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A Question I don't know if it has been asked before, Is IDW Bluestreak and Silverstreak different bots coz in the different comics they look different and are doing different things or is this bad continuity?

ausbot wrote:A Question I don't know if it has been asked before, Is IDW Bluestreak and Silverstreak different bots coz in the different comics they look different and are doing different things or is this bad continuity?

I dont think its been revealed yet.

Could be that BlueStreak changed his name when he got to earth or that hes as different bot liuke Bumblebee and Goldbug are.

ausbot wrote:Is IDW Bluestreak and Silverstreak different bots

No. Silverstreak is the name given to Bluestreak because, thanks to the usual copyright hoohah, any toy character in Bluestreak's likeness has been referred to as Silverstreak since the Alternator release in 2003. Of course, for some reason, the comics have largely been able to get away with using the name of characters they're not technically supposed to own.

Of course, since Mike Costa has zero knowledge of the franchise and seems to be mining his plots from every other source imaginable, it's not surprising that he doesn't know that...

Darth Bombshell wrote:No. Silverstreak is the name given to Bluestreak because, thanks to the usual copyright hoohah, any toy character in Bluestreak's likeness has been referred to as Silverstreak since the Alternator release in 2003. Of course, for some reason, the comics have largely been able to get away with using the name of characters they're not technically supposed to own.

Of course, since Mike Costa has zero knowledge of the franchise and seems to be mining his plots from every other source imaginable, it's not surprising that he doesn't know that...

The comics can use whatever name they want in the story. It's the difference between characters and products where the names become an issue. Call the character anything you want (within reason) as long as you don't label the product, be it a toy package or comic cover, with someone elses registered name and you're good. The old Marvel/DC Captain Marvel problem is the best example. DC (well, Fawcett originally) had a Captain Marvel for over 20 when Marvel Comics introduced a character with the same name and even titled the book after him. But all DC owned related to their character was the registration for the title "SHAZAM!" and the character design. Hence, all products based on the Big Red Cheese are called SHAZAM! while in the books he's called Captain Marvel.
To be fair IDW has separated name change characters before: Bumblebee & Goldbug and Megatron & Galvatron. They could be separate characters. I wouldn't mind an official answer myself.

zodconvoy wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:No. Silverstreak is the name given to Bluestreak because, thanks to the usual copyright hoohah, any toy character in Bluestreak's likeness has been referred to as Silverstreak since the Alternator release in 2003. Of course, for some reason, the comics have largely been able to get away with using the name of characters they're not technically supposed to own.

Of course, since Mike Costa has zero knowledge of the franchise and seems to be mining his plots from every other source imaginable, it's not surprising that he doesn't know that...

The comics can use whatever name they want in the story. It's the difference between characters and products where the names become an issue. Call the character anything you want (within reason) as long as you don't label the product, be it a toy package or comic cover, with someone elses registered name and you're good. The old Marvel/DC Captain Marvel problem is the best example. DC (well, Fawcett originally) had a Captain Marvel for over 20 when Marvel Comics introduced a character with the same name and even titled the book after him. But all DC owned related to their character was the registration for the title "SHAZAM!" and the character design. Hence, all products based on the Big Red Cheese are called SHAZAM! while in the books he's called Captain Marvel.
To be fair IDW has separated name change characters before: Bumblebee & Goldbug and Megatron & Galvatron. They could be separate characters. I wouldn't mind an official answer myself.

I can work on getting that answer for you.

It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

Dead Metal wrote:It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

They are the same, and it is due to the HASBRO toys copyrights or trademarks, whichever it is. They own Silverstreak, but not Bluestreak.

tigertracks 24 wrote:They are the same,

You confirmed that?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:They are the same,

You confirmed that?

I did this AM, yes.

tigertracks 24 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:They are the same,

You confirmed that?

I did this AM, yes.

Not to sound rude but.....you usually cite your sources dont you??

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:They are the same,

You confirmed that?

I did this AM, yes.

Not to sound rude but.....you usually cite your sources dont you??

If I was reporting news, yes. This is an 'off the record' answer from someone I am interviewing at IDW.

tigertracks 24 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:They are the same,

You confirmed that?

I did this AM, yes.

Not to sound rude but.....you usually cite your sources dont you??

If I was reporting news, yes. This is an 'off the record' answer from someone I am interviewing at IDW.

Then its not 100% confirmed yet.

And its not that I place any doubt in you or your source, but in my book its not 100% till its confirmed in the story.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Then its not 100% confirmed yet.

And its not that I place any doubt in you or your source, but in my book its not 100% till its confirmed in the story.

Awesome, then I guess you won't get an answer, unless I have him/her answer it in a way that they feel comfortable with, and then it's submitted to HASBRO, and then we post it.

Seriously? I respect your ideas, but...okay.

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

They are the same, and it is due to the HASBRO toys copyrights or trademarks, whichever it is. They own Silverstreak, but not Bluestreak.

Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

Then its not 100% confirmed yet.

And its not that I place any doubt in you or your source, but in my book its not 100% till its confirmed in the story.

If you knew who he was interviewing then you wouldn't say that.

Dead Metal wrote:If you knew who he was interviewing then you wouldn't say that.

Yes I would.

I place very little faith in any content thats outside the story itself.

