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News Credits: 3599 · by **Seibertron** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:17 am

Sonray wrote:
Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Actually I would say that most of the people on this board liked the movie and its only a small but vocal part that are posting topics with complaints. And since it seems that the general consensous on here is that its "really great", especially in the days imediatly after its release, the few negative opinions are looked at as being a freak occurance or the ramblings of "haters". Then again what do you expect would happen on a fan site when some people speak ill of said fans biggest event in recent years.

QFT

I would also agree with this. I knew a lot of the haters would come around after they actually saw the movie. Sure the movie has flaws. Yes, it's not a perfect movie. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the movie for what it is. It doesn't mean that you have to hate the movie because it is flawed. Accept it for what it is. Voice what you didn't like (and maybe some of you would do well to voice what you did like so that you don't always come across as being so negative). Saying that you liked "X" or "Y" is just as important as stating that you didn't like "A" or "B". The movie folks (and Hasbro) most definitely read this site. Trust me

Your opinions are read. It doesn't necessarily mean that they'll change what they're doing but they'll certainly see it and have an opportunity to think about whether or not there's a better way to go about doing something. Keep in mind that they make movies for a living. They do what they do because there's generally a formula to follow ... just like me with making websites. I don't start from scratch with every website I make ... a ton of elements get reused with each website I make. There's no sense in reinventing the wheel and this most certainly applies to movies as well. These guys know what they're doing, which is very evident when the movie has made almost a 1/2 BILLION dollars already in the first month (before DVD sales).

I imagine they would be more willing to listen to some of you if you'll give them credit for what you've done and present your ideas in a fashion that's more like "here's what I think could be done to make the next movie even better!"

by **Cthulhunicron** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:22 am

Personally, I liked the movie. It was a very fun, very entertaining movie. It definitely had its problems, but those imperfections don't prevent me from enjoying the movie. There definitely are some things I really wish had been done differently, but oh well.

I also agree that the "it's just a movie" or "it's just fiction" argument is pretty stupid. If that's the case, then every movie ever made is awesome, and we shouldn't bother comparing different movies or recognizing really solid writing, acting, directing, etc. when we see it.

by **Divebomb01** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:03 am

Seibertron wrote:
present your ideas in a fashion that's more like "here's what I think could be done to make the next movie even better!"

But didnt they ignore people the first time they tried this? And it was that attitude that lead to the militant behaviour of some fans.

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:17 am

Bigchin wrote:
Riotflea wrote:"Fiction" does not have to mean "a story told in a crappy fashion".
It just doesn't.
Period.

The voice of sanity. Nothing in movie fandom pisses me off more than 'It's only a movie, just enjoy it and don't analyse!' I loved the TF film personally, but it had problems. Why should I pretend it didn't? By ignoring (or putting so much effort in trying to ignore, as some people seem to be doing) a movie's drawbacks, you should therefore love every movie ever made, unconditionally, no matter how bad. This attitude really gets on my tits. It's how Russell T Davies has gotten away with three seasons of poorly written Who; viewers don't care about the gaping plot holes and atrocious writing because it's sci-fi, it's silly, it's only TV, on and on. I'm with Riotflea - yep, fiction is made up. That's no excuse for the creators of whatever movie, book or TV show to lazily cut corners. Wake up.

Yah... technically, every movie has alot of work put into it... but as for the final product being "good"? Not very often. Rare, even.

Cthulhunicron
Post Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:22 am Post subject:

I also agree that the "it's just a movie" or "it's just fiction" argument is pretty stupid. If that's the case, then every movie ever made is awesome, and we shouldn't bother comparing different movies or recognizing really solid writing, acting, directing, etc. when we see it.

::remembers thinking, "Oh. dear. god. NO." at Don Murphy's board, the banner being him holding a sign saying "It's just a movie"::

Seibertron :
I still can't get over that one of my favorite things from the movie is Frenzy, a character I despised up until the moment I saw the movie a month ago today.

