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News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:42 am

qwailo wrote:
Daxmajor wrote:
qwailo wrote:
Daxmajor wrote:
Bonger wrote:
qwailo wrote:
Bonger wrote:Too bad, going the body armour route will put him all types of out of proportion with the rest of the MP line. If they do UM for real, they need to start from scratch and put him in scale.

Out of proportion? How? Do you mean because hes bigger? Because he is supposed to be.

He is in now way supposed to Tower over Prime, or is my memory failing me?

I agree with Bonger. UM (in armor) was really the same height, maybe slightly taller, than Optimus and the other Leader-type guys. It's no different to how Motormaster's entire truck mode (cab + trailor) form a robot that's the same height as Optimus.

No no, magnus was always bigger. Just because Prime is the leader doesn't mean hes the biggest...look at Skyfire (Jetfire) for example. UM was a big mo-fo, lets keep it that way.

Sky/Jetfire was certainly bigger than Prime and Megs, as was Omega Supreme -- I'll never argue against that. UM OTOH was simply bulkier than Optimus, not taller e.g. watch the Prime death scene in the animated Movie (where he gives the Matrix to Magnus) and then çome back to me.

Your a muppet. How can you tell the height between them in that scene? ONE OF THEM IS LAYING DOWN ON A BED! And Magnus is bending over most of the time. Trust me! UM is bigger than prime in everyway.

Besides, you can't judge characters sizes by the animation because back then the animators didn't give a ****. In episode 9 Bumblebee is fighting Ravage and they are the same size. Then in Megatrons Master Plan Ravage is only a little bigger than a human.

I'll conclude with the fact that in Alt mode, Prime and Magnus are the same size with trailers. However in robot mode Prime doesn't combine with his trailer...where as UM does! Therefore making him bigger by far.

There...i win.

It doesn't matter what you wrote. You loose because:

1. You went down to name calling (who calls someone a 'muppet' anyway?)
2. You misspelled 'You're'. If you're going to flame, it should be free of spelling mistakes. Like splitting aces, it's a rule.

(The thing is, I agree with you. I think Ultra Magnus is bigger than Prime to a certain degree. It only makes sense. The added bulk of the armor almost demands it. You can't really argue scale in G1 when Metroplex is changing size every other scene.

But standards of argument apply, even to Transformers. The first to call names is likely the one who can't really back his argument. Maybe it's a UK thing...and I'm not picking on the country or anything. But I tend to see a lot of Brits hurl an insult in the middle of an otherwise decent debate when I wouldn't have expected it.

However, I digress.)

by **qwailo** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:47 am

Counterpunch wrote:
qwailo wrote:
Daxmajor wrote:
qwailo wrote:
Daxmajor wrote:
Bonger wrote:
qwailo wrote:
Bonger wrote:Too bad, going the body armour route will put him all types of out of proportion with the rest of the MP line. If they do UM for real, they need to start from scratch and put him in scale.

Out of proportion? How? Do you mean because hes bigger? Because he is supposed to be.

He is in now way supposed to Tower over Prime, or is my memory failing me?

I agree with Bonger. UM (in armor) was really the same height, maybe slightly taller, than Optimus and the other Leader-type guys. It's no different to how Motormaster's entire truck mode (cab + trailor) form a robot that's the same height as Optimus.

No no, magnus was always bigger. Just because Prime is the leader doesn't mean hes the biggest...look at Skyfire (Jetfire) for example. UM was a big mo-fo, lets keep it that way.

Sky/Jetfire was certainly bigger than Prime and Megs, as was Omega Supreme -- I'll never argue against that. UM OTOH was simply bulkier than Optimus, not taller e.g. watch the Prime death scene in the animated Movie (where he gives the Matrix to Magnus) and then çome back to me.

Your a muppet. How can you tell the height between them in that scene? ONE OF THEM IS LAYING DOWN ON A BED! And Magnus is bending over most of the time. Trust me! UM is bigger than prime in everyway.

Besides, you can't judge characters sizes by the animation because back then the animators didn't give a ****. In episode 9 Bumblebee is fighting Ravage and they are the same size. Then in Megatrons Master Plan Ravage is only a little bigger than a human.

