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Barricade wrote:ok idk how steven speilberg did it but how in the heck did the movie get a pg13 rating.... dont get me wrong i'm 1,000,000,000% not a hater but i brought my 12 year old little sister to it and a couple parts i had to say to my self "omg i shouldnt have brought her"...

1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4 were what made me regret bringing her

- The middle finger is so mild (by todays standard) I've seen it fly in PG films. Really not a big deal (again, by todays standards).
- I've herd worse. The occasional "****", and "damn" wont make a film R rated. Takes alot more than that.
- Again, not the worst of whats been allowed in a PG-13 film. It was so quick as well, where it wasn't a big deal.
- Masturbation? I'm not gonna touch that. If the mention of "masturbation" in a film bothers you and your family, then that's something you're gonna have to deal with personally. But by no means if that an alarm for a rating above PG, in my book.
- LOL at this. Action/Sci-Fi flick. You should have expected deaths in the film.

You need to re-examine the rating system. PG-13 means, "no nudity, but everything else" majority of the time.

i know intividually it's fine but all togetheri think they should have cut those scenes out instead of.... oh lets say the optimus vs. barricade final battle.....

Viral wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok idk how steven speilberg did it but how in the heck did the movie get a pg13 rating.... dont get me wrong i'm 1,000,000,000% not a hater but i brought my 12 year old little sister to it and a couple parts i had to say to my self "omg i shouldnt have brought her"...

1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4 were what made me regret bringing her

- The middle finger is so mild (by todays standard) I've seen it fly in PG films. Really not a big deal (again, by todays standards).
- I've herd worse. The occasional "****", and "damn" wont make a film R rated. Takes alot more than that.
- Again, not the worst of whats been allowed in a PG-13 film. It was so quick as well, where it wasn't a big deal.
- Masturbation? I'm not gonna touch that. If the mention of "masturbation" in a film bothers you and your family, then that's something you're gonna have to deal with personally. But by no means if that an alarm for a rating above PG, in my book.
- LOL at this. Action/Sci-Fi flick. You should have expected deaths in the film.

You need to re-examine the rating system. PG-13 means, "no nudity, but everything else" majority of the time.

Totally agree with you.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:There were a lot of kids at the showing I went to, and, like I told the Mrs., it's not a kids movie. They were right for giving it a PG-13.
BTW, did anyone notice that every time some said "what the" or "mother" they were cutting out another word, like "f*ck". Might be some truth to the whole rumor about it having to be recut to avoid an R.

You're correct. It's a family movie, which means parts of it fit for every member of the family. Kids to adults. Not always is a family movie the perfect fit, however.

I for one am glad they didn't use the f-word. I'd have left right then (and I'm 100% serious too.)

There's no reason to have that kind of language in something like this. Kills the fun for some people and everyone should be able to have fun and enjoy this film.

It's supposed to bring the kid out in you, not the foul mouthed little brat who needs a whuppin'.

I'm in 100% agreement with you. If they had sad "f*ck* it would have ruined it for me, but it still felt like they had said it, and cut it out. It's really noticable in the scene where Scorpinok attacks the village. Glad you meantioned that. I did get a bit tired of the shaky cam. I know it worked for Firefly and Battlestar Galactica but it didn't fit TF.

NOTE: I put two of your quotes together, so it would be easier to respond.

Yes, I did catch the edited language, which still pissed me off. They did an excellent job of cutting it, but it's enough that most kids know what it is.

The shaky cam worked so well for Firefly/Serenity because it was used more in chase scenes, and story scenes, but made it look like it was old time rustic (like the theme implies) but without hurting the material itself.

Bay used the shaky cam right in the middle of the most pivotal points of each battle, so much so I have no idea how Megatron had defeated Prime and had him down on the ground, disabled and beaten to hell. I mean I saw it, but I didn't. It was all filtered in by my eyeballs but my brain just didn't have the speed to process it, and many other scenes. This is definitely a "see it more than once" kinda movie, so you can take in all the visuals.

Problem is, you shouldn't have to. Simple as that. (I gladly will though. )

[quote="Barricade"]
1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4...[/quote

I am still scratching my head over the rating.

