness, I'd expect someone to have laid the groundwork of plausibility.

Just to be clear I'm on the fence on the idea of robo sex.

But there is a proponent of the "Robo-sex camp" that has written [in a sence] fan fiction that could be said to be the "ground work" your looking for.

His name was "TRAMP".He was once a member here, and about 4 other sites I was also a member at, but he was banned for trying to push his views on others.

That dark time was known as "THE TRAMP WARS".

You can most likely find some of his old post here....you can also do a search on Google.Type in Tramp Transformers fansites.

original sin wrote:Then why is Arcee considered female?

being a soldier isn't feminine

We had more than a few female Infantry soldiers in my battalion, some major hotties to beat the notion of them being sweathogs.

As I remember, Strika wasn't/isn't the most feminine looking character and she was female. I don't see the issue here.

hellkitty wrote:Warbots? Let's see: I quote from the theme song of GI: "Autobots WAGE THEIR BATTLES TO DESTROY the evil forces of the Decepticons." Sounds kinda militaristic to me. Plus the fact that every single one of them is weaponized? What am I missing?

I think you missed what I was saying. And I've completely dropped the whole sexual thing. I'm on a different page right now. I'm talking about their ability to sense comfortable and pleasent sensations. That's different from arrousal or whatever you what to call it.
You where saying earlier that you think that the "warbots" probably evolved out of the ability to appreciate something that feels good because it isn't a survival requirement the way pain could be considered. I disagree.

What they are like now is entirely different from what they were originally.

"Autobots wage there battles..." yada, yada, and so forth. Once again I think you missed where I was saying. They didn't become warriors until conflict broke out on Cybertron.
The fact that they are weaponized? It's called upgrades. They start off as just plain protoforms, with no alts or weapons. Just hand to hand abilities. Think like the HMW game on this site (I don't know if you play that).

The Transformers I think could have been originally compared to people. People aren't born as fighters, but you enlist in the army and become one.

But granted since the Transformers war has been dragged out for eons, I'm sure that TF's without some sort of combat anything are few and far between.
I'm just saying that they aren't created as weapons. They are a species that where just supposed to live out there day to day lives. Except with the Decepticons. I'm sure many are created with full intent on them being in the war effort.

Sorry if my post here isn't as convincing or clear as I normally try to make them. I'm tired.

hellkitty wrote:Now I'm going to go put the ball gag back in Starscream's mouth. He's talking again.

Darn... one of us must have a clone. He's tied up in my garrage.

Siren Prime wrote:The Transformers I think could have been originally compared to people. People aren't born as fighters, but you enlist in the army and become one.

BZZZZZZ. People *are* born as fighters. That is, if you buy into evolution. Look at our nearest ancestors, the apes. Orangutans rape, gorillas kill each other, and chimpanzees (with whom we share over 99% of our DNA) organize homicidal raids into the territories of other chimp tribes. Humans are evolutionarily violent critters. Don't believe me? Go to Wal-mart on a Saturday afternoon and watch the children. Or go to a toy store of your choice before Christmas and watch parents fighting over a toy. Or look at the popularity of UFC. Professional wrestling. The violent language used to describe sports (that team 'murdered' the other team, or 'crushed' them, or 'bloodbath', etc). Or, you could just see what happens when you drive on the LIE and some jerk cuts you off. Tell me you don't feel a *little teensy bit* like performing an act of violence?

Army doesn't *make* you a fighter, it just gives you an arena where it's morally acceptable. (For the record, I served 4 years in the Army.) The 'adjustment issues' most soldiers returning home face are from the fact that they deployed for years to an area where violence was the first, best option. That comes more naturally than most of us actually want to admit. We have to LEARN to turn it off when we get stateside. Learn, as in, it's conscious effort. As in, not Natural.

I'm just saying that they aren't created as weapons. They are a species that where just supposed to live out there day to day lives. Except with the Decepticons. I'm sure many are created with full intent on them being in the war effort.

Sooooo, I'm wrong about war-machines, except about Decepticons? That seems a reasonable compromise to me. We cool?

hellkitty wrote:Now I'm going to go put the ball gag back in Starscream's mouth. He's talking again.

Darn... one of us must have a clone. He's tied up in my garrage. [/quote]

I'm older, so mine's probably the original. Unless you're willing to compromise again--can I have the Bay Starscream? He desperately needs a spanking.

HK, trying desperately hard to put off writing a quiz.