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Perhaps people have posed their theories about this before, but I'm new to the forums.

I always wondered watching the G1 cartoon where new characters came from. Obviously, the show never needed to explain (it was just trying to sell toys and introduced them as such), but has anyone ever given an explaination?

I know Megatron had contact with Cybertron and there were various plots with the space bridge, but in Season two when characters like Ramjet show up, why didn't Megatron bring them to earth sooner? You'd think that he'd want as big an invading force as possible. Also, where do the new Autobots come from in season two?

A possible answer is that many Transformers left Cybertron during the last war.

Cybertron was all be depleted of energy and Megatron could have sent teams out to various planets looking for energy. It makes that both sides sent forces away considering that a dwindling energy couldnt sustain a stagnant number of Transformers (sans casualties of course).

During the G-1 cartoon it was intimated that Shockwave was the only Decepticon left on the planet and there werent any Autobots left except for the Elita One's band of female Autobots.

Megatron probably sent out a signal to Decepticons to meet him on Earth.

Well Ramjet and the Coneheads seemto be created on Earth.
And the rest that turned up during season two, well I just think they were always there since season two seams to be a alternet univers.

I think it was once suggested (in the comic?) that the stasis-locked bodies of a few TFs were in a couple of back rooms on the Ark. That would explain the new Autobots. As for Decepticons, I'd say Spacebridge.

MYoung23 wrote:A possible answer is that many Transformers left Cybertron during the last war.

Cybertron was all be depleted of energy and Megatron could have sent teams out to various planets looking for energy. It makes that both sides sent forces away considering that a dwindling energy couldnt sustain a stagnant number of Transformers (sans casualties of course).

During the G-1 cartoon it was intimated that Shockwave was the only Decepticon left on the planet and there werent any Autobots left except for the Elita One's band of female Autobots.

Megatron probably sent out a signal to Decepticons to meet him on Earth.

IUt wasn't no alt univeres!

Most people assume that the Autobots were held in stasis on the ark. They wern't awoken at first because the bots thought they could wrap up their business on Earth quickly, but when they realised they would be here for a long time they decided towake up the reinforcements. The Decepticons simply came through the space bridge. Generic cons and drones are seen in episodes that are mostly set on Cybertron, so there were guys up there apart from Shocky.

Godzilla wrote:

MYoung23 wrote:A possible answer is that many Transformers left Cybertron during the last war.

Cybertron was all be depleted of energy and Megatron could have sent teams out to various planets looking for energy. It makes that both sides sent forces away considering that a dwindling energy couldnt sustain a stagnant number of Transformers (sans casualties of course).

During the G-1 cartoon it was intimated that Shockwave was the only Decepticon left on the planet and there werent any Autobots left except for the Elita One's band of female Autobots.

Megatron probably sent out a signal to Decepticons to meet him on Earth.

IUt wasn't no alt univeres!

Ahem wy are you quoting MYoung23 wen you'r refering to my post?

Well as to the alt universes, Whach more than meets the eys completly, then the next episode, you'll se wy I'm refering to alt universes.
Then whach the last episode of season one coled Heavy Metal War, then explain to me how that would all work out without alt universes.

You're trying to apply real world logic to a cartoon. Since G1 was never a serial all the information built on from one episode to another was null in void. Each episode could do anything it wanted with the characters with no harm done to previous episodes.

Koloth wrote:You're trying to apply real world logic to a cartoon. Since G1 was never a serial all the information built on from one episode to another was null in void. Each episode could do anything it wanted with the characters with no harm done to previous episodes.

Obviously, but that doesn't mean its not fun trying to tie things together and clear up plotpoints or continuity errors just for the heck of it.

I have no problem with having fun. I just think it is silly to take a cartoon to seriously. Especially one with very little to no continuity.

That being said Season two was very strange. The best explaination they could come up with apparently was to have the characters to literally step out from behind a rock and announce themselves. Kind of funny in hindsight though.

No answer was given during the course of the series, so any theory is a valid one. To the writers, they've always been there, they've just never been shown before - and that was as good an explanation as any.

The back room of the Ark has already been mentioned. I heard someone else once say they might have come aboard Omega Supreme when he landed on Earth hunting the Constructicons. Or random little ships that headed to Earth and landed when they heard Prime was still alive.

As for the cons, it's easy to say they came from Cybertron on the Spacebridge. Or aboard Astrotrain when he landed on Earth.

I read somewhere that Furman (or whoever wrote the last eps of BW) wanted the coneheads to appear active on the Nemesis, but it was too expensive to animate, so they scrapped it.

I forget which episode it was, I think it was "The Secret of Omega Supreme" where he stated that he chased the Constructicons to Earth to destroy them, & he followed them, since they were looking for Megatron. So, it's possible that Megatron sent a distress signal to other Decepticons before he & the Autobots/Decepticons crashed on Earth, because I remember him saying that he chased them for millions of years (I think) The Insecticons also landed on Earth at some point.

