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Saber Prime wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwEc7dkm36Y

Not the best quality but where do you see the tow truck in there? There's a clear shot of his back and I see no hook in it. Front view I see nothing behind him.

2 things

1] Put the DVD in....its far eaizer to see.The tow truck drives up and brings BB with it.

2] get your eyes checked

in the first second of that clip you can see the hook part sticking up behind BB's head and in front of the street sign.

Saber Prime wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwEc7dkm36Y

Not the best quality but where do you see the tow truck in there? There's a clear shot of his back and I see no hook in it. Front view I see nothing behind him.

Interestingly enough, that's the video clip I mentioned. You see, it doesn't show Bumblebee arriving on the scene, but at the same time it doesn't show his legs.

Watch the movie, because you are very wrong, and no matter how much you argue this you aren't going to be right.

Shadowman wrote:Watch the movie, because you are very wrong, and no matter how much you argue this you aren't going to be right.

Well we can still give him credit for sticking to his guns

Even thou their out of ammunition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwFbnwk6UEY
time frame 08:52.

BTW the clip is really bad but you can make it out.

What I want to know Sabe is why you would think that we're all telling you something wrong????

That's even worse quality and annoing to watch with the kid in the backround but you see Mikala arrive in the Tow Truck after that it's never seen again in any of the shots with Bumblebee in it and Bumblebee appears to be moving in a way he wouldn't be able to if he were just a torso hanging from a Truck. (he appears to step forward right as he's saying "Premittion to speak sir" The entire right side of his body moves forward. If he were just a torso either only his head would move or the left side of his body would be moving back insted of staying stationary.)

There's a mistake in there somewhere. When Mikala arries Bumblebee is still hanging from the back of the truck but she stops the truck with the front of the vehicle faceing where the Autobots and Sam are standing. She gets out and the truck is suddenly faceing the oppiste direction from where she parked it. (that is if Bumblebee is indeed still hooked to the back of the truck at this point) Mikala is shown standing next to the back of the tow truck several times after she gets out of the vehicle and Bumblebee is no where in sight.

How is it that if Bumblebee is hooked to the truck if neither of them are seen in the same place after the Truck stops moving and Bumblebee is able to move while attached to a stationary truck.

There's something black sticking up behind Bumblebee in the close ups that I'm not sure what it is but in the shots of the truck the rig for the tow hook is white not black.

Allso at 8:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwFbnwk6UEY it looks like Bumblebee is standing up from a sitting position. He leans forward and puts his arms at his side just like any person does when they're getting out of a chair. Even though he may of technically arrived with Makala attached to the Truck it doesn't look like he's still attached to it at any point after that.

And I've watched that clip about 20 times while righting this post. Either Bumblebee has legs or he's some how able to move while hanging from a stationary truck that is not even near him.

Any time the white riging is visible on the Towtruck if Bumblebee is indeeded attached to it you should be able to see him, you can't. Any time Bumblebee is shown you should be able to see that white rigging behind him if he's still attached to it. You can't.

That's all fine and dandy, but you're still wrong. And you won't convince anyone when all you do is grasp at straws in fuzzy clips rather than watch the movie like everyone else.

Saber Prime wrote:That's even worse quality and annoing to watch with the kid in the backround but you see Mikala arrive in the Tow Truck after that it's never seen again in any of the shots with Bumblebee in it

Thats not completly accurate.

Like I said you can see part of the hook when he's speaking.

Saber Prime wrote: and Bumblebee appears to be moving in a way he wouldn't be able to if he were just a torso hanging from a Truck. (he appears to step forward right as he's saying "Premittion to speak sir" The entire right side of his body moves forward. If he were just a torso either only his head would move or the left side of his body would be moving back insted of staying stationary.)

Seems to me more like he's hanging and twisting his upper body and shoulders.

I also think you got that impression because the camera seems to be moving as well.

Saber Prime wrote:There's a mistake in there somewhere. When Mikala arries Bumblebee is still hanging from the back of the truck but she stops the truck with the front of the vehicle faceing where the Autobots and Sam are standing. She gets out and the truck is suddenly faceing the oppiste direction from where she parked it.

You need to look at it a bit more closely.What happened is that they clipped some of the scene off......When she pulls up she doesnt come to a complete stop.

So you can tell what she did was pull in...then pull back and froward again till the drivers door was facing Same and BB was facing Prime.

Its not a mistake...its bad editing.