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Barricade wrote:1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4...[/quote

I am still scratching my head over the rating.

I've seen worse.

PG:

Howard The Duck, Dark Overlord's Tongue. (Gross, if not a little intimidating for kids.)

Raiders Of The Lost Ark, people's faces melting off.

PG-13:

Temple Of Doom, pulling beating hearts out of chests.

Revenge Of The Sith, catching fire and burning from head to toe, inside and out. Implied death of children.


Plus both ratings have had excessive sex and language that are innumerable.

TransFormers pales in comparison to those movies. This is nothing.

Look again at my post about how movies get rated. All the examples you gave are from movies with big names at the wheel.

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:Look again at my post about how movies get rated. All the examples you gave are from movies with big names at the wheel.

Doesn't change the fact that TF is timid by comparison. Big name clout or not.

Not really disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that big money will always get the rating you want.

Ask Kevin Smith about the crap he went through to keep Jersey Girl from getting an NC-17 just because Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler where talking about masturbation?

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:Not really disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that big money will always get the rating you want.

Ask Kevin Smith about the crap he went through to keep Jersey Girl from getting an NC-17 just because Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler where talking about masturbation?

NC-17? O_o...I think they did that just to screw with him because he goes against the grain. It's also a ridiculous abuse of power in my mind...

I didn't really have a big problem with some of those scene themselves, I just didnt think they were necessary in a movie like this or they could have went about them a little more subtly. Its was getting to the point after a while where it was like they were trying to hard to get more humor or crude humor in there.

Airtigatron wrote:I didn't really have a big problem with some of those scene themselves, I just didnt think they were necessary in a movie like this or they could have went about them a little more subtly. Its was getting to the point after a while where it was like they were trying to hard to get more humor or crude humor in there.

QFT.

You put it better than I could. It was like they were just beating you with the crude humor after awhile. I almost started looking at my ticket stub to see if I accidentally did not walk into the film "Knocked-Up", or some other such nonsense frat-humor flick.

It was just so juvenille.

"NC-17? O_o...I think they did that just to screw with him because he goes against the grain. It's also a ridiculous abuse of power in my mind..."

It is more then just the fact that he goes against the grain. It is the fact that he was a newcomer who took all his credit cards and made a movie that made more money then some big name films. (Clerks). And that money was not aquired by but kissing his way into the movie industry. He works with Miramax now, but he still represents that independant film makers can make movies and succeed. That is dangerous to big names like Disney, Paramount, and WB.

As for an abuse of power? Absolutely. That is the point. Remember what I said about the appeals panel you have to go to if you want to refute a rating is made up of corporate representives of all the major filmmaking Companies?

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:Not really disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that big money will always get the rating you want.

Ask Kevin Smith about the crap he went through to keep Jersey Girl from getting an NC-17 just because Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler where talking about masturbation?

I borrowed "This Film Not Yet Rated" from the libary. I was shocked at how many indy films are given NC-17, but when a "major" film has the same thing, it's given an R or PG-13.

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:It is more then just the fact that he goes against the grain. It is the fact that he was a newcomer who took all his credit cards and made a movie that made more money then some big name films. (Clerks). And that money was not aquired by but kissing his way into the movie industry. He works with Miramax now, but he still represents that independant film makers can make movies and succeed. That is dangerous to big names like Disney, Paramount, and WB.

But Miramax is owned by Disney.

heres a question were the kids you brought to the movie 13? if yes then ur trying to hide ur kids from something they will learn in school. if under 13 and u brought them to see the movie stfu there not 13 and u brought them so dont whine about the rating.

Are there kids out there who haven't masturbated by age 13? I know I wasn't one of them...



It's not like it's something they aren't going to figure out on their own anyway.

Autobot032 wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Barricade wrote:1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4...[/quote

I am still scratching my head over the rating.

I've seen worse.

PG:

Howard The Duck, Dark Overlord's Tongue. (Gross, if not a little intimidating for kids.)

Raiders Of The Lost Ark, people's faces melting off.

PG-13:

Temple Of Doom, pulling beating hearts out of chests.

Revenge Of The Sith, catching fire and burning from head to toe, inside and out. Implied death of children.


