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Postby lilcarus » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:18 am

Unicron's Head wrote:The reference to Bumblebee and the Mars probe: in issue one of the prequel comic it shows in the photos that the TF on Mars was clearly Bumblebee. I should have elaborated. And yes, I do accept the comics as a branch of the canon. Always have.


well if you want to accept it as canon then let me help you get it right....they show blackout,screamer and barricade on mars it is in issue 3 of the prequal comic....the picture that you are talking about is the satellite picture from issue 2 when bb landed and sector 7 went to try and track him.
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Postby OmegaExtreme » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:14 pm

Actually, if mind serves me correct, in the movie they stated that the robot on mars, and Blackout have the same endoskeletal structure, indicating they were part of the same collective. Maybe I misunderstood.
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Postby Decepticon Spike » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:05 am

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OmegaExtreme wrote:Actually, if mind serves me correct, in the movie they stated that the robot on mars, and Blackout have the same endoskeletal structure, indicating they were part of the same collective. Maybe I misunderstood.

I thought that was just Sector 7's fancy way of saying that both pictures showed members of the same alien race.
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Postby Auto Bot » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:57 am

OmegaExtreme wrote:Actually, if mind serves me correct, in the movie they stated that the robot on mars, and Blackout have the same endoskeletal structure, indicating they were part of the same collective. Maybe I misunderstood.


That is correct. They belong to the same "species". But not necessary the same bot or the same faction.
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Postby Leonardo » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:31 am

Autobot032 wrote:They found the cube by chance. Witwicky found Megatron by chance. They also noticed that the hieroglyphics on N.B.E. 1 matched them on the cube as well. It told them they were related somehow.

The Allspark got lost in space long, long before Megatron went hunting after it. Like Prime said in the beginning, they searched all over the known universe.

Once they knew the location and realized it was hidden, it was just a waiting game to find it.

The Decepticons were here before the Autobots. I'm sure they found out about Project Iceman, long before they attacked the Soccent Forward Base in Qatar. Once that info traveled, they knew who to go after, and so did Bumblebee. All of the Cybertronians can hear each other's transmissions. It's not that hard of a thing to follow.

Long story short:

1.) Allspark crashed.

2.) Megatron followed, crashed later.

3.) Humans (over the course of a few decades) discovered both and hid them.

4.) The Autobots followed the Decepticons who found Megatron when his guidance system was activated.

5.) The Decepticons were already hidden on Earth, waiting for their moment to strike.

6.) The Autobots sent Bumblebee, once they knew the Decepticons were finding the info.


That doesn't explain how any of the Decepticons (and, subsequently, the Autobots) knew about the Witwicky spectacles, though. Certainly, the Decepticons could have tracked Megatron's 'emissions' once his guidance system was reactivated, and thus could have tracked him to the ice. Also, the Decepticons could have discovered from the web that it was Captain Witwicky that discovered Megatron, but how did the Decepticons learn that the reactivation of Megatron's guidance system burnt a map to the Allspark onto the spectacles? Similarly, how did the Autobots learn the same information, allowing them to send Bumblebee to locate Sam?

Autobot032 wrote:Also, they put Megatron and the Cube together in the same facility because it was large enough to contain the both of them and keep them from being sighted. Stupid yes, braindead by leaps and bounds...but it did work for 70+ years, so for at least a while, they knew what they were doing. Also, our technology was reverse engineered from Megatron (which would give them a chance to carbon date him as well.)


Yes, that's pretty stupid. Why hide an artefact in however-much concrete to hide it from an alien race, and then put an example of that alien race in the same structure?
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Postby Auto Bot » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:17 am

Plot holes!
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Postby Golgo13:Professional » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:01 pm

The cube actually was carbon dated as being on earth sometime around 10,000 BC so that would make it 12,000 as the time it was on earth.

Wait a minute, did the Sector Seven guys say it was that old, or that's when they think it came to Earth? Because the cube is sopposed to be older than time itself.....
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Postby Auto Bot » Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:01 am

Golgo13:Professional wrote:The cube actually was carbon dated as being on earth sometime around 10,000 BC so that would make it 12,000 as the time it was on earth.

Wait a minute, did the Sector Seven guys say it was that old, or that's when they think it came to Earth? Because the cube is sopposed to be older than time itself.....


In the 4 million years of Transformers history, 12,000 years is nothing.
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