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Most reviews and even most things I see in this forum seem to point to the fact that people hated the movie, or found it only mildly entertaining. Indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it seems to me people are more interested in criticizing a film than enjoying it. I'm sorry, but when did this happen? When did society stand up and go "Ya know what, I'm not gonna go to a movie to see what happens and kill two and a half hours that I would otherwise be bored to death during. I'm gonna go probe every last speck of the film until it's dead!"?

Probing into a movie is stupid in most cases. Oh sure, if it's based off a true story and you happen to know what happened and they changed something drastically, I don't mind disgust at that. But I mean for God's sake people, Transformers is fiction. Last time I checked, my car doesn't turn into a giant robot (and I happen to have the same model of car as Barricade (Saleen S281-Extreme Mustang)) nor does anyone else's. Sure, little tid bits like why no one notices a bunch of anthropomorphic automobiles in the Witwicky's yard is beyond me; or why entire cities being laid to waste goes unnoticed by the civilian populace. But hey, it's fiction, fake - a story.

Yeah, stuff from G1 has been changed. But quit whining about "Michael Bay slaughtered my childhood" or "Bay raped my youth". G1 was slaughtered the day Beast Wars started.

Now if you genuinely didn't like the movie, that's your decision. But I'm sick of these people who are like "It was good but it should have done this and this and replaced this with that and..." You're only ruining the film for yourself by questioning why Jazz was basically the black Transformer or crying over concept art. It's concept art, people! Concept art gives you a, key word here, concept of what the thing will look like, but ultimately the final product looks quite different.

Now again, if you disliked the film for reasons other than your own probing into matters, that's perfectly fine. And for those of you like me who love it, great. This topic is here for the one's who feel they have to be Ebert & Roper and end up ruining the film for themselves.

Like the other thread im posting on about this atm, it sounds like your trying to dictate how people should react to the movie. Short of you wanting thought police, im glad people are picking holes (very big holes). Otherwise we all become rather dull and uninteresting.

Also to quote Tom in another thread;

These threads criticising people who don't like the movie are becoming as boring, stale and old as the "Michael Bay raped my childhood threads" from last year. It's a movie, some will like it some will not, get over it.

this is something that im so dissapointed and the movie is fine with me it's not perfect but it's a good start and why other people complain makes me wonder that do they even thank bay for making this film i mean c'mon we got to admit this is one film that has been existing since i was a child and 23 yrs back the movie just shown after the long wait atleast try to appreciate bay for doing the film and if they can do the film better, why dont they do it...

softimus_prime wrote:this is something that im so dissapointed and the movie is fine with me it's not perfect but it's a good start and why other people complain makes me wonder that do they even thank bay for making this film i mean c'mon we got to admit this is one film that has been existing since i was a child and 23 yrs back the movie just shown after the long wait atleast try to appreciate bay for doing the film and if they can do the film better, why dont they do it...

See, I don't have a problem with you thinking that. What is driving me insane are these people who like the movie to some extent at first, but then they start thinking about stuff too much or go see it over and over and critique every last little bit and then come here and complain about the little flaws. They basically ruin it for themselves, and now that I know these flaws exist, if I ever see it again I will be watching for them it and therefore it also ruins the movie for me. Why can't people just leave things at imperfection? Perfect = nothing.

well we just need to understand that people just expects to much we might appreciate the movie but atleaest if there is a flaw that's natural and there are still some good points of the movie... good luck to all who critisize the movie every single minute...

Tybre wrote:Most reviews and even most things I see in this forum seem to point to the fact that people hated the movie, or found it only mildly entertaining. Indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it seems to me people are more interested in criticizing a film than enjoying it. I'm sorry, but when did this happen? When did society stand up and go "Ya know what, I'm not gonna go to a movie to see what happens and kill two and a half hours that I would otherwise be bored to death during. I'm gonna go probe every last speck of the film until it's dead!"?

Probing into a movie is stupid in most cases. Oh sure, if it's based off a true story and you happen to know what happened and they changed something drastically, I don't mind disgust at that. But I mean for God's sake people, Transformers is fiction. Last time I checked, my car doesn't turn into a giant robot (and I happen to have the same model of car as Barricade (Saleen S281-Extreme Mustang)) nor does anyone else's. Sure, little tid bits like why no one notices a bunch of anthropomorphic automobiles in the Witwicky's yard is beyond me; or why entire cities being laid to waste goes unnoticed by the civilian populace. But hey, it's fiction, fake - a story.

Yeah, stuff from G1 has been changed. But quit whining about "Michael Bay slaughtered my childhood" or "Bay raped my youth". G1 was slaughtered the day Beast Wars started.

