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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Galactic Prime » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:30 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.


Did you even Watch Transformers Prime? There's more character development in that whole series than in 13 yeards of bad comics.

I am inclined to agree with Prime being a good example of character development (in some cases, it is not perfect and I am told I am in the minority in this viewpoint). But we cannot forget Animated either. Beast Wars, Animated, IDW, and to a lesser extent, Prime, have been great character based shows. There are reasons they are the things that have stuck around and will continue to stick around: they made us care for them, in ways we didn't know we could.

My favorite Transformers characters come from these series. And it's funny really that Animated was about a revolution more than a war and involved maintenance bots, Beast Wars was also outside a great war and was more a group fighting back in time, and half of IDW has been set after the war ended. 2 and a half out of 4 occurring outside a "Great War" is pretty dang good there.


I agree with you on Animated, that was a stellar show. Beast Wars and IDW however, no.... just no....
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:48 pm

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Animated needs more love, did they ever release full season boxsets for that?
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Ironhidensh » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:31 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Galactic Prime wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.

Did you even Watch Transformers Prime? There's more character development in that whole series than in 13 yeards of bad comics.

I am inclined to agree with Prime being a good example of character development (in some cases, it is not perfect and I am told I am in the minority in this viewpoint). But we cannot forget Animated either. Beast Wars, Animated, IDW, and to a lesser extent, Prime, have been great character based shows. There are reasons they are the things that have stuck around and will continue to stick around: they made us care for them, in ways we didn't know we could.

My favorite Transformers characters come from these series. And it's funny really that Animated was about a revolution more than a war and involved maintenance bots, Beast Wars was also outside a great war and was more a group fighting back in time, and half of IDW has been set after the war ended. 2 and a half out of 4 occurring outside a "Great War" is pretty dang good there.


I have watched Prime. All of it, even Beast Hunters, several times with my kids. Also Animated, RiD, and Rescue bots. All good shows, and I like them very, very much, but they are kids shows. They don't hold a candle to Beast Wars or IDW (of course, this is all my opinion you understand, please don't take personally). Prime comes close, but just didn't really hit heavy enough subjects to really get there.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Galactic Prime » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:05 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Galactic Prime wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.

Did you even Watch Transformers Prime? There's more character development in that whole series than in 13 yeards of bad comics.

I am inclined to agree with Prime being a good example of character development (in some cases, it is not perfect and I am told I am in the minority in this viewpoint). But we cannot forget Animated either. Beast Wars, Animated, IDW, and to a lesser extent, Prime, have been great character based shows. There are reasons they are the things that have stuck around and will continue to stick around: they made us care for them, in ways we didn't know we could.

My favorite Transformers characters come from these series. And it's funny really that Animated was about a revolution more than a war and involved maintenance bots, Beast Wars was also outside a great war and was more a group fighting back in time, and half of IDW has been set after the war ended. 2 and a half out of 4 occurring outside a "Great War" is pretty dang good there.


I have watched Prime. All of it, even Beast Hunters, several times with my kids. Also Animated, RiD, and Rescue bots. All good shows, and I like them very, very much, but they are kids shows. They don't hold a candle to Beast Wars or IDW (of course, this is all my opinion you understand, please don't take personally). Prime comes close, but just didn't really hit heavy enough subjects to really get there.


Ok, before I say anything, this is an honest question.

How can you say that when the Beast Wars series was campy to the point of even death was a joke as none of the characters even really died. Yes I know some of them did die when they introduced transmetals and people love to say "Oh but Code of Honour" is the amazing. Yet they totally diminished what little of that episode was actually good by reviving Dinobot anyway.

Prime however was filled with characters who actually experienced death and hardship in a way none of them in Beast Wars even came close to.

Again, I'm genuinely curious to read your reply. Beast Wars was entertaining, but the ONLY Transformers cartoons I think it's actually better than Is Beast Machines and the Unicron Trilogy. I literally think every other TF show is better.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby starfishy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:29 pm

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:04 pm

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I'm still conflicted on how it will end. You let Unicron win then you leave with a bad taste, especially after 13 years (a year for each prime) but Unicron gets blown up by macguffin/friendship power/whatever then you question why we need a reboot. Most reboots I've read have happen as a result of the ending and with that in mind all I can think of is something akin to transformers cybertron where the destruction of Unicron creates the new universe via temporal shifts.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Dr. Caelus » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:13 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm still conflicted on how it will end. You let Unicron win then you leave with a bad taste, especially after 13 years (a year for each prime) but Unicron gets blown up by macguffin/friendship power/whatever then you question why we need a reboot. Most reboots I've read have happen as a result of the ending and with that in mind all I can think of is something akin to transformers cybertron where the destruction of Unicron creates the new universe via temporal shifts.