I'll conclude with the fact that in Alt mode, Prime and Magnus are the same size with trailers. However in robot mode Prime doesn't combine with his trailer...where as UM does! Therefore making him bigger by far.

There...i win.

It doesn't matter what you wrote. You loose because:

1. You went down to name calling (who calls someone a 'muppet' anyway?)
2. You misspelled 'You're'. If you're going to flame, it should be free of spelling mistakes. Like splitting aces, it's a rule.

(The thing is, I agree with you. I think Ultra Magnus is bigger than Prime to a certain degree. It only makes sense. The added bulk of the armor almost demands it. You can't really argue scale in G1 when Metroplex is changing size every other scene.

But standards of argument apply, even to Transformers. The first to call names is likely the one who can't really back his argument. Maybe it's a UK thing...and I'm not picking on the country or anything. But I tend to see a lot of Brits hurl an insult in the middle of an otherwise decent debate when I wouldn't have expected it.

However, I digress.)

Im so sorry i spelt a word wrong! I won't even mention the spelling mistakes in the above passage that you wrote!

Oh and yes it is a British thing and it isn't insulting.

by **upther** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am

Counterpunch wrote:
qwailo wrote:Your a muppet. How can you tell the height between them in that scene? ONE OF THEM IS LAYING DOWN ON A BED! And Magnus is bending over most of the time. Trust me! UM is bigger than prime in everyway.

Besides, you can't judge characters sizes by the animation because back then the animators didn't give a ****. In episode 9 Bumblebee is fighting Ravage and they are the same size. Then in Megatrons Master Plan Ravage is only a little bigger than a human.

I'll conclude with the fact that in Alt mode, Prime and Magnus are the same size with trailers. However in robot mode Prime doesn't combine with his trailer...where as UM does! Therefore making him bigger by far.

There...i win.

It doesn't matter what you wrote. You loose because:

1. You went down to name calling (who calls someone a 'muppet' anyway?)
2. You misspelled 'You're'. If you're going to flame, it should be free of spelling mistakes. Like splitting aces, it's a rule.

(The thing is, I agree with you. I think Ultra Magnus is bigger than Prime to a certain degree. It only makes sense. The added bulk of the armor almost demands it. You can't really argue scale in G1 when Metroplex is changing size every other scene.

But standards of argument apply, even to Transformers. The first to call names is likely the one who can't really back his argument. Maybe it's a UK thing...and I'm not picking on the country or anything. But I tend to see a lot of Brits hurl an insult in the middle of an otherwise decent debate when I wouldn't have expected it.

However, I digress.)

I don't have much to add to the argument. I just wanted to say that if you're going to call someone out on their spelling, you should make sure that yours is on point.

For the record, I've always picture UM as bigger than Prime because he combines with his trailer. Just seems logical to me.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:04 am

upther wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
qwailo wrote:Your a muppet. How can you tell the height between them in that scene? ONE OF THEM IS LAYING DOWN ON A BED! And Magnus is bending over most of the time. Trust me! UM is bigger than prime in everyway.

Besides, you can't judge characters sizes by the animation because back then the animators didn't give a ****. In episode 9 Bumblebee is fighting Ravage and they are the same size. Then in Megatrons Master Plan Ravage is only a little bigger than a human.

I'll conclude with the fact that in Alt mode, Prime and Magnus are the same size with trailers. However in robot mode Prime doesn't combine with his trailer...where as UM does! Therefore making him bigger by far.

There...i win.

It doesn't matter what you wrote. You loose because:

1. You went down to name calling (who calls someone a 'muppet' anyway?)
2. You misspelled 'You're'. If you're going to flame, it should be free of spelling mistakes. Like splitting aces, it's a rule.

(The thing is, I agree with you. I think Ultra Magnus is bigger than Prime to a certain degree. It only makes sense. The added bulk of the armor almost demands it. You can't really argue scale in G1 when Metroplex is changing size every other scene.

But standards of argument apply, even to Transformers. The first to call names is likely the one who can't really back his argument. Maybe it's a UK thing...and I'm not picking on the country or anything. But I tend to see a lot of Brits hurl an insult in the middle of an otherwise decent debate when I wouldn't have expected it.

