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Sunstar wrote:I remember a vage comment from someone somewhere all you see is megatron drifing into the depths..... No one saw the detonation. Hmmm nailed inthe chest with the allspark... megatron...sunstar says.. Galvatron? cliche but hey

Please...PLEASE!...PLEASE!!!!!!!!

ToosaMay wrote:Again, that's not it.

You want to know? Alright. It's PRODUCT PLACEMENT.

Transformers is filled with shitloads of ads, and it makes me sick. There's a scene where the Allspark sends out a pulse of energy which transforms various machines in the vicinity. Among them:

An Xbox 360
An Ipod
A Scion car
An HP camera
And the entire contents of a Target (with a nice zoom up on the logo)

Why do you think the Autobots are all GM cars, and the Decepticons are all Ford vehicles (except Megatron)?

Bumblebee cannot speak, so he speaks with radio advetisements. One of the first things he says is a Yahoo ad, complete with the "YahoooOOOOoooo!" Then he does a Verizon Wireless "Can you hear me now?" bit.

On top of it, Sector Seven uses Macintosh computers exclusively.

It's sickening. I'm leaving before I get sued.

Only one Decepticon is a Ford vehicle.

Great, lots of product placement. The transforming target is silly. The allspark literally MAKES transformers out of everyday household items? so do these things keep living? go back to normal when the allspark leaves? I hope thats not really in there

Re: brothers. Good job Bay, how long did it take to think that up? "They ruled together" Its so cliche. What broke them up, a fight over a girl? At least megatron isnt Primes father.

"The AllSpark does indeed shapeshift, so it can accommodate Sam's ability to carry it. Yes, he does slam it into Megatron's chest, killing him and apparently destroying the AS in the process. (Which is what keeps the Autobots on Earth, rather than return to Cybertron as they had initially planned.)"

oh so it mass shifts...

"Megatron's body is strapped to a Nuclear Weapon and then dropped into the bottom of the sea."

I guess the humans have to help huh?

(Autobot032, I am quoting you cause I have complaints about all the script points you mentioned, not your post)

What was wrong with the civil war/ quest for energon storyline that Bay had to make them brothers looking for a magic mass shifting cube that can breath life into anything yet is easily destroyed by jamming it into a robot? I hope these spolier are all wrong...so far Spiderman 3 was terrible, Shrek is apparently worse, Pirates I heard is too long....my summers going down fast.

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:What was wrong with the civil war/ quest for energon storyline that Bay had to make them brothers looking for a magic mass shifting cube that can breath life into anything yet is easily destroyed by jamming it into a robot?

I'd like to know that as well.

Leonardo wrote:

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:What was wrong with the civil war/ quest for energon storyline that Bay had to make them brothers looking for a magic mass shifting cube that can breath life into anything yet is easily destroyed by jamming it into a robot?

I'd like to know that as well.

It's magic.

Sheogorath wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:What was wrong with the civil war/ quest for energon storyline that Bay had to make them brothers looking for a magic mass shifting cube that can breath life into anything yet is easily destroyed by jamming it into a robot?

I'd like to know that as well.

It's magic.

Ah. I detect a sense of Spielberg.

It would suck if Jazz died, but I really don't want Ironhide to die, it's bad enough he was killed in the animated movie but to die again in the new movie would be worse. If that happens and if I were Ironhide I'd sue!

someone has to die...I'd rather it be the autobots than the Decepticons...or Starscream...he gets killed enough as it is. Jazz's turn.

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

According to my Dulux colour chart, he's not "Puke Green", he's "Emergency".

Leonardo wrote:According to my Dulux colour chart, he's not "Puke Green", he's "Emergency".

Lmao, Out of all that "Puke Green" is what you pick up on

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

Wow. This is maybe the most ass-backward thing I have ever read. I have to jump around your post a bit b/c you said a lot.

1) There are plenty of Italians who resent the stereotypical portrayal of Italians in cinema. I live in Jersey...trust me. A large Italian contingent protested the filming of the Sopranos in the next town b/c of the offensive content of the show.

2) Africa is not a country. It is a continent. Much of the political turmoil on the continent results from European colonization....drawing artifical boundaries irrespective of the natural historical tribal boundaries that already existed. When the colonial powers left, very recently (last half of the 20th century in many cases), they left no means or infrastructure to use in governing these fake countries. Basically, they came, conquered, did damage...then bounced. The is the probably the most damaging impact that European colonialism has had on the planet. Period. This phenomenon is evident outside Africa (e.g., Eastern Europe, India).

