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I'm in complete agreement with lanzajr. Rumble is the only Alternator I have that had a simple transformation but all the Alternators I have feel a lot more durable than the movie toys I have.

Death Broker wrote:the only one im worried about is the '74 BB his hips are looser than a two dollar whore

puts a new spin on "Bumblebee! Stop lubricating the man!"

One thing I miss with the new toys that have wheels?

Rubber tires. :(

Well, Leader Prime and Ultimate Bumblebee have rubber tires.

upther wrote:I'm in complete agreement with lanzajr. Rumble is the only Alternator I have that had a simple transformation but all the Alternators I have feel a lot more durable than the movie toys I have.

Prowl/Camshaft and Jaguar Ravage are also easy to transform.

megatroptimus wrote:

upther wrote:I'm in complete agreement with lanzajr. Rumble is the only Alternator I have that had a simple transformation but all the Alternators I have feel a lot more durable than the movie toys I have.

Prowl/Camshaft and Jaguar Ravage are also easy to transform.

We're glad you think so, comparatively speaking so are all the movie toys. Your point?

lanzajr26 wrote:We're glad you think so, comparatively speaking so are all the movie toys. Your point?

That's where you're entirely wrong : several movie figures are MUCH more complex than Alternators (especially the ones mentionned). Leader Prime, Leader Brawl, '08 BB, Dropkick, Ironhide, etc. Some figures smaller than Altetnators achieve more complex transformations, not even mentionning that they have automorph gimmicks when Alternators have zero gimmicks.

I think the automorph gimmicks are pretty pointless and stupid. I really don't see how Jazz, Barricade, or Bonecrusher are any more complex than Alt Ravage. I'd much rather have a highly detailed Alternator over a gimmicky cheap feeling movie toy.

Movie Voyager Ironhide is by far the most difficult time I've ever had transforming a figure. Leader Prime gave me no trouble at all, however.

the automorph gimmick is good when used right.
and that's only been one toy now, the 08 bb.
it has automorphing power in the torso and on each leg.
they way it should be if they are going to do it.
ironhide's sucks becuase of said gimmick, he has no ankles to pose. that's why it's not great for every figure.
blackout? hahah, his tail rotor is longer than his damned legs, and he's lunging forward.. nice work hasbro.
needless to say:
alternators at 10x more posable than 90% of the movie toys.
wait till you get payload, have fun trying to stand that **** up.

You either don't own a lot of Alternators or you have a very short-term memory because most Alternators are not very poseable.

Sideswipe/Deadend/Sunstreaker : almost no leg poseability
Windcharger/Deceptichar : almost no leg poseability
Hound/Rollbar/Swindle : odd shoulder articulation and hard to pose legs
Optimus Prime/Nemesis Prime : hard to pose legs
Tracks/Battler Ravage : hard to pose legs
Rumble : hard to pose legs and arms
That leaves about 3 poseable molds : Subaru/Mazda (pretty much the same thing), Scion and Mustang. That's not a lot. Now I could give you a pretty long list of movie toys that are more poseable.

And for the record, I've had Payload weeks before it was sighted at retail and his articulation is excellent and I don't have problems balancing him.

Noobatron wrote:Movie Voyager Ironhide is by far the most difficult time I've ever had transforming a figure. Leader Prime gave me no trouble at all, however.

Yet Leader Prime is a much more complex figure than Alternators Prime.

megatroptimus wrote:

Noobatron wrote:Movie Voyager Ironhide is by far the most difficult time I've ever had transforming a figure. Leader Prime gave me no trouble at all, however.

Yet Leader Prime is a much more complex figure than Alternators Prime.

I don't think you should be able to compare Leader Class Movie Prime to Alternator Prime.

There are two size classes and $20 worth of plastics in difference.

Now, is Movie Ironhide any more complex than Alternator Prime?

Not really, no.

I own plenty of the movie figures and with the acception of the first time I transformed them I didn't feel like they were of poor quality in terms of material. Now I think some of them have poor design features, such as Deluxe Brawls arms, but I don't feel they'll fall apart in my hands or wear out any more then other TFs I own.

Wodicus wrote:I own plenty of the movie figures and with the acception of the first time I transformed them I didn't feel like they were of poor quality in terms of material. Now I think some of them have poor design features, such as Deluxe Brawls arms, but I don't feel they'll fall apart in my hands or wear out any more then other TFs I own.

How many Transformers do you own?

Compare delux Brawl to any other tank Transformer in the past 10 years. There's not a lot of specifics any of us can give, but the plastics feel more akin to cheap chinese knock offs rather than the durable plastics we've seen in the AEC block of toys.

megatroptimus wrote:You either don't own a lot of Alternators or you have a very short-term memory because most Alternators are not very poseable.