However, I digress.)

I don't have much to add to the argument. I just wanted to say that if you're going to call someone out on their spelling, you should make sure that yours is on point.

For the record, I've always picture UM as bigger than Prime because he combines with his trailer. Just seems logical to me.

Touché new guy, touché
(Though I do blame my work key board...damnable sticking keys...)

by **Daxmajor** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:06 am

upther wrote:For the record, I've always picture UM as bigger than Prime because he combines with his trailer. Just seems logical to me.

Um, Motormaster, anyone? The cartoon and comic Magnus was never ever seen or known to be a smaller robot wearing armour.

Anyway, I don't wish to start fights over this. I have some pretty strong views on scale and size so I usually chime in on such discussions. I don't expect everyone to agree w/ my opinions though. To each their own.

by **qwailo** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:15 am

Daxmajor wrote:
upther wrote:For the record, I've always picture UM as bigger than Prime because he combines with his trailer. Just seems logical to me.

Um, Motormaster, anyone? The cartoon and comic Magnus was never ever seen or known to be a smaller robot wearing armour.

Anyway, I don't wish to start fights over this. I have some pretty strong views on scale and size so I usually chime in on such discussions. I don't expect everyone to agree w/ my opinions though. To each their own.

Well said. End of subject then yeah?

(except i win

)

by **ChromedomeMK2** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:16 am

skywarp-2 wrote:If you have seen any of the Ultra Magnus kit bashes and such, then you know, for a fan, it's difficult to produce. With the recent hoax of the possible Hasbro slipping by us a US retail release of Ultra Magnus and such, I thought it was high time to atleast address this issue.

A complete Ultra Magnus, for me is one of the most anticipated Masterpiece figures from the Masterpiece line up. I for one was hoping Hasbro decided to recolor the 20th anniversary Prime and decided to sneak in a well engineered trailer into the mix.. but that's just wishful thinking on my part...

however if they do it, then they should at least consider the guide lines set forth by the experts over at http://www.iaconcity.com

If your gonna do it, then the chest shield should give him form and his body should look like a body and not a brick. He should have articulation enough to be able to do this pose:

And his body should have enough support to sustain this:

I love the realism this guy puts into his 3D models, and even shows how the armor can buckle the feet inside, which is another issue the toy manufacturers should look at in designing a trailer for him..

More eye candy:

I love how the feet have the back trailer wheels in the armor, its really a cool feature that I think the toy would benefit from...from the looks of it, the trailer feet encase the MP-02 Magnus feet, and the upper body is encased in a chest box, which I hope if they include this in the actual toy someday will have some layers to allow for movement...

Now here is a Question, would you want his chest to be made of Glossy chromium type red and blue plastic like the Transmetals?

Well let us all hope that if they do a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and they finally release him, whether it be Takara Tomy or Hasbro, let's at least hope they do him correct, and with out him ending up like a Brick!

He'll a big MP toy for sure but they should make a set of non transforming armour add-on pieces for cost redaction beacuse most of the collector will only disply UM in robot mode.

News Credits: 5 · by **REMINATOR** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:57 pm

In the Rebirth Episode, Magnus is shown slighly or a head taller than Prime. This is the closet scale comparison that we got from the animation whether who's taller. The scene that us give a respectable scale meaning not distorted by perspective is the scene that showed both the rear full view of Prime and Magnus looking at Vector Sigma.

In term of logic, it make sense to assume that Magnus is taller than Prime due to his merging with the trailer. But this idea is not true in the world of TF thanks to mass shifting otherwise Megatron will be like an insect in compare to an F-15 Starscream. And as in the case of Motormaster.

I guess it's all boil down to our first impression or our personal preference as to who we accept taller. The one thing that we can agree on is that both Prime and Magnus are pretty much in the same range in term of height and mass.

by **YouFearGalvatron** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:26 pm

A "proper" MP UM would be sick.

I would not really mind if he was larger than MP Prime, etc. In fact, I would PREFER it.

Hell MP SS is smaller than Megatron, much smaller!