3) Slavery. Very early on, European slavers would trade with local tribes for slaves. Typically these slaves were war prisoners. Shortly after the onset of American slavery, the Eorpean slavery began the kidnapping slaves-raids you hear about. This accounted for the VAST majority of captured slaves. The ones sold into slavery by other African are hardly worth mentioning from a numbers standpoint. Moreover, pre-American slavery was different than what most people think of. In previous forms of slavery, slaves could earn citizenship (or at least their kids). They were allowed to go to school, own property. That is not how it went down here.

4) Stereo-types. Man, you need to meet more Black people. Not all are rap slang talkers. Stereotypes often have some basis in truth. But mainly, it is just people seeing what they want to see....generally to make themselves feel better about themselves. See "In-Group/Out-Group Theory" or "Confirmation Bias". Wiki it. BTW...white people wear basketball shoes too.

5) Reparations. Man, if you don't think that Blacks are owed at least a token of acknowledgment for the part they played in building America, you are a truly evil person. An Italian guy may have "discovered" America, but it was built on the backs of African slaves. This point is not debatable. Anyway, blacks were promised reparations (40 acres/Mule) that were never delivered. So the country reneged. Don't act like th claims are so preposterous.

6) The concept of "mainstream society" is a myth. Stop fooling yourself. African Americans don't call themselves American b/c American doesn't accept Blacks as "true" Americans. Also, they do it for the same reason that Italians still identify with Italy. They originated somewhere else. There is a measure of ancestral pride in the term "Africa American". I see people with Italian flags or British flag decals all the time. Why is that so threating? At least all other people that immigrated to this land can trace roots back to somewhere. Blacks cannot. Hence their indentification with an entire continent. Black were stripped of name, religion and history is a way previous unseen in human history.

You need to check your self, man.

Moderators, feel free to do what you will with this post.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

Well the reason why theres a double standard is because black people have it much harder in (minorities in general)America. If white people had to go threw what blacks went threw and go threw these then you understand why we as people feel that way, I mean because we go threw it everyday no matter how much you don't want to admit.



Noow on the Jazz stero-type thing, I think its ok its not insulting any kind culture background back ground that a black man has. We all have are cultural diffrences. Its not a bad thing that Rrobots take on personalities of different people. I'd love to hear Ironhide talk with that southern accent in the movie(Personally I would love to ssee Peter Cullens do his voice).

Keith wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

Wow. This is maybe the most ass-backward thing I have ever read. I have to jump around your post a bit b/c you said a lot.

1) There are plenty of Italians who resent the stereotypical portrayal of Italians in cinema. I live in Jersey...trust me. A large Italian contingent protested the filming of the Sopranos in the next town b/c of the offensive content of the show.

2) Africa is not a country. It is a continent. Much of the political turmoil on the continent results from European colonization....drawing artifical boundaries irrespective of the natural historical tribal boundaries that already existed. When the colonial powers left, very recently (last half of the 20th century in many cases), they left no means or infrastructure to use in governing these fake countries. Basically, they came, conquered, did damage...then bounced. The is the probably the most damaging impact that European colonialism has had on the planet. Period. This phenomenon is evident outside Africa (e.g., Eastern Europe, India).

3) Slavery. Very early on, European slavers would trade with local tribes for slaves. Typically these slaves were war prisoners. Shortly after the onset of American slavery, the Eorpean slavery began the kidnapping slaves-raids you hear about. This accounted for the VAST majority of captured slaves. The ones sold into slavery by other African are hardly worth mentioning from a numbers standpoint. Moreover, pre-American slavery was different than what most people think of. In previous forms of slavery, slaves could earn citizenship (or at least their kids). They were allowed to go to school, own property. That is not how it went down here.

4) Stereo-types. Man, you need to meet more Black people. Not all are rap slang talkers. Stereotypes often have some basis in truth. But mainly, it is just people seeing what they want to see....generally to make themselves feel better about themselves. See "In-Group/Out-Group Theory" or "Confirmation Bias". Wiki it. BTW...white people wear basketball shoes too.

5) Reparations. Man, if you don't think that Blacks are owed at least a token of acknowledgment for the part they played in building America, you are a truly evil person. An Italian guy may have "discovered" America, but it was built on the backs of African slaves. This point is not debatable. Anyway, blacks were promised reparations (40 acres/Mule) that were never delivered. So the country reneged. Don't act like th claims are so preposterous.