Sideswipe/Deadend/Sunstreaker : almost no leg poseability
Windcharger/Deceptichar : almost no leg poseability
Hound/Rollbar/Swindle : odd shoulder articulation and hard to pose legs
Optimus Prime/Nemesis Prime : hard to pose legs
Tracks/Battler Ravage : hard to pose legs
Rumble : hard to pose legs and arms
That leaves about 3 poseable molds : Subaru/Mazda (pretty much the same thing), Scion and Mustang. That's not a lot. Now I could give you a pretty long list of movie toys that are more poseable.

gonna have to disagree, since i have them all.
i'll give you the s2000 mold sucks for leg posing (ie windcharger), but all the rest can be made into quite fun battle poses.
movie wise, let's see:
voyager ops, no waste movement, you can pose him like a zombie
ironhide, no ankles. he can stand!
blacout.. no good movement at all on this con, tail rotor too long, no waist or leg movement
voyager megs, kinda but his feet never "lock" so doing posing on the legs is a pain in the ass.
screamer? wow, you can move the arms and chicken feet. no torso or waist movement also
dreadwing, well he has good posability even wif his widdle legs, but his arms outweigh his whole body.
so to say that alts are less posable.. my good man, 80% of them have at least leg, ankle, waist, torso movement.
thank you.

megatroptimus wrote:And for the record, I've had Payload weeks before it was sighted at retail and his articulation is excellent and I don't have problems balancing him.

what.. do you want a cookie?
his chest grab thingy makes his almost impossible to balance.
the only thing that keeps long arm standing upright, not being drug down by his huge arm cannon, is his huge duck feet.

i'm having the same problem with optimus' toes, i'm starting to have trouble keeping them up cus the s[ring is starting to get weak and doesnt keep the mechanism in its correct place

I got leader class megatron and havem't noticed any stress marks or breakage, but I'll keep an eye out. as for the paint coming off, I plan on repainting him to be more movie accurate anyway

megatroptimus wrote:

lanzajr26 wrote:We're glad you think so, comparatively speaking so are all the movie toys. Your point?

That's where you're entirely wrong : several movie figures are MUCH more complex than Alternators (especially the ones mentionned). Leader Prime, Leader Brawl, '08 BB, Dropkick, Ironhide, etc. Some figures smaller than Altetnators achieve more complex transformations, not even mentionning that they have automorph gimmicks when Alternators have zero gimmicks.

Apparently reading comprehension isn't on the order for today, so I bolded the part you missed. I didn't say this was true across the ENTIRE line. There will always be exceptions but that's not what we're talking about.

decepticonjon wrote:wait till you get payload, have fun trying to stand that **** up.

For once, we agree.

I finally got it figured out just right, but those first few times were nothing short of nervewracking. I couldn't figure out what the issue was (I knew it was the plunger device, but he was still falling over even after I shifted his weight forward.)

I'm still not quite sure how I did it, but he's balancing now. *shrugs*

Autobot032 wrote:

decepticonjon wrote:wait till you get payload, have fun trying to stand that **** up.

For once, we agree.

I finally got it figured out just right, but those first few times were nothing short of nervewracking. I couldn't figure out what the issue was (I knew it was the plunger device, but he was still falling over even after I shifted his weight forward.)

I'm still not quite sure how I did it, but he's balancing now. *shrugs*

i have the plunger pushed halfway so the "tongs" grab the outsides of his chest. balances the guy out nicely.. but he just looks odd. but i have shelves, and that damned plunger is like 8 inches of rear space.
oh, hello mr. dremmel

megatroptimus wrote:Well, Leader Prime and Ultimate Bumblebee have rubber tires.

Ah, I don't have either of those. Though Costo Leader Prime is coming in the mail this week.


Anyway, yeah. I agree with voyager Ironhide being hard to transform. He was in vehicle mode for weeks, because I was afraid to transform him back. I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

And now Voyager Prime is currently in that state -- Robot mode. Haha. He's stuck in robot mode because I forgot how I transformed him. (Reversing the instructions was always something I was bad at.) I'll get him back to vehicle mode, but it'll probably take 30 minutes.

voyager ops, no waste movement, you can pose him like a zombie

Lie. He can take awesome dynamic poses.

ironhide, no ankles. he can stand!

WTF is that retarded argument? Most Transformers are not poseable at the ankles. And guess what? I can pose my Ironhide just fine. Learn how to "play" with your stuff dude.

voyager megs, kinda but his feet never "lock" so doing posing on the legs is a pain in the ass.

But he still poses great. What's your point here? Too lazy to do the posing?

screamer? wow, you can move the arms and chicken feet. no torso or waist movement also

Again, that's a stupid requirement that doesn't do anything.

dreadwing, well he has good posability even wif his widdle legs, but his arms outweigh his whole body.

He's different by design. Transformers don't have to follow human proportions.

so to say that alts are less posable.. my good man, 80% of them have at least leg, ankle, waist, torso movement.

Oh, the joints are there, you just can't use them efficiently.


what.. do you want a cookie?
his chest grab thingy makes his almost impossible to balance.
the only thing that keeps long arm standing upright, not being drug down by his huge arm cannon, is his huge duck feet.

You're really running out of things to complain about, right? Pathetic.

I finally realized what made me think of Swindle straight away in my first post.

The first time I transformed the little red bugger, his plastic felt to me like the same kind of plastic used in my $5 KO Defensor figure.

And I got more plastic in my $5 KO than I did with my $20 (on sale) Swindle figure.

lanzajr26 wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:Plastic quality hasn't changed, it's the complexity of the toys that changed, requiring more and smaller/thinner parts to achieve transformation. Back then, you would transform a huge solid block of the same plastic 1-2-3, but now it's more 1-2-3-4-5-...-20.

Then why don't Alternators suffer this same problem? Sure some of them have spots that feel like they'll snap in half during transformation but on the whole they are pretty solid. Overall they are just as complex yet still feel more durable than the Voyager or Deluxe movie toys.

I agree Alts are one of the few TF lines I bought loose along w/MISB ones of course. The ALTS so far are doing great, much better plastic at least from my experience they appear to be.