Now if you genuinely didn't like the movie, that's your decision. But I'm sick of these people who are like "It was good but it should have done this and this and replaced this with that and..." You're only ruining the film for yourself by questioning why Jazz was basically the black Transformer or crying over concept art. It's concept art, people! Concept art gives you a, key word here, concept of what the thing will look like, but ultimately the final product looks quite different.

Now again, if you disliked the film for reasons other than your own probing into matters, that's perfectly fine. And for those of you like me who love it, great. This topic is here for the one's who feel they have to be Ebert & Roper and end up ruining the film for themselves.

Truer words have never been typed.

I 100% agree with you man. I mean, its a freaking movie, a work of fiction, a medium of entertainment designed to make money...lots of money.

I mean yeah some films push the envelope and think outside the box and tell great stories, but TF was never intended to be an oscar winning masterpiece and it never will be.

If you want deep, involving, smart and interesting movie GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE! Summer blockbusters are never intended to be the above, hence why they are called "blockbusters". By their very definition they are meant only to entertain and make loads of money. They are nothing more than pieces of simple and fun entertainment. Some succeed and some dont. IMO Transformers does all of the above and more and its a great success in my eyes. This type of film succeeds as a film when all it does is entertains me, and Transformers did nothing but that for 2 and a half hours. It felt like 5 minutes i was having so much fun, and to me the film is a great success in that regard.

Sure there was goofs, every film has them. Sure some things could have been better, again, all films suffer from this. At the end of the day NO FILM is perfect and NEVER will be.

But as long as you are entertained by it then why do people have to go around moaning at how this or that should have been more interesting or done better or whatever.

Just leave your brain at the door, forget about all the stresses in real life and immerse yourself in a bit of entertainment ffs people!

If you want to analize something, do it over something important like politics, the enviroment, or hell even your own lives. There are much more important things to worry about and analize out there than a freaking movie about giant robots.

Its people like that who i hate as they ruin the fun for everyone else, and they go against everything i beleive in when it comes to celluloid entertainment.

Key word people:

ENTERTAINMENT!!

wow those statements made me happy...

atleast, i still see the movie to be a worth watching movie

The thing that bothers me about *most* of the complaints regarding the movie is that the movie itself is a continuity reboot. Start from scratch and reintroduce the characters. I watched the first episode of RID on Tuesday and compared to the movie, it was more of a BSOD and a power down/power up than a reboot. Regardless, no, Bumblebee doesn't have be a VW Beetle and we're 25 years past the need for a character to be named Spike. And it's depressing, because for alot of people who were TF fans when G1 was new are totally opposed to it. It's an action movie based on a new Transformers universe, not a G1 Transformers movie. That came out in 1986.

OTOH, I do have issues with plot holes, and I've posted about them. Regardless, it's a pretty good movie based on a property that I loved growing up and returned to 19 years later.

Actually I would say that most of the people on this board liked the movie and its only a small but vocal part that are posting topics with complaints. And since it seems that the general consensous on here is that its "really great", especially in the days imediatly after its release, the few negative opinions are looked at as being a freak occurance or the ramblings of "haters". Then again what do you expect would happen on a fan site when some people speak ill of said fans biggest event in recent years.

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Actually I would say that most of the people on this board liked the movie and its only a small but vocal part that are posting topics with complaints. And since it seems that the general consensous on here is that its "really great", especially in the days imediatly after its release, the few negative opinions are looked at as being a freak occurance or the ramblings of "haters". Then again what do you expect would happen on a fan site when some people speak ill of said fans biggest event in recent years.

QFT

Clearly, every critic must be silenced. Use physical, deadly force if needed. The enjoyment of this movie must not be disturbed by any subversive freethinkers. The collective must prevail.

i agree with you too man... i think that people are TOO critical.

Its a shame, the same people watch it... and talk about it the most probably.

I liked the movie... and i thought it was great entertainment.

Blackout  wrote:

Creature SH wrote:Clearly, every critic must be silenced. Use physical, deadly force if needed. The enjoyment of this movie must not be disturbed by any subversive freethinkers. The collective must prevail.

That's strange, because that's not happening here. Care to give examples, Creature?

Hyperbole is a fun thing.

Indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it seems to me people are more interested in criticizing a film than enjoying it. I'm sorry, but when did this happen? When did society stand up and go "Ya know what, I'm not gonna go to a movie to see what happens and kill two and a half hours that I would otherwise be bored to death during. I'm gonna go probe every last speck of the film until it's dead!"?

Constructive criticism and voicing your opinion (complaining to make things better) has been around since the dawn of mankind.