Plus both ratings have had excessive sex and language that are innumerable.

TransFormers pales in comparison to those movies. This is nothing.

Also, for those who think that nudity and sensuality = R check it out. Somehow Titanic got a PG-13. The only way this stuff can be explained is what Rodimus said earlier in this thread.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800026398/info

My overall feeling is that if Titanic and Jurassic Park were PG-13 TF should be PG-13. I wouldn't take any kids under say 9 to this movie. Maybe a little younger than that depending on the kid-parent relationship.

For myself, I was 7 when JP came out and my parents didn't let me see it until it came out on video, in retrospect I agree with the decision.

Still there are people who really don't pay attention to ratings at all. I know even my aunt and grandmother wanted me to take my 4 and 6 year old cousins to see it... My reply was "No, they're way too young for this movie"

Hi-Q wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:I noticed lots of parents with small children taking their kids out of the theater when I saw it tonight; and I kinda got the impression from one mother talking on the way out after the film that she kinda expected it be like a cartoon aimed primarily at little kids.

...maybe she should have paid more attention to the PG-13 rating, then....

Now if it had the rating Return of The Sith had, then it would be understandable...

EDIT: Ditto on the whole "masturbation by 13." Everyone finds out, mistake or not...

The MPAA is stupid, but this is the exact rating the movie should have gotten based on their standards. And here's the incredibly easy to look up information:

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

But here's the best part:

PG-13 places larger responsibilities on parents for their children and moviegoing. The voluntary rating system is not a surrogate parent, nor should it be. It cannot, and should not, insert itself in family decisions that only parents can make. Its purpose is to give pre-screened informational warnings, so that parents can form their own judgments. PG-13 is designed to make parental decisions easier for films between PG and R.

edit: But seriously, the MPAA is completely idiotic.

cyclonus11 wrote:Are there kids out there who haven't masturbated by age 13? I know I wasn't one of them...



It's not like it's something they aren't going to figure out on their own anyway.

Unless they're quadriplegic.

Sloptank wrote:

cyclonus11 wrote:Are there kids out there who haven't masturbated by age 13? I know I wasn't one of them...

:HEADHURTS:

It's not like it's something they aren't going to figure out on their own anyway.

Unless they're quadriplegic.

For your info, I was "of legal age"...>_>...and we'll just leave it at that. Yes, I was a sheltered child, VERY sheltered. Even so, I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been in the movie. I cracked up so bad! I just think that it's something that parents should be more careful about these days. After all, PG-13 is one of the next highest ratings, it's one step away from R, so you should be cautious. I went into it thinking it would be sort of a kid's movie, and I definitelly don't think it is anymore. I don't like it any less because of it, though, I like it even more, because it was made so that it catered to people my age. I just know that there were some things that might have scared kids or made parents have bad situations, and am pretty glad I don't have any of my own. But again, though, it should be up to the parents to keep an eye on what they take their children to see, to make sure it doesn't have anything that they wouldn't want them to see.

On the subject of the cursing, I thought it was actually good the way they didn't drop the F bomb, even when they hinted at it. It seems like that's all you hear in movies nowadays, and it was nice for me to hear them hint at it, but not actually use it. I don't mind foul language, I use it all the time, but there are just times in movies when I really don't want to hear that sort of stuff.

I do remember Frenzy saying 'Ohshit' really fast when he died, and the car dealer saying "If I had a brick I'd throw it upside your head you old b*tch" or something like that.

Barricade wrote:ok idk how steven speilberg did it but how in the heck did the movie get a pg13 rating.... dont get me wrong i'm 1,000,000,000% not a hater but i brought my 12 year old little sister to it and a couple parts i had to say to my self "omg i shouldnt have brought her"...

1. middle finger
2. language
3. guy getting impaled my scorpy's stinger
4. parents asking sam if he was masterbating
5. people getting disintigeated by blackout's shockblast attack

those are just 5 examples
but only 1,2,3,and 4 were what made me regret bringing her

Well i meen pg-13 does meen teenagers and the 2 movies i went to there were a couple of 5-8 year olds. I meen its just obsurd that people do that.