I also remember seeing an extended version of that scene in one of the "Behind the scenes" interviews or specials.

Saber Prime wrote: (that is if Bumblebee is indeed still hooked to the back of the truck at this point) Mikala is shown standing next to the back of the tow truck several times after she gets out of the vehicle and Bumblebee is no where in sight..

I'm not sure what you mean.

After she gets out she walks to the back of the truck and stands right in front of BB....right as Ratchet says "Prime we couldnt save him" about Jazz

Saber Prime wrote:
How is it that if Bumblebee is hooked to the truck if neither of them are seen in the same place after the Truck stops moving and Bumblebee is able to move while attached to a stationary truck..

See above to my responce to both.

Saber Prime wrote:There's something black sticking up behind Bumblebee in the close ups that I'm not sure what it is but in the shots of the truck the rig for the tow hook is white not black..

Dude I know you have an issue with admitting mistakes or errors but you're taking it to a whole new level.

The main arm was white but the hook and chain was very dark in color....almost black.

If you have it on DVD put it in and watch it because your not going to prove anything watching a Youtube vid.

You hate the fill so much your seeing issues where there are none.

Saber Prime wrote:
Allso at 8:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwFbnwk6UEY it looks like Bumblebee is standing up from a sitting position. He leans forward and puts his arms at his side just like any person does when they're getting out of a chair..

To be it looked like he was just setting himself upright after being dragged.

Your trying way to hard to find fault here.

Saber Prime wrote: Even though he may of technically arrived with Makala attached to the Truck it doesn't look like he's still attached to it at any point after that..

It sure does to me.

Saber Prime wrote:And I've watched that clip about 20 times while righting this post. Either Bumblebee has legs or he's some how able to move while hanging from a stationary truck that is not even near him..

Have you ever hanged from a pole or a hook???

Better yet have you ever seen a movie or a tv show where a nerdie guy is picked up and hung on something.

I wouldnt believe you if you said no because I've seen that kind of stuff in 100's of different shows.

The point is that those people were still able to move their spine and shoulders and wiggle around while hanging,,,,,and BB doesnt look to be doing anything different then that.

Saber Prime wrote:Any time the white riging is visible on the Towtruck if Bumblebee is indeeded attached to it you should be able to see him, you can't. Any time Bumblebee is shown you should be able to see that white rigging behind him if he's still attached to it. You can't.

The hook part was dark colored and the arm was white.

Watch the DVD and you'll see.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:your not going to prove anything watching a Youtube vid.

Hey, you're the one who posted the link to that video if you got a problem with it don't post it. You got the movie, you can get a higher quality version of that scene put on youtube.

As for the whole "watch the DVD" argument. Does anyone pay attention to my posts? I hated that movie, I don't even own the damn DVD. I gave that movie to my brother and never bothered to buy another copy so I don't even have the option to watch it right now unless I get clips off the internet or go back over to my brother's in the middle of the night.

Even if you didn't realize that still are you really so arrogant that you think everyone has that movie and can just watch it any time they want? You assume to much and talk like I should own this movie or it's the end of the world.

Short version, insted of complaining about the quality and telling me to watch the DVD try uploading the sceen yourself with higher quality, it's not that hard. If I had the movie I would of done it myself insted of sitting here watching other youtube videos with crapy quality.

Saber Prime wrote:And I've watched that clip about 20 times while righting this post. Either Bumblebee has legs or he's some how able to move while hanging from a stationary truck that is not even near him..

Have you ever hanged from a pole or a hook???

Better yet have you ever seen a movie or a tv show where a nerdie guy is picked up and hung on something.

I wouldnt believe you if you said no because I've seen that kind of stuff in 100's of different shows.

The point is that those people were still able to move their spine and shoulders and wiggle around while hanging,,,,,and BB doesnt look to be doing anything different then that.

There is a difference that I've allready described.

If you're hanging in the air both sides of your body would be moving at the same time. As your right moves forward your left moves backward and vice versa. Bumblebee was not doing this. As one side of his body moved forward the other side stayed stationary as if he were standing in place but took a step forward to better face the person (Optimus Prime) he was talking to.

Pluse if you were freely hanging you'd be swinging or rocking from side to side gently not just make one sudden move forward and stop like Bumblebee did.

Hell it'd be easier for me to take one of my toys and hang it from a rope than to try and exsplain this. And I probly will in the morning when the light is better so my camera can actully see. (Stupid camera can't see in normal room lighting only seems to work in natural sun light.)