6) The concept of "mainstream society" is a myth. Stop fooling yourself. African Americans don't call themselves American b/c American doesn't accept Blacks as "true" Americans. Also, they do it for the same reason that Italians still identify with Italy. They originated somewhere else. There is a measure of ancestral pride in the term "Africa American". I see people with Italian flags or British flag decals all the time. Why is that so threating? At least all other people that immigrated to this land can trace roots back to somewhere. Blacks cannot. Hence their indentification with an entire continent. Black were stripped of name, religion and history is a way previous unseen in human history.

You need to check your self, man.

Moderators, feel free to do what you will with this post.

You obviously didn't take what I wrote in the right way, so let me spell it out for you, not all White people are racist, and not all black people understand that, and as far as slavery goes, we all as races were slaves at one point in time in our cultural history. I acknowledge that Black people have an unfair advantage in this country, but things are better today then they were, but just suppose that some of the hardship still felt today is enduced by Black Peoples own percieved racism towards white people..?? I don't want to continue this conversation because I don't want this to be a focus of why we are here, these are my views and I do have lots of Black Friends I hang out with..some of them were taught certain things that I have had to denounce, because of problems in society fueling those things, but I like Jazz, Basket ball shoes.. and I don't mean mainstream is bad, just normal, I don't think Mowhawks and peircings all over someones head is normal either, but thats just me...


you know what makes me mad, is how I'm labeled "Evil" because i haven't the same view, thats kinda funny..when you think about it in the context of what you just said..I agree with some of your point of views, and historical info, but that happened 200+ years ago, and has been in remission ever since, and no one alive today knows what it really was like to be a slave, so where is the problem??

Yes there are people out there who are bad and harbor stereo typical points of view, but thats not the majority, and yeah there are Italians who were pissed at the Soprano filmings, but they are too sensative and can't get past it..I consider myself reasonable, and just to throw it back, some...Yeah I'm considered White, but I'm not always smiling...or Happy...


Jazz is fine, he was cool back in the 80s and is cool with me today, i like Iron hide being a redneck, so its all good..some rednecks could claim stereo typing from that... so its all good all around...

I think we as a people have evolved past being overly critical of things meant to poke fun at a stereo type or what the media deems appropriate..

You probably think I'm racist, because I don't agree with you, and that is exactly part of the problem.. label me what you will, i am not a bad person, and as far as me talking about this, its not a bad thing to try to work through an issue, why is it when a white person brings up an opposing point of view on this subject, they are immediately labeled racist or evil?? its not right.. and that is also part of the problem..

Chill out..

Serve met and countered..Don't worry about the moderators on this subject, consider it dropped by me, I'm done, I'll just get beat up for saying anything anyways...

AAh, lets move from the race issue.





Jazz is gonna have bb sneaker like feet? I saw his new design but I never saw his feet.

So like, WTF is going on? Only Jazz and Megatron die? That means only Jazz dies in the movie because Megatron will be revived or something for the sequel.
What happens to the rest of the Decepticons? Don't tell me it happens like this
Starscream : '' Megatron has fallen! I'm your new leader so Decepticons, transform and lets get the hell out of here!''

Is it me or Prime is a like a usseless bot with fancy color in the movie?

To answer that question..^^

SPOILERS!!

Jazz dies and Starscream is the only one who survives out of the Decepticons.

I personally wish it was Ratchet who dies, as he doesn't do much at all.

XxDunexX wrote:To answer that question..^^

SPOILERS!!

Jazz dies and Starscream is the only one who survives out of the Decepticons.

I personally wish it was Ratchet who dies, as he doesn't do much at all.

SPOiLER

hmmm...someone else said that...


all the decepticons survive, cept megs. something about him being strapped to a nuke and dropped in the ocean. hmmm...


im wondering...either way as long as starscream, prime, or bumblebee dont die...im happy.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

So, Skywarp-2, will you be running with Senator Thompson (The old bald guy on Law & Order) (TN) for 2008?

If so, how do I get involved with your campaign?

Keith wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

Wow. This is maybe the most ass-backward thing I have ever read. I have to jump around your post a bit b/c you said a lot.

1) There are plenty of Italians who resent the stereotypical portrayal of Italians in cinema. I live in Jersey...trust me. A large Italian contingent protested the filming of the Sopranos in the next town b/c of the offensive content of the show.

2) Africa is not a country. It is a continent. Much of the political turmoil on the continent results from European colonization....drawing artifical boundaries irrespective of the natural historical tribal boundaries that already existed. When the colonial powers left, very recently (last half of the 20th century in many cases), they left no means or infrastructure to use in governing these fake countries. Basically, they came, conquered, did damage...then bounced. The is the probably the most damaging impact that European colonialism has had on the planet. Period. This phenomenon is evident outside Africa (e.g., Eastern Europe, India).

