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Mr.Bond007 wrote:Seibertron wrote:Patience is definitely something a lot of people in this thread need a great deal of. Especially those of you who are bad mouthing Hasbro (who does more for us than you'll ever know) and the consiracy theorists folks. It's the same thing every time that figures are short on the shelves. The toys stores and manufacturers are preparing for the Christmas season. Happens every. single. year. 85% of the Transformer toys generally go to little Jimmy thanks to Mommy and Daddy. Has nothing to do with scalpers or ebayers or anything. Supply and demand. There just happens to be a ton more demand than there is supply at this time. It's simple business. I assure you, if Hasbro could flood the shelves with these things, they would. They don't make money on scalpers or whoever selling stuff in the aftermarket. Hasbro wants these figures on the shelf just as much as you do. In fact, I'm sure they want the figures on the shelves more than any of us combined. That's how they make money and stay in business.
That may be but yet if hasbro cared as much as u said they would have steped up production on july 3rd. If u look at this forum nobody has found any new deluxes that to me spells hasbro dropped the ball. And if u say scalpers aren't to blaim than why is it i see a youtube with a guy wit 7 bumblebees and ebay auctions with 5 in one auction and selleres with like 10 for sale sorry to sound rude but im fed up lookin for 08 bumble and not finding jack
Autobot032 wrote:Mr.Bond007 wrote:Seibertron wrote:Patience is definitely something a lot of people in this thread need a great deal of. Especially those of you who are bad mouthing Hasbro (who does more for us than you'll ever know) and the consiracy theorists folks. It's the same thing every time that figures are short on the shelves. The toys stores and manufacturers are preparing for the Christmas season. Happens every. single. year. 85% of the Transformer toys generally go to little Jimmy thanks to Mommy and Daddy. Has nothing to do with scalpers or ebayers or anything. Supply and demand. There just happens to be a ton more demand than there is supply at this time. It's simple business. I assure you, if Hasbro could flood the shelves with these things, they would. They don't make money on scalpers or whoever selling stuff in the aftermarket. Hasbro wants these figures on the shelf just as much as you do. In fact, I'm sure they want the figures on the shelves more than any of us combined. That's how they make money and stay in business.
That may be but yet if hasbro cared as much as u said they would have steped up production on july 3rd. If u look at this forum nobody has found any new deluxes that to me spells hasbro dropped the ball. And if u say scalpers aren't to blaim than why is it i see a youtube with a guy wit 7 bumblebees and ebay auctions with 5 in one auction and selleres with like 10 for sale sorry to sound rude but im fed up lookin for 08 bumble and not finding jack
I just preordered '08 Bumblebee from an online store and I was talking to the owner about this stock situation. He said Hasbro dropped the ball on this one, not only did they underestimate the demand, they haven't done anything to fix it. (And he should know, he orders directly from them. He is an online dealer.) He also said they can change their orders on a whim and the customers and stores have to deal with it.
Hell, he hasn't even gotten Ultimate Bumblebee in yet.
And speaking of scalpers...not only do they scalp the b&m stores, but now they're scalping all the other auctions. One jackass is buying up all the '08 Bumblebees that he can and he's selling them (B.I.N.) for $49.99 and his reserve...is the same price as his B.I.N.! (Is that even legal??)
So it is Hasbro and the scalpers. The parents deserve to be able to buy a toy for little Billy or Susie, and they can't, they're stuck just like us. Hasbro isn't doing much to help the situation, and the scalpers are just doing what they normally do. So, the demand is through the roof and looks like it's going to get worse.
The least they could do is try and address the production issues.
Mr.Bond007 wrote:Seibertron wrote:Patience is definitely something a lot of people in this thread need a great deal of. Especially those of you who are bad mouthing Hasbro (who does more for us than you'll ever know) and the consiracy theorists folks. It's the same thing every time that figures are short on the shelves. The toys stores and manufacturers are preparing for the Christmas season. Happens every. single. year. 85% of the Transformer toys generally go to little Jimmy thanks to Mommy and Daddy. Has nothing to do with scalpers or ebayers or anything. Supply and demand. There just happens to be a ton more demand than there is supply at this time. It's simple business. I assure you, if Hasbro could flood the shelves with these things, they would. They don't make money on scalpers or whoever selling stuff in the aftermarket. Hasbro wants these figures on the shelf just as much as you do. In fact, I'm sure they want the figures on the shelves more than any of us combined. That's how they make money and stay in business.