Writers,directors, producers, creators, owners.....ect, they are all allowed to cite their opinions, concepts and desires for the character/story, but it doesnt always hold true to the continuing story.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:If you knew who he was interviewing then you wouldn't say that.

Yes I would.

I place very little faith in any content thats outside the story itself.

Writers,directors, producers, creators, owners.....ect, they are all allowed to cite their opinions, concepts and desires for the character/story, but it doesnt always hold true to the continuing story.

The reason is that Hasbro lost the trademark to the name, which is the reason why Octane is now called "Tankor".

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:If you knew who he was interviewing then you wouldn't say that.

Yes I would.

I place very little faith in any content thats outside the story itself.

Writers,directors, producers, creators, owners.....ect, they are all allowed to cite their opinions, concepts and desires for the character/story, but it doesnt always hold true to the continuing story.

So you want them to say, in story, that Silverstreak was a renamed Bluestreak? I still have to look up to see where he was called Bluestreak, and then changed to Silverstreak.

Anyway. Answered, however, the satisfaction of the answer, is under scrutiny now, and thus, I cannot add anymore.

Dead Metal wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

They are the same, and it is due to the HASBRO toys copyrights or trademarks, whichever it is. They own Silverstreak, but not Bluestreak.

Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

It was just Takara. Alternator Camshaft was indeed planned as Bluestreak, but since the character was already in the line (the lack of trademark may have been a factor), they turned him into Camshaft instead.

And comics do not follow the same rules as toys do when it comes to names. Comics themselves may use any name they'd like, within reason of course, (look at Movie Jolt/Dead End) but when merchandise comes into play then you get the whole trademark shebang. That's the main reason for the oft-silly explanations.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

They are the same, and it is due to the HASBRO toys copyrights or trademarks, whichever it is. They own Silverstreak, but not Bluestreak.

Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

It was just Takara. Alternator Camshaft was indeed planned as Bluestreak, but since the character was already in the line (the lack of trademark may have been a factor), they turned him into Camshaft instead.

And comics do not follow the same rules as toys do when it comes to names. Comics themselves may use any name they'd like, within reason of course, (look at Movie Jolt/Dead End) but when merchandise comes into play then you get the whole trademark shebang. That's the main reason for the oft-silly explanations.

I know, idw still renames characters according to HAsbro trademarks, especially when the character recently received a new toy. Which is why in the idw comics Octane is called Tankor.

Dead Metal wrote:Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

There was no Alternators "BLUE" Bluestreak.

The Alternators line only released Silverstreak.

Dead Metal wrote:The reason is that Hasbro lost the trademark to the name, which is the reason why Octane is now called "Tankor".

Which is completely irrelevant to a "comic" story or character.

tigertracks 24 wrote:So you want them to say, in story, that Silverstreak was a renamed Bluestreak? I still have to look up to see where he was called Bluestreak, and then changed to Silverstreak.

Some kind of "in story" confirmation....yes.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It would be cool if they where two different characters, since i think Has Tak own the name Bluestreak again, that way we could have both, maybe even as twins/clones.

They are the same, and it is due to the HASBRO toys copyrights or trademarks, whichever it is. They own Silverstreak, but not Bluestreak.

Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

It was just Takara. Alternator Camshaft was indeed planned as Bluestreak, but since the character was already in the line (the lack of trademark may have been a factor), they turned him into Camshaft instead.

And comics do not follow the same rules as toys do when it comes to names. Comics themselves may use any name they'd like, within reason of course, (look at Movie Jolt/Dead End) but when merchandise comes into play then you get the whole trademark shebang. That's the main reason for the oft-silly explanations.

Except my interviewee at IDW comics says they cannot use Bluestreak due to copyright/trademark, and have to use Silverstreak (edit)...

tigertracks 24 wrote:Except my interviewee at IDW comics says they cannot use Bluestreak due to copyright/trademark, and have to use Bluestreak...

They cant use Bluestreak so they have to use Bluestreak..............What???

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Damn then it was just Takara or they lost it since the Alt blue bluestreak.

There was no Alternators "BLUE" Bluestreak.

The Alternators line only released Silverstreak.

Takara, true they called them Binaltech but it's still blue and called Bluestreak.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bluestreak#Alternators

Dead Metal wrote:The reason is that Hasbro lost the trademark to the name, which is the reason why Octane is now called "Tankor".

Which is completely irrelevant to a "comic" story or character.

The comic still calls him Tankor due to Universe Tankor coming out just prior to the series.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:Except my interviewee at IDW comics says they cannot use Bluestreak due to copyright/trademark, and have to use Bluestreak...

They cant use Bluestreak so they have to use Bluestreak..............What???

SILVERSTREAK!!!!!!

Dead Metal wrote:Takara, true they called them Binaltech but it's still blue and called Bluestreak.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bluestreak#Alternators

And yet not part of the "Alternators" like I said.

And as far as I know the name "Bluestreak" appares no where on the toys instructions or package.

The licence plate reads "Impreza"....and as far as I know the plates of all the Binatech line contain the characters name.

The comic still calls him Tankor due to Universe Tankor coming out just prior to the series.

Still irrelevant.

It seems they "chose" to go with Tankor....not that they were forced to do so.

Just look at the use of the Insecticons names, Hot-Rod.

tigertracks 24 wrote:
They cant use Bluestreak so they have to use Bluestreak..............What???

SILVERSTREAK!!!!!! [/quote]

I was just messing with you.