3) Slavery. Very early on, European slavers would trade with local tribes for slaves. Typically these slaves were war prisoners. Shortly after the onset of American slavery, the Eorpean slavery began the kidnapping slaves-raids you hear about. This accounted for the VAST majority of captured slaves. The ones sold into slavery by other African are hardly worth mentioning from a numbers standpoint. Moreover, pre-American slavery was different than what most people think of. In previous forms of slavery, slaves could earn citizenship (or at least their kids). They were allowed to go to school, own property. That is not how it went down here.

4) Stereo-types. Man, you need to meet more Black people. Not all are rap slang talkers. Stereotypes often have some basis in truth. But mainly, it is just people seeing what they want to see....generally to make themselves feel better about themselves. See "In-Group/Out-Group Theory" or "Confirmation Bias". Wiki it. BTW...white people wear basketball shoes too.

5) Reparations. Man, if you don't think that Blacks are owed at least a token of acknowledgment for the part they played in building America, you are a truly evil person. An Italian guy may have "discovered" America, but it was built on the backs of African slaves. This point is not debatable. Anyway, blacks were promised reparations (40 acres/Mule) that were never delivered. So the country reneged. Don't act like th claims are so preposterous.

6) The concept of "mainstream society" is a myth. Stop fooling yourself. African Americans don't call themselves American b/c American doesn't accept Blacks as "true" Americans. Also, they do it for the same reason that Italians still identify with Italy. They originated somewhere else. There is a measure of ancestral pride in the term "Africa American". I see people with Italian flags or British flag decals all the time. Why is that so threating? At least all other people that immigrated to this land can trace roots back to somewhere. Blacks cannot. Hence their indentification with an entire continent. Black were stripped of name, religion and history is a way previous unseen in human history.

You need to check your self, man.

Moderators, feel free to do what you will with this post.

Keith, you make several very strong points, but however, as a few points of my own for healthy debate:

1. My parents came from Europe. I am not 1/16 this, 1/8th that, so I know a little about my "mother" cultures (Father was Italian, mother was German). I could care less about the mob or nazis. Why is this? Because I am not an "Italian-German-American". I am an AMERICAN. This is my home. Italy and Germany are just a distant memory to my ancestors. Hell, I have only been to Japan outside my country. An awesome place, i might add.

2. You are right, Africa is a CONTINENT, not country as G.W. once mistakenly said. However, the damage done, however severe and real, and it is...is finished. There are repercussions that today's Africans still feel today, no doubt. And that sucks, but how long will people whine about the past, another 100 years? How about 500? 1,000 perhaps?

Just because a group of people I have never met or been involved with can't get it together (Like ending apartheid, for example, a great step), does not mean it is my fault. My parents, grandparents, their grandparents were all peasants, and never owned slaves in Europe, or, obviously, here in the US when they arrived in 1912 and 1922, respectively.

Don't push blame on the blameless. it is just as wrong as the injustices the African people experienced. Wrong is wrong and it changes nothing.

3. The wealthy did bad things to slaves, yes no doubt, but, again, don't push it off on others. I don't push off my problems on you ar anyone else. Why? Because it is NOT your problem. It is mine, and it is part of being a man, owning up to your own problems and not riding someone else through your own personal storms.

4. Stereotypes are based on culture. I hold the view that when someone black/hispanic, etc. asks me about line-dancing, country music, or Nascar, I take no offense. Why? because I DESPISE Nascar, Country music, etc.

But I am a real person, with common sense.

I live in TEXAS.

What do most whites listen to here? What motorsport is vastly the most popular here?

I listen to trance/metal/electronica/JPOP/classical, and I love MotoGP motorcycle racing, the 24 Hours of LeMans, Formula 1, rally racing, etc.

Not your typical white dude here, obviously.

Stereotypes are an educated guess, nothing more, so get over it.

5. Reperations. I don't think so. If anyone deserves reperations the most it is the indigenious people who had their land stolen and people nearly made extinct.

We cannot change this also, but I feel their "bad" outweighs the other bad.

But it comes back to the same thing as earlier, I did not do it, so don't blame me for it.

Someone else spilled some milk, so I have to get someone else a new glass? Um, no.

However, a FORMAL apology is needed, and long overdue. The Indians deserve one also.

6.I only wave the US flag here son, as someone who served in the USAF, let me tell you...if you wave another flag whatever flag it may be, it insults this country that we all call home.

Another thing, I have no ties to Italy and Germany other than my love of Italian food and German cars.