That may be but yet if hasbro cared as much as u said they would have steped up production on july 3rd. If u look at this forum nobody has found any new deluxes that to me spells hasbro dropped the ball. And if u say scalpers aren't to blaim than why is it i see a youtube with a guy wit 7 bumblebees and ebay auctions with 5 in one auction and selleres with like 10 for sale sorry to sound rude but im fed up lookin for 08 bumble and not finding jack
Seibertron wrote:If anyone did anything wrong, it was the retailers not buying enough stock because they probably figured that the Transformers toys would be pegsitters just like the Fantastic Four figures, the Ghost Rider figures, the Star Wars figures, the Spiderman movie figures and just about every other flick I can think of from the past decade or so that pours out tons and tons of movie products. Transformers has to be the first movie toy line I've ever seen where they just can't keep up with the demand. It's incredible. And I think it's rather hilarious watching everyone squirm because they're being impatient. If the shelves were flooded with TF movie figures right now, everyone would be bitching about how the toys aren't selling and what a failure the movie toy line was and blah blah blah. This fandom can be unbelievable at times!
D-340 wrote:As far as the fandom being unbelievable at times, is it all that suprising?
Mr.Bond007 wrote:Maybe that was a target bus that bonecrusher body checkedHe's mad cause his toy's not sellin
Seibertron wrote:D-340 wrote:
As far as the fandom being unbelievable at times, is it all that suprising?
Not at all. I just get tired of seeing people bitch and be jerks about Hasbro. During my tenure as the owner of Seibertron.com, I've gotten to meet some truly great people from Hasbro. They have all of our best interests in mind when it comes to this brand. There's a legit reason behind just about everything that happens with our hobby. You guys can toss your consipiracy and scalper theories right out the window because you're wasting your time on them.
Seibertron wrote:Mr.Bond007 wrote:Seibertron wrote:Patience is definitely something a lot of people in this thread need a great deal of. Especially those of you who are bad mouthing Hasbro (who does more for us than you'll ever know) and the consiracy theorists folks. It's the same thing every time that figures are short on the shelves. The toys stores and manufacturers are preparing for the Christmas season. Happens every. single. year. 85% of the Transformer toys generally go to little Jimmy thanks to Mommy and Daddy. Has nothing to do with scalpers or ebayers or anything. Supply and demand. There just happens to be a ton more demand than there is supply at this time. It's simple business. I assure you, if Hasbro could flood the shelves with these things, they would. They don't make money on scalpers or whoever selling stuff in the aftermarket. Hasbro wants these figures on the shelf just as much as you do. In fact, I'm sure they want the figures on the shelves more than any of us combined. That's how they make money and stay in business.
That may be but yet if hasbro cared as much as u said they would have steped up production on july 3rd. If u look at this forum nobody has found any new deluxes that to me spells hasbro dropped the ball. And if u say scalpers aren't to blaim than why is it i see a youtube with a guy wit 7 bumblebees and ebay auctions with 5 in one auction and selleres with like 10 for sale sorry to sound rude but im fed up lookin for 08 bumble and not finding jack
All this says to me is that you don't understand how the distribution works. Hasbro can't just make figures and say to Walmart "here put these on the shelves ok thanks." Walmart has to say "we'll buy X number of figures to put on the shelves." I believe this only traditionally happens in bulk at certain times of the year. Sure the retailers want to keep something on the shelves but they only REALLY stock up in mass around Christmas time. The rest of the year is kind of hit-or-miss unless you are really on the ball.
Correct me if I'm wrong: Hasbro doesn't make money when we buy figures at retailers. Hasbro makes money when Walmart, Toys R Us, Target, etc. buy the figures from Hasbro. Hasbro is technically done once the figures are in the hands of the retailers. I've also heard of instances where the manufacturer has to credit or buy back stock that isn't moving or selling some times (in particular I'm referencing Walmart) ... I imagine this is in cases when the product doesn't move within a specified time frame.