I say bring him on! I would buy one, but NOT a white "Prime" only.

by **optimusmgnus234** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:37 am

skywarp-2 wrote:If you have seen any of the Ultra Magnus kit bashes and such, then you know, for a fan, it's difficult to produce. With the recent hoax of the possible Hasbro slipping by us a US retail release of Ultra Magnus and such, I thought it was high time to atleast address this issue.

A complete Ultra Magnus, for me is one of the most anticipated Masterpiece figures from the Masterpiece line up. I for one was hoping Hasbro decided to recolor the 20th anniversary Prime and decided to sneak in a well engineered trailer into the mix.. but that's just wishful thinking on my part...

however if they do it, then they should at least consider the guide lines set forth by the experts over at http://www.iaconcity.com

If your gonna do it, then the chest shield should give him form and his body should look like a body and not a brick. He should have articulation enough to be able to do this pose:

And his body should have enough support to sustain this:

I love the realism this guy puts into his 3D models, and even shows how the armor can buckle the feet inside, which is another issue the toy manufacturers should look at in designing a trailer for him..

More eye candy:

I love how the feet have the back trailer wheels in the armor, its really a cool feature that I think the toy would benefit from...from the looks of it, the trailer feet encase the MP-02 Magnus feet, and the upper body is encased in a chest box, which I hope if they include this in the actual toy someday will have some layers to allow for movement...

Now here is a Question, would you want his chest to be made of Glossy chromium type red and blue plastic like the Transmetals?

Well let us all hope that if they do a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and they finally release him, whether it be Takara Tomy or Hasbro, let's at least hope they do him correct, and with out him ending up like a Brick!

Like Blasphemous Prime on Facebook · by **Blasphemous Prime** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:15 pm

I'm sure we could argue the whole size thing all day. As far as the show went, the animators were never consistent about scale and if the show was redone with scale in mind, perhaps some of the plots would have problems.

I'm just tickled we're getting a perfect UM, trailer and all.

I just hope that after the autobots get their city commander, that the decepticons will be getting theirs soon. I've always felt that megatron should stand slightly taller than optimus, and Galvatron should be slightly taller yet, but nowhere near as tall as magnus. (

(When I say slightly, I mean only a millimeter or two.)

I think what we need to remember about magnus is that he was a big, tough soldier, not a prime.

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:56 am

What was the point of reanimating this necro-thread from six years ago?

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:54 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:What was the point of reanimating this necro-thread from six years ago?

it's as apt a place as any to argue pointlessly about the ever inconsistent scale of the G1 cartoon.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:06 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:What was the point of reanimating this necro-thread from six years ago?

What was the point of replying to it without adding to the resurrected conversation? :wink:

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:14 pm

I'm sure there's a more recent thread on the same subject, so there was no need to go back to 2007 and bump a dead conversation. On some message boards, they have moderators who clean up stuff like this. For example, they would probably lock this thread and ask the person who bumped it to either make a new thread or add to a more recent one.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:37 pm

We're not other forums. As long as it's related to the original topic I don't see a problem with a discussion being resurrected.

Final word on the matter, let's get back on topic.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:56 pm

The necro guy probably had too much time on his hands to dig up the thread :lol:

now back to the topic, shot in the dark but wouldn't it be great if somehow MP UM would incorporate some of the original diaclone features?

Such as his chest armor becoming a scout jet/car of sorts or even include the transformable scout car (way better that Roller)?

Now that would make an awesome release even more awesome.

News Credits: 5 · by **REMINATOR** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:23 pm

Man, I was like what's all these talks about dead thread until I look at the OP date, 2007 It's almost 7 years :lol:

Regardless, it's all good especially now that MP22 is coming out somewhere in August :BOWDOWN:

by **Valandar** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:26 pm

As for the topic... he started with an inherantly flawed premise.

See, IaconCity makes excellent 3D transformers... that 'cheat' when they transform.

Proportions change, they scale parts independantly, and occasionally even taper them, and some parts even interpenetrate as if one or the other is a hologram. Completely within CG "rules" (see Beast Wars, Beast Machines, etc), but it doesn't always mean it'd work in real life.

OTOH, a MP Magnus like this that actually worked would be effin' AWESOME.