Saber Prime wrote:Hey, you're the one who posted the link to that video if you got a problem with it don't post it. You got the movie, you can get a higher quality version of that scene put on youtube.

I wasnt complaining about the quality of the vid...I was complaining about a lack of vids of that movie on youtube.

Saber Prime wrote:As for the whole "watch the DVD" argument. Does anyone pay attention to my posts? I hated that movie, I don't even own the damn DVD. I gave that movie to my brother and never bothered to buy another copy so I don't even have the option to watch it right now unless I get clips off the internet or go back over to my brother's in the middle of the night.

Even if you didn't realize that still are you really so arrogant that you think everyone has that movie and can just watch it any time they want? You assume to much and talk like I should own this movie or it's the end of the world.

I know your not a fan of the film but I would have thought that you would have bought it or that a family member or friend would have bought it for you.

And I want trying to suggest that you must have it....just that if you did it would be easier to watch and see what we've been saying.

Saber Prime wrote:Short version, insted of complaining about the quality and telling me to watch the DVD try uploading the sceen yourself with higher quality, it's not that hard. If I had the movie I would of done it myself insted of sitting here watching other youtube videos with crapy quality.

Short version...your taking this way to personal for some reason???Is everything all right???

As for your other comment....ever since that virus I got on my pc....the one we both talked about before.....I cant use DVD's on my pc.

Everytime I do it shuts down my computer.

And I wouldnt even know how anyway.

Saber Prime wrote:If you're hanging in the air both sides of your body would be moving at the same time. As your right moves forward your left moves backward and vice versa. Bumblebee was not doing this. As one side of his body moved forward the other side stayed stationary as if he were standing in place but took a step forward to better face the person (Optimus Prime) he was talking to.

Pluse if you were freely hanging you'd be swinging or rocking from side to side gently not just make one sudden move forward and stop like Bumblebee did.

And BB was never hanging freely in the air.

He was being draged on the ground.

In short his ASS was always touching the floof.

Even in the post you made before you pointed out a scene where BB's propping himself up.

Basicly it looked like he was either taking his butt off the ground and putting it on the back of the truck, or he was bulling himself up a bit trying to sit as tall as possible.

Either way he was never free hanging.And he could have manuvered a bit on a stump or a hip bone [so to speak]

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And BB was never hanging freely in the air.

Exactly my point.

He was being draged on the ground.

Still the movement wasn't right for that either. He would of had to have his legs back at that point or been walking on his hands in order to make that movement but if he was walking on his hands his right arm would of had more movement.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And BB was never hanging freely in the air.

Exactly my point.

He was being draged on the ground.

Still the movement wasn't right for that either. He would of had to have his legs back at that point or been walking on his hands in order to make that movement but if he was walking on his hands his right arm would of had more movement.

Am I missing something? The bottom line is there is no CLEAR evidence that they're back. We can speculate out the wazz-oo that they might be there, but we don't see them there.

This goes back to the "I was lied to about self-healing robots". There is no CLEAR evidence supporting self-healing robots aside from how humans can self-heal after being knocked out from a fight (ala Barricade).

In all due respect SaberPrime. I have no problem with you questioning things about the movie. No problem what so ever. But you have made some arguments (like Frenzy being self-healed when it was actually the AllSpark that did it) that I'm going to chalk up as mis-understandings since you gave your copy of the movie away after watching likely only one time (I obviously have no idea how many times you watched it, but going by your dislike for it and how you gave it away... one time is a decent guess). Therefore your memory of events in the movie may not be as clear as someone who has watched it over and over again.

That doesn't mean you can't debate things! Sure you can, but please admit your mistakes (like the Frenzy healing thing) when you indeed did not remember something correctly.

I'll do the same.

I hope there are no hard feelings here.

I still can see why you would question how Bumblebee got his voice back, because that is indeed a mystery and up for speculation.

ALSO -- and no one has brought this up -- we do see Bumbleebee back in his Camaro mode at the very end of the movie, appearing to be (at least in his alt mode) completely healed. Now some time has passed from the Mission City events to when the movie ends with Prime speaking on the top of that cliff... so we can again speculate that Ratchet worked on repairing Bumblebee... but I suppose it could have been added to our debate on this whole thing.

theyre back

1. Saber, you're wrong.

2. If you hate the movie, stop posting about it.

3. So tired of these threads.

4. Love the lock topic feature.