Alot of us liked him. But not as a Transformer... as THE bad guy of the movie, a psychotic, caffeine-driven twerp much like the gremlins of old stories... running around laughing, messing up machines.
He WAS the Decepticons. The other ones were just (very briefly) "there".

Seibertron :
Not to mention Judy Witwicky, a made-up character that I thought didn't belong because she didn't exist in the G1 continuity. I originally would've loved to have seen her written out of the movie but she turned out to be one of my favorite characters in the movie as well as well as a key part to some of my favorite scenes ("they better keep their hands off my bush!")

The whole "masturbation + square parents" thing was done in American Pie and a million other movies.
Sure, don't waste time reinventing the wheel, but holy crap. Transformers? Big robots?

These guys know what they're doing, which is very evident when the movie has made almost a 1/2 BILLION dollars already in the first month (before DVD sales).

Agreed. Yet what they did was not make a good Transformers movie.
They were handed a golden, hard-to-screw-up franchise and made alot of FAST money on it. You could say that's an accomplishment, and to a point it is, given the sales. But it's not indicative of a movie being good.
Paris Hilton... the Macarena... Independence Day... popular, but far from good.

Seibertron :
I imagine they would be more willing to listen to some of you if you'll give them credit for what you've done and present your ideas in a fashion that's more like "here's what I think could be done to make the next movie even better!"

Oof, doubt it. Highly.
It's hard to applaud someone who plopped a blob of boiled asparagus on your plate when you initially said you wanted pizza.
It's even harder to bend over and ask them to make it taste more like pizza the NEXT time.
It's still going to be what it is.

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:11 am

Divebomb01 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
present your ideas in a fashion that's more like "here's what I think could be done to make the next movie even better!"

But didnt they ignore people the first time they tried this? And it was that attitude that lead to the militant behaviour of some fans.

No, I don't think so. It got Peter Cullen for the voice of Optimus Prime, right?

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:13 am

DorkimusPrime wrote:
Divebomb01 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
present your ideas in a fashion that's more like "here's what I think could be done to make the next movie even better!"

But didnt they ignore people the first time they tried this? And it was that attitude that lead to the militant behaviour of some fans.

No, I don't think so. It got Peter Cullen for the voice of Optimus Prime, right?

... ... ...lord. I hope they didn't get a hernia while executing a task of that magnitude.
<__<

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:26 am

No, Sarcasm Machine, my point was they may occasionally listen when the advice is something more constructive than "don't suck".

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:03 am

Sarcasm Machine. :grin:

Well, there was buttloads of constructive criticism flying around (negative criticisms not helped by the fact Don Murphy was insulting people left and right on a personal level) at the earliest rumblings of a movie.

How SO many bits of advice, help, guidance, whatever towards a good movie was voiced, the end product doesn't show it.
The "nice" period of input is over.
Now all there is left is distrust, that more criticism will end up ignored as well.

And out with the niceness comes the slams. It'd be great to not see things voiced that way, but speaking softly has proven near pointless.

The whole image of, "OH MY GOD! We're movie makers and we're TALKING TO THE FANS!" was a ruse. Little more than a promotional tool... almost as if they'd had THEIR way of doing things set early on, merely stating fans were involved in order to create an idea that their input helped shape the drastic (and questionable) things they already knew were coming.

A preemptive strike, an early buffer against the horrified cries that were imminent, if you will.

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:42 am

And not a particularly intricate buffer, either, I'd like to point out.

Ever since the this current tidal wave of superhero movies, Hollywood producers have learned that it's good publicity to claim that they are listening to the fans, even that they are fans.

It's on the same level of sincerity as good, old stock statements like "The crew was like a family" or "I've never laughed as much just reading a script before".

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:49 am

It was obvious to me from day one that Don Murphy was talking out his arse and didn't give a stuff about the opinions of fans.

Let's face it, as "executive producer" he was nothing more than a glorified secretary. So the only way for him to get any real recognition for this movie was to "represent the fans". It was nothing more than a publicity stunt to boost his own ego.