As for the scalpers: early bird gets the worm. Use the toy sightings section on this site and you'll figure out how to get the figures early as well. I live in Chicago. I'm sure there are more "scalpers" here than there are where you live (devil's advocate: there's also more stores here) ... yet I somehow always seem to find what I'm looking for when it's available.
Seibertron wrote:I'll tell you guys what ... if someone can write up a nice article about distribution patterns, how this always happens with summer releases, the impact of the movie on Hasbro's product levels, how Hasbro pays for shelf space at these stores (at least I think I've heard that before), how the scalper phenonmenon is basically a myth and so on and so on ... I'd be more than happy to post a very well written article up on the homepage and in the news section to get people to calm down about all of this. Hint hint hint!
Autobot032 wrote:There's never been a shortage this bad. Before anyone mentions the time in between G1/Action Masters and G2...those were the end, and reboot of the entire series. In between, it was fully dead. This, is an actual shortage, worse than the Nintendo Wii. At least you can find them after a period of time, hell I even got one.
Autobot032 wrote:Scalpers do buy up everything, which drives up demand. Hasbro didn't anticipate demand, which pushes the momentum, which drives up the demand.
In the end, all of this rests on Hasbro's shoulders. No, I don't think they should have to ensure that every household in America gets a figure (that's just crazy), but when demand is this big, and they even admit it ("We'll up production on Bumblebee") that should be a clue.
Seibertron wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Scalpers do buy up everything, which drives up demand. Hasbro didn't anticipate demand, which pushes the momentum, which drives up the demand.
In the end, all of this rests on Hasbro's shoulders. No, I don't think they should have to ensure that every household in America gets a figure (that's just crazy), but when demand is this big, and they even admit it ("We'll up production on Bumblebee") that should be a clue.
Well, then fault them for being a success then. That's an incredible problem to have. You talk about Hasbro like they're some evil corporate entity that's out to screw you over. Have you ever met anyone from Hasbro before? Have you ever talked to anyone from Hasbro? Do you realize that people from Hasbro quietly visit this site on a regular basis?
I'll give you credit that scalpers exist. But they're not the reason you can't find the figures in the store. You could have easily bought the figures as well. Don't give me this crap about the store employees doing it as well. It's a story I'm so tired of hearing. I'm sure it happens ... but nowhere near as much as the average fan boy who can't get his Transformers fix would like you to think. There's just not enough money in it to make it worth while for the scalper that people think runs around their town buying up all of the hot items. There's no way in the world the guy would know if the item would be of value or not.
You have just as many opportunities to buy the figure before these imaginary scalpers. Who's to say that if you don't find the last figure first at your local Target that the next guy after you isn't cursing those damn scalpers. Does that make you a scalper if you buy the last of a certain figure before someone else comes in looking for it? See where the whole scalper theory thing as the mass culprit doesn't work? It's all about perception. People would rather blame some "evil" scalper instead of just accepting the fact that they weren't there first.
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Is this not enough?
Are you not entertained?
Mr.Bond007 wrote:That may be but yet if hasbro cared as much as u said they would have steped up production on july 3rd. If u look at this forum nobody has found any new deluxes that to me spells hasbro dropped the ball. And if u say scalpers aren't to blaim than why is it i see a youtube with a guy wit 7 bumblebees and ebay auctions with 5 in one auction and selleres with like 10 for sale sorry to sound rude but im fed up lookin for 08 bumble and not finding jack
Hotrod wrote:Wait until right after Christmas when you guys are going to have the opposite complaint when stuff starts to clog shelves.
Bumbled wrote:I agree with Bonger in the fist 2-3 paragraphs I think where he said that they'll be smashing up on Christmas. TF has only been out for about a month and a half now or nearly... it's not going to go that fast... or you are seeing now is the whole lot going down and only the spares left behind. They are saving up, just like your saving up your moneyOctober or something there will be catalogs an Transformers will come back in them.
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