I feel like Unicron will lose, but at an incredibly steep price. Either Earth or Cybertron won't survive.

I could imagine them destroying Earth, but then doing an epilogue where we see humanity decades or centuries later spreading across the galaxy alongside Cybertronians and thriving, perhaps even becoming partly Cybertronian themselves (IDW has set up multiple plot threads for that), or colonizing a defeated Unicron.

I could imagine them deciding to go with a super flashy finish and actually have Cybertron transform into Primus and fight it out with Unicron in Earth's Solar System, ultimately sacrificing himself (and Cybertron), but saving humanity.

I gave my forecast for how it will play out several pages ago, but while I want original story-telling, there's a reason some cliches are so successful. I honestly think it'd be a bit disappointing if Unicron is a floating force of nature, and not a demonic entity with a dry sense of humor. I think it'd be a bit disappointing if he doesn't have some heralds to banter and quip with the heroes. I even think it'd be a bit disappointing if they didn't have him cherry-picking deceased or nearly dead Cybertronians and reformatting them, because one-off redesigns like that are fun.

Likewise, having a MacGuffin (e.g., Matrix) that requires collecting a bunch of Mini-MacGuffins (e.g., Primal Relics) makes for a simplistic story-line, but if the procedure for assembling the magic weapon that kills Unicron is easy to explain, that gives them more space for character interaction and development, and I'm fine with that.

Of course, if they really wanted to screw with everyone, they could come back to the old idea of Unicron being a multiversal singularity, and force the IDW characters - good and bad - to defend themselves from an army of cameos pulled from 30+ years of Transformers. It sounds ridiculous, and would probably tick some people off, but I'd love to see movie Cyclonus vs. Lost Light Cyclonus, and movie Galvatron trying relentlessly to murder Rodimus, and being frustrated that IDW Rodimus isn't fighting him the 'right' way. I could see pitting Hook, Line, and Sinker from G1 Marvel against the Solstar Knights and the Dire Wraiths, and sending the Four Horsemen from Armada up against the Windblade and the TAAO line up. War Within Bludgeon vs. IDW Bludgeon. Bring in Shockaract, Sideways, Nemesis Prime, etc. - and then finally pit Optimus Prime against Megatronus/The Fallen.

Actually, that last part seems really likely to actually happen, and I'm actually going to lay down imaginary money that says Pyra Magna gets killed by The Fallen. It'll either be because her declining respect for the Primes causes her to do something stupid, or it'll be because seeing Optimus step up and really be a Prime will inspire her to jump in and sacrifice herself to save him. Either way, she's going to end up dying at the hands of the same guy who killed her goddess.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:24 am

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Alternatively, we let Unicron - who been touted as the Ultimate Destroyer since G1 - actually demonstrate that for the first time in his history?

How about if Unicron Wins? To that end, so food for thought:

1)The Matrix is spent. IDWverse is lacking the MacGuffin/s that kept him at bay in every other Universe.

2) No Heralds, no exposition. Without any dialogue from the Planet Bot, either directly or through emissaries, no weakness is ever discovered and no counterattack formulated.

3) Cybertron summoned Him. The beacon that woke Unicron up came directly from Cybertron. This wasn't making Unicron aware of them by accident ala the G1 comic. A distress call was sent straight to him. I don't think people quite appreciate what a departure that is from Unicron encounters of the past.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:50 am

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To be fair he wasn't summoned in armada he was always their waiting...which was also a huge departure. Also him winning is a kick to those who followed the first continuity of idw. A way around this is of course his destruction does something major to reality, creating the blank slate of the new one to come. You are correct about the matrix but I wouldn't rule it out yet, never doubt the power of the macguffin
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:00 am

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ZeroWolf wrote: Also him winning is a kick to those who followed the first continuity of idw.



Why? As long as they don't give IDWverse as bloodthirsty an ending as Ultimatum, I don't see "the kick"?
Unicron is what he has always been: The Final Boss. Anyone with at least passing knowledge of him shouldn't be counting on any one character's survival when he gets going.