Of course now that his ego is inflated, he wouldn't be able to see that the movie would have been a financial success even without him.

And yes, I enjoyed the movie, despite Don Murphy's involvement.

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:53 am

Creature SH wrote:And not a particularly intricate buffer, either, I'd like to point out.

Ever since the this current tidal wave of superhero movies, Hollywood producers have learned that it's good publicity to claim that they are listening to the fans, even that they are fans.

It's on the same level of sincerity as good, old stock statements like "The crew was like a family" or "I've never laughed as much just reading a script before".

"When I was in China on the All-America ping-pong team, I just loved playing ping-pong with my Flex-o-lite ping-pong paddle"... ...which everybody knows isn't true, but Mama said it was just a little white lie... ...it wasn't hurting nobody.

Oh, how many on-the-set interviews seen with a table of G1 guys standing on it, with actors pretending they knew of them.
Purely insulting, nonsensical madness.

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:17 am

So this page of this thread (and a chunk of the thread in general) is near-completely filled with people whose only definition of a fan is "someone who agrees with my take on everything".

There's a business here that advertises "If you can't wait five minutes, you deserve fast food" - and I'll amend that statement a little bit. If you can't open your mind, you deserve to not enjoy anything new.

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:24 am

DorkimusPrime wrote:So this page of this thread (and a chunk of the thread in general) is near-completely filled with people whose only definition of a fan is "someone who agrees with my take on everything".

Question: Whoever said that somebody who doesn't agree is not a fan ? Show me an example, please.

by **Divebomb01** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:25 am

Two wrongs dont make right though DorkimusPrime, saying that the people who didnt enjoy this movie 'cant open their minds' is just as bad as 'im going to define a transformers fan by my standards'. Its hypocritical at worst and tit for tat name calling...

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:28 am

Creature SH wrote:
DorkimusPrime wrote:So this page of this thread (and a chunk of the thread in general) is near-completely filled with people whose only definition of a fan is "someone who agrees with my take on everything".

Question: Whoever said that somebody who doesn't agree is not a fan ? Show me an example, please.

your whole take on the movie. You don't agree with what they did, so they obviously aren't "fans"

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:29 am

I enjoy ALOT of new things in this world!

Just not poorly designed robots crunched between VERY old cliche' "humor".

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:32 am

your whole take on the movie. You don't agree with what they did, so they obviously aren't "fans"

What G1 fans say things like "why do alien space robots need spaceships?", "Soundwave was a dumb character" while constantly calling Scorponok, "Scorponox". :))

"Hi Jazz!"
"That's Leader-1... a Gobot..."

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:34 am

I always wondered why they needed space ships, myself...I mean...it's not like they need air; they talk just fine under water, despite what Bumblebee would have you think when he tried water skiing.

In space, noone can hear you scream. Despite that Cosmos can talk in space.

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:38 am

Well, I see it like this.

They lived on a planet... I ASSUME there were structures, therefore the need for transporting of materials... and that migrating into space and to other planets took place.

Then you have transport of the wounded, after a hard day's battle... transport of indigineous lifeforms in danger of getting in between fights... etc, etc...

Not to mention for the carrying of mega-weapons.

by **Sonray** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:40 am

Seibertron wrote:Strongly disagree with the sentiments in the original post of this thread. If you only look for the negatives, you will only see the negatives. Is the glass half empty or is it half full? I've read a ton of really great reviews. The astonishing ticket sales speak volumes all on their own. The negative nancy's had their time. Now it's time for the majority of the people who seemed to have vastly enjoyed this movie to bask in this moment for which we've waited over 4 years.

I just saw the movie tonight for the 8th time. Each time I see the movie I notice something new, or enjoyed a scene more than I did the last time. The movie is most definitely not a perfect movie. It's loaded with flaws, contradictions and as many plot holes as a bar of swiss cheese. But I love the movie for what it is. I love seeing non-Transformers fans enjoying the ultimate highlight of my time with the fandom during the past 23 years.