Pride, whoever has it, begets racism.

Africans had it bad, but every group has been raped, killed, slain in battle, had their relegion stepped upon, etc.

Again, get over it.

It is 200 freakin' 7!

Where is my flying car?!

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Bottom Out wrote:even if jazz does speak like that..and acts like that..its not stereotypical of anything in my mind...

and definetly not racial...

I agree, the only time Rascism is really brought up is due to ethnic resentment against white opinion, and further more, rascism today in this country seems to be more of a black thing versus a white thing.. the "Black Tax" as I have heard about is nothing more then rascism against white people, to have a tax to attone for Slavery is rediculous, considering the Africans sold their own people into slavery for trinketts and weapons, which were used to kill off rival tribes, and are still being used in Africa on a daily basis..

saying that Americans need to pay a tax to attone for rascism and White Guilt is preposterous, the Jews were slaves before anyother race, the best we did was give them their own Nation, Africans have their own nation and look what they have done so far, and besides calling yourself African American is so racist in itself, because it seperates you from other Americans and is used to define race versus just being an American regardless of color or origin..

The over stereotypical designs and scripted lines used by Jazz to portray a Black person or someone of that origin are compoletely within norms if you ask me, because if you haven't noticed, when I see young Black men hanging out or talking, its almost like a Rap video as far as slang and converstaions go, not to mention the dress style.. if rascism is derived from being different then why differentiate yourself so much from Mainstream society?? Then complain about the use of that difference in a movie??

I think Jazz is fine being "Urban" and those stereotypes are not really a stereo type, you know how many Black people sport Basketball shoes?? its reality, and some people are too touchy about stuff like that, which is why attorney's make boo koo bucks on these race issues..It just seems like there are too many Black People on the look out for racists and not paying attention to those who aren't.. i have lots of Black friends, some of whom i work with, and they are always bringing up racism, are these people who live here racists? What do you think about so in so, are they racist?

I have spent months having to break down stereotypes about the "White Man" and things that were talked about and taught in the home frequently about whites and their attitudes about Blacks, its silly....if you spend too much time in one pond with only one kind of fish, then evrything else outside of it becomes alien territory and fear and stereotypes prevail over reason..


And another thing, i'm of Meditereanian decent or Italian, and you don't see me whinning about Italian stereotypes in the movies, i could complain about the Sopranos, or mafia Movies like good fellas, casino, ect.. but I don't because I know part of its true and its also exagerated..if I was to be like some people, i could say we need a Tax for italians, because we founded America, from Christopher Columbus, or that the continent was named after an italian, Amerigo Vespucci, the first sailor to sail around the world..

That said, i would have prefered the Puke green Ratchet die first...and that is based on his color..So i guess you caould say i'm racist against puke

So, Skywarp-2, will you be running with Senator Thompson (The old bald guy on Law & Order) (TN) for 2008?

If so, how do I get involved with your campaign?

Actually i want to vote for Edwards, or Borack obama...they have a level head, Hillary is evil.. as in EEEvELLL..

PRiMES_DESTiNY wrote:

XxDunexX wrote:To answer that question..^^

SPOILERS!!

Jazz dies and Starscream is the only one who survives out of the Decepticons.

I personally wish it was Ratchet who dies, as he doesn't do much at all.

SPOiLER

hmmm...someone else said that...


all the decepticons survive, cept megs. something about him being strapped to a nuke and dropped in the ocean. hmmm...


im wondering...either way as long as starscream, prime, or bumblebee dont die...im happy.

Ok, so in the midst of Slag, i find this....what is your secret knowledge, please PM, I'm getting too old to read super Small print on this crappy small LCD screen.. Sigh.. i need a wide screen..

Yes. Yes she is.

I live in Virginia, hate Nascar, Love Mexican food, hate country music, love european metal, Opeth, Draconian, Moonspell (they are from portugal), Swallow the sun, Tool...ect.. ect.., I love comic books, playing football, playing video games..Snowboarding, which is rare out here... I used to skate board, but a 30 year old pulling 1980s tricks is sad to behold..oh and I had to give up the Italian food back in the day when i turned 25, carbs and the slowing metabalism...oh if only the Toys R' US song was trueee!!!!!Then i could play with my toys again and get away with it, versus getting caught and feeling silly or ashamed of it..

Just kidding, i wish i had the imagination to play, all i do is open, place, pose and gawk...actually that sounds more sad then being caught playing with toys..hmmmm

any ways heres a good laugh on me..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKCNBOVwJ8

All this from some ill-conceived notion that Jazz is black?