Likewise, The power of Guffaws, Politics and Friendsh..."Conjunx Endura" isn't going to do a thing to him. Even a Metrotitan would barely measure upto Unicron's shin.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:25 am

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I'm sure the primes will play a part of this. Also im pretty sure they'll probably devise a plan where a crack team will enter Unicron, and proceed to use planet destroying bombs on his brain and other vital areas. Obviously the only being able to go toe to toe with Unicron is primus but I don't know why I the distinct feeling they are doing something different with him.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:34 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I'm sure the primes will play a part of this. Also im pretty sure they'll probably devise a plan where a crack team will enter Unicron, and proceed to use planet destroying bombs on his brain and other vital areas. Obviously the only being able to go toe to toe with Unicron is primus but I don't know why I the distinct feeling they are doing something different with him.



Well for one thing, if Primus is Cybertron in IDWverse, he actively sought out Unicron. So that is definitely different. I don't see what the Primes could possibly do to Unicron and as for a "crack team" this is the main caveat with IDWverse, they are weak.

Every previous Unicron encounter has been during the Great War, when the power and resources of the Autobots and Decepticons was at it's peak. Current IDWverse is intentionally post-war, with no unified force. I'm thinking Unicron (ironically) will equate to Beast Planet in Shadow Raiders. The grand plan will be that of escape against the Undefeatable. That the Reboot will start when the last planet in IDWverse dies.

Maybe one survivor will be sent out into the multiverse to find help or some such, but this needs to be an apocalyptic ending for a full reboot immediately after to make sense.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:37 pm

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I think you're reaching a little but maybe that's due to you being anti-Autobot :-P :lol: there's plenty of fodder for a crack team, all they had to do is infiltrate, lay a bomb and thats it really. Unicron will be destroyed but at what cost? I think it's going to be a universe shattering kaboom. Though having characters from this continuity pop up at some point in the next is a good idea, a bit like dark beast ending up in the 616 marvel universe or when miles morales came over
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:49 pm

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Within IDW, the Wreckers are the most capable Autobots. Without his Plot Armour, even Optimus would have been dead several times over by now.
Also, Unicron has Never been that easy to defeat. A bomb :roll:

There exist those who have attempted to stop the destruction of their home world. They have failed. For Unicron devours entire solar systems with numb precision.
He devours moons and planets and stars. Unicron devours life.
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It's about time he lived upto this. Couldn't think of a better time and place for it.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:53 pm

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Except he has been stopped...he's always stopped. Using that as evidence is the same as thinking Megs is scary by going by his g1 bio...then going on to watch sunbow where he loses on a weekly basis.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:01 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Except he has been stopped...he's always stopped.


But what if he wasn't?
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:56 pm

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While idw could say they were the first to let him have his planet and eat it, I can't see them doing it though to be honest, I think they'll be pushing them to the limit but they'll vanquish Unicron or at least damage him enough to maybe slide to the new continuity.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby partholon » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:52 pm

well its worth remembering the LAST time Unicron devoured and entire universe ("stars , planets....even the stuff of space itself ") it DID create a new one !

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:00 pm

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Which continuity was that one again?
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby partholon » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:21 pm

G1 !

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:06 am

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Ahh I'd completely forgotten that one...a bit weird though as if he'd eaten the universe how did his creator survive?
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby partholon » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:05 pm

he didnt have one.

it was furmans second stab at the "transformers origin story" (though first in the US comic) so he was a full on energy being / god when he took out that previous universe.

in the original UK iteration there was armies of gods of light and darkness,with primus and unicron facing off at the end of that conflict, but that all got jettisoned for the US version which is where he first mentions unicron taking out the universe that came before the marvel G1 one.

basically parring down the story to be "unicron takes out universe, new universe's "sentient core" creates anti body in the form of primus to take him out.

personally i always thought there was a story in what happened to their original bodies which were meant to be much much bigger than planets.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:42 pm

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Thanks for the refresh :-) as I say I forgot about it, and the first one sticks more in my mind (and is the one that furman himself talks about in transformers: the ultimate guide)
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Galactic Prime » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm

partholon wrote:he didnt have one.

it was furmans second stab at the "transformers origin story" (though first in the US comic) so he was a full on energy being / god when he took out that previous universe.

in the original UK iteration there was armies of gods of light and darkness,with primus and unicron facing off at the end of that conflict, but that all got jettisoned for the US version which is where he first mentions unicron taking out the universe that came before the marvel G1 one.

basically parring down the story to be "unicron takes out universe, new universe's "sentient core" creates anti body in the form of primus to take him out.

personally i always thought there was a story in what happened to their original bodies which were meant to be much much bigger than planets.


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