Then during the time that elapsed between 1985-2005, various sub-factions arrived from Cybertron or were built on Earth (i.e. the Constructicons (Even though this contradicts that they came to Earth & were built on Cybertron), Comabticons, etc, etc) (Go watch Scramble City, you'll see that there are some of the new Autobots/Decepticons on Earth)

And then after the movie there were a lot of new Autobots that just migrated from Cybertron to Earth to man Autobot City, as well as new ones built by each respective faction (Predacons, Terrorcons, Technobots, you get the idea)

Insurgent wrote:I read somewhere that Furman (or whoever wrote the last eps of BW) wanted the coneheads to appear active on the Nemesis, but it was too expensive to animate, so they scrapped it.

Now that would have been interesting to have the coneheads stomping around the beast era guys like giants.

I always wonder where the young autobots and decepticon come from like Arcee and Hot Rod? Do they just build them and let Vector Sigma put in their souls or sparks in them?

Koloth wrote:I have no problem with having fun. I just think it is silly to take a cartoon to seriously. Especially one with very little to no continuity.

That being said Season two was very strange. The best explaination they could come up with apparently was to have the characters to literally step out from behind a rock and announce themselves. Kind of funny in hindsight though.

Yeah, that s**t was funny, Hi, you can call me Perceptor. And I'm Beachcomber....hahahaha!! But, i have to dissagree with complete non assosiation between G1 episodes. Sky Fire was buried in the ice in his apperance episode"Fire in the Sky", and then in "Fire on the Mountain", the Autobots went to the Arctic to dig him up. and also from season 2, The Combaticons were created and defeated and banished from the Earth(along with Starscream)in one episode, and , and in the next they were floating out through space on the same rock, plotting to get back at Megatron for banishing them. Thats two to name a few, but yes, there were also alot of things that didn't add up, but i usually over look that stuff and go with the non conflicting explanation they gave.

Oh, yeah about the new season2 Autobots and Deceps, that stuff was explained in the DreamWave series' first couple of volumes. They came to earth from Cybertron for one reason or another. Those books were supposed to have taken place in the space between the end of season2 and TF:TM. And also see Transformers: The War Within for back stories on all of the characters on Cybertron. Good stories there.

I kept myself from going insane over the course of 20 years by telling myself they were just off- panel. I like the idea of other Autobots/Decepticons being called in from Cybertron or other parts of space.

My favorite idea is that since Cybertron was within short flying distance during the Ultimate Doom, that maybe a bunch of 'bots & 'cons had an easy way of getting off Cybertron and coming to earth. And since there was so much damage done worldwide, the newer Autobots spent a lot of time "off-panel" helping repair the damage done.

I always assumed that once Omega showed up, the Autobots had transportation back and forth to Cybertron - thus all the new faces. And the Decepticons always had their space bridge. Maybe some A-bots snuck in and came through to Earth. The bridge was exploited by the them on several occasions, why not when we weren't looking?

Decepticlone Soundwave wrote:I forget which episode it was, I think it was "The Secret of Omega Supreme" where he stated that he chased the Constructicons to Earth to destroy them, & he followed them, since they were looking for Megatron. So, it's possible that Megatron sent a distress signal to other Decepticons before he & the Autobots/Decepticons crashed on Earth, because I remember him saying that he chased them for millions of years (I think) The Insecticons also landed on Earth at some point.

Then during the time that elapsed between 1985-2005, various sub-factions arrived from Cybertron or were built on Earth (i.e. the Constructicons (Even though this contradicts that they came to Earth & were built on Cybertron), Comabticons, etc, etc) (Go watch Scramble City, you'll see that there are some of the new Autobots/Decepticons on Earth)

And then after the movie there were a lot of new Autobots that just migrated from Cybertron to Earth to man Autobot City, as well as new ones built by each respective faction (Predacons, Terrorcons, Technobots, you get the idea)

Megatron states in the first episode with the Insecticons that they were originally aboard the Nemesis and ejected before it crashed.

He also makes a reference to their internal computers scanning local life forms and giving them their Insect forms. Go watch the episode, it's pretty cool that they did all that in season 1 and made an attempt to explain it.

The marketing department.

Season 1 explained where the new guys came from (except Frenzy in Countdown, but it's safe to assume Soundwave picked him up when he was on Cybertron in the last ep). Even though it later lead to continuity errors with later eps, they were explained. In season 2, they just got lazy with thinking up origins.

I also like the way Megs says the onboard computers gave the Insecticons their insect modes. An early lead in with what the BW guys did.

Meverix wrote:I think it was once suggested (in the comic?) that the stasis-locked bodies of a few TFs were in a couple of back rooms on the Ark. That would explain the new Autobots. As for Decepticons, I'd say Spacebridge.

The comics don't count as far as the show is concerned. No origins were ever given except for Omega Supreme. He tracked the Constructicons for millions of years before following them to Earth. We as fans have to come up with our own ideas. Thank god for the ability to write fanfictions.


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