I'm glad that we can at last share our fandom with the rest of the world. I'm thrilled that the rest of the world responded so positively to this movie.

The movie is now a permanent part of the Transformers lore. It is final. Nothing can be changed about the movie that we all saw. It is now a part of the Transformers history. It is also the Transformers future. You can either learn to accept that which you cannot change and find something good or positive to enjoy in the movie experience or you can be miserable wishing change upon things over which you have no control. I choose to find the positive things that I thoroughly enjoyed in the movie rather than dwell on the things that I did not like.

I did what I could with Seibertron.com last year to hopefully influence some decisions. I think I was able to successfully rally a movement (or light fire beneath the movement, depending on your perspective) against the look of Megatron's head. I picked a battle that I was very sensitive about that I felt we actually had a chance at changing. I picked the right battle it appears. It seemed that we were collectively successful with our endeavors and that the movie folks most definitely heard us very loud and clear at OUR collective displeasure with the look of Megatron's head last summer. I still don't like how his body looks but it can't be changed at this point. I can still say I don't like it, but there's no sense dwelling on it and hating the whole movie because I don't like how Megatron's body looks. It is what it is. It cannot be changed at this point.

I found the things that I did like in the movie and focused on those things instead ... and boy, did I find plenty of things to thoroughly enjoy in the movie. I still can't get over that one of my favorite things from the movie is Frenzy, a character I despised up until the moment I saw the movie a month ago today. Not to mention Judy Witwicky, a made-up character that I thought didn't belong because she didn't exist in the G1 continuity. I originally would've loved to have seen her written out of the movie but she turned out to be one of my favorite characters in the movie as well as well as a key part to some of my favorite scenes ("they better keep their hands off my bush!")

So I ask those of you who continue to complain about something you cannot change: is your glass half empty or half full?

*bows* Couldnt have said it better myself.

Now, what did meg's head originally look like? I didnt know they changed it or that the fandom had anything to do with the design?

by **DorkimusPrime** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:41 am

Riotflea, you know what happens when you ASS U ME. :lol:

by **Riotflea** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:44 am

DorkimusPrime wrote:Riotflea, you know what happens when you ASS U ME.

I'd like to respond in a half-decent manner... but WTF j00 talkin' bout?

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:44 am

DorkimusPrime wrote:your whole take on the movie. You don't agree with what they did, so they obviously aren't "fans"

Oooh, you speak of the movie folks.
Of course they're not fans. They're not even in the right age group for the most part. Michael Bay himself didn't even want to do the movie at first.

Besides, I don't think that we really have to be careful not to hurt their feelings on here.

by **Sonray** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:45 am

Burn wrote:It was obvious to me from day one that Don Murphy was talking out his arse and didn't give a stuff about the opinions of fans.

Let's face it, as "executive producer" he was nothing more than a glorified secretary. So the only way for him to get any real recognition for this movie was to "represent the fans". It was nothing more than a publicity stunt to boost his own ego.

Of course now that his ego is inflated, he wouldn't be able to see that the movie would have been a financial success even without him.

And yes, I enjoyed the movie, despite Don Murphy's involvement.

Actually...spielberg was the exec producer.

by **Sonray** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:49 am

Creature SH wrote:
DorkimusPrime wrote:your whole take on the movie. You don't agree with what they did, so they obviously aren't "fans"

Oooh, you speak of the movie folks.
Of course they're not fans. They're not even in the right age group for the most part. Michael Bay himself didn't even want to do the movie at first.

Besides, I don't think that we really have to be careful not to hurt their feelings on here.

Ok, now THATS bullshit. Im a life long TF fan and i loved the movie, and i know countless others who are the same. So obviously you have an upset stomach and you are suffering from diarrhoea of the mouth when you say crap like that.

If anyone is a non fan, its people bitching and whining about the movie not being a 25-year old G1 remake.

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