Probing into a movie is stupid in most cases. Oh sure, if it's based off a true story and you happen to know what happened and they changed something drastically, I don't mind disgust at that. But I mean for God's sake people, Transformers is fiction.

Oh, snap! It is?!?

A. WOW, we didn't know that!
B. "Fiction" does not have to mean "a story told in a crappy fashion".
It just doesn't.
Period.

Do I really have to explain everything I say now ?

I was using hyperbole to illustrate the impression I was getting from the forum topic at hand.

Please don't pretend not to understand that, it's childish.

Oh, please. Don't drag this down by playing stupid. It might fit the movie character you appear to derive your name and avatar from, but it doesn't become a real person.

Please try to keep the conversation on topic and civil.

Riotflea wrote:"Fiction" does not have to mean "a story told in a crappy fashion".
It just doesn't.
Period.

The voice of sanity. Nothing in movie fandom pisses me off more than 'It's only a movie, just enjoy it and don't analyse!' I loved the TF film personally, but it had problems. Why should I pretend it didn't? By ignoring (or putting so much effort in trying to ignore, as some people seem to be doing) a movie's drawbacks, you should therefore love every movie ever made, unconditionally, no matter how bad. This attitude really gets on my tits. It's how Russell T Davies has gotten away with three seasons of poorly written Who; viewers don't care about the gaping plot holes and atrocious writing because it's sci-fi, it's silly, it's only TV, on and on. I'm with Riotflea - yep, fiction is made up. That's no excuse for the creators of whatever movie, book or TV show to lazily cut corners. Wake up.

Bigchin wrote:That's no excuse for the creators of whatever movie, book or TV show to lazily cut corners. Wake up.

Word...

I couldnt agree more.

Strongly disagree with the sentiments in the original post of this thread. If you only look for the negatives, you will only see the negatives. Is the glass half empty or is it half full? I've read a ton of really great reviews. The astonishing ticket sales speak volumes all on their own. The negative nancy's had their time. Now it's time for the majority of the people who seemed to have vastly enjoyed this movie to bask in this moment for which we've waited over 4 years.

I just saw the movie tonight for the 8th time. Each time I see the movie I notice something new, or enjoyed a scene more than I did the last time. The movie is most definitely not a perfect movie. It's loaded with flaws, contradictions and as many plot holes as a bar of swiss cheese. But I love the movie for what it is. I love seeing non-Transformers fans enjoying the ultimate highlight of my time with the fandom during the past 23 years.

I'm glad that we can at last share our fandom with the rest of the world. I'm thrilled that the rest of the world responded so positively to this movie.

The movie is now a permanent part of the Transformers lore. It is final. Nothing can be changed about the movie that we all saw. It is now a part of the Transformers history. It is also the Transformers future. You can either learn to accept that which you cannot change and find something good or positive to enjoy in the movie experience or you can be miserable wishing change upon things over which you have no control. I choose to find the positive things that I thoroughly enjoyed in the movie rather than dwell on the things that I did not like.

I did what I could with Seibertron.com last year to hopefully influence some decisions. I think I was able to successfully rally a movement (or light fire beneath the movement, depending on your perspective) against the look of Megatron's head. I picked a battle that I was very sensitive about that I felt we actually had a chance at changing. I picked the right battle it appears. It seemed that we were collectively successful with our endeavors and that the movie folks most definitely heard us very loud and clear at OUR collective displeasure with the look of Megatron's head last summer. I still don't like how his body looks but it can't be changed at this point. I can still say I don't like it, but there's no sense dwelling on it and hating the whole movie because I don't like how Megatron's body looks. It is what it is. It cannot be changed at this point.

I found the things that I did like in the movie and focused on those things instead ... and boy, did I find plenty of things to thoroughly enjoy in the movie. I still can't get over that one of my favorite things from the movie is Frenzy, a character I despised up until the moment I saw the movie a month ago today. Not to mention Judy Witwicky, a made-up character that I thought didn't belong because she didn't exist in the G1 continuity. I originally would've loved to have seen her written out of the movie but she turned out to be one of my favorite characters in the movie as well as well as a key part to some of my favorite scenes ("they better keep their hands off my bush!")

So I ask those of you who continue to complain about something you cannot change: is your glass half empty or half full?

I didnt enjoy it on a cinematic level, but what i saw (in the movie three times) was the transformers, which is on the up and up, now ive seen some critics on here fight to slate fans, which is wrong, but ive seen people openly and honestly try to point the flaws out in an attempt to effect the sequel, in all probability they wont be affective, but it gives them some form of hope...The Glass is always half full