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News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:55 pm

Hey guys, are King Kong and Godzilla considered characters you think? Because if so, I think there are some BIG omissions here.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:12 am

Agreed. there are some interesting choices here both included and excluded

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:19 am

Top 100? Well deserved. Maybe for me, the top five but hey, you don't get everything you want in life. :-P

News Credits: 19 · by **Carnivius_Prime** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:36 am

I'd put him way higher. I frickin' love movie Optimus Prime.

News Credits: 1 · by **Lucky Logician** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:07 am

Optimus Prime chosen as one of the best movie characters of all time? :???:

Don't you need character development in order to actually be a character in a movie? :-?

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:35 am

Lucky Logician wrote:Optimus Prime chosen as one of the best movie characters of all time?

Don't you need character development in order to actually be a character in a movie?

Show me where he didn't have development.

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:59 am

william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, are King Kong and Godzilla considered characters you think? Because if so, I think there are some BIG omissions here.

Whoa, I didn't look at the list in detail. That's a huge muckup! :BOOM:

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:40 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
Show me where he didn't have development.

Sly I don't think you know what character development is.

I like the movies but even I can see how the robots have no character and only Optimus shows a little bit

But in no way does any of them have development.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:15 pm

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Show me where he didn't have development.

Sly I don't think you know what character development is.

I like the movies but even I can see how the robots have no character and only Optimus shows a little bit

But in no way does any of them have development.

Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Sentinel, and Lockdown all had it. The Fallen had a bit of it and so did Crosshairs, just a tiny bit. You can't tell me none of them had any development.

News Credits: 25 · by **SW's SilverHammer** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:21 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Show me where he didn't have development.

Sly I don't think you know what character development is.

I like the movies but even I can see how the robots have no character and only Optimus shows a little bit

But in no way does any of them have development.

Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Sentinel, and Lockdown all had it. The Fallen had a bit of it and so did Crosshairs, just a tiny bit. You can't tell me none of them had any development.

You're right, their development involved killing or dying.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:27 pm

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Show me where he didn't have development.

Sly I don't think you know what character development is.

I like the movies but even I can see how the robots have no character and only Optimus shows a little bit

But in no way does any of them have development.

Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Sentinel, and Lockdown all had it. The Fallen had a bit of it and so did Crosshairs, just a tiny bit. You can't tell me none of them had any development.

You're right, their development involved killing or dying.

what about the fact that optimus' opinions of humans flux all the time and lockdown is immensely dedicated to his creators, or Sentinel had his mission of saving his planet and that was the only goal?

News Credits: 25 · by **SW's SilverHammer** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:34 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Show me where he didn't have development.

Sly I don't think you know what character development is.

I like the movies but even I can see how the robots have no character and only Optimus shows a little bit

But in no way does any of them have development.

Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Sentinel, and Lockdown all had it. The Fallen had a bit of it and so did Crosshairs, just a tiny bit. You can't tell me none of them had any development.

You're right, their development involved killing or dying.

what about the fact that optimus' opinions of humans flux all the time and lockdown is immensely dedicated to his creators, or Sentinel had his mission of saving his planet and that was the only goal?

How could I forget about those. And then they killed people or died, that's what we call a character arc in the biz : D

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:11 pm

Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:18 pm

william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

He took off to go beat people up.

Same as he's been doing since the first movie.

Optimus Prime is nothing more than a bully looking to subjugate the Decepticons who are doing nothing more than wanting their race to expand across the galaxy.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:46 pm

william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

I'm sure by the end of AOE, Optimus still hates humanity. He just knows it's his duty to protect them, no matter what. After all, the reason the Decepticons came to Earth in the first place was his fault.

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:27 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

I'm sure by the end of AOE, Optimus still hates humanity. He just knows it's his duty to protect them, no matter what. After all, the reason the Decepticons came to Earth in the first place was his fault.

Except it was Megatron's fault since he started the war and got to Earth first.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:42 pm

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

I'm sure by the end of AOE, Optimus still hates humanity. He just knows it's his duty to protect them, no matter what. After all, the reason the Decepticons came to Earth in the first place was his fault.

Except it was Megatron's fault since he started the war and got to Earth first.

But Optimus sent the Allapsrk to Earth. If he hadn't, Megatron probably would have never even known about Earth.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:54 pm

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

I'm sure by the end of AOE, Optimus still hates humanity. He just knows it's his duty to protect them, no matter what. After all, the reason the Decepticons came to Earth in the first place was his fault.

Except it was Megatron's fault since he started the war and got to Earth first.

And it was The Fallen's fault for both turning Megatron to the dark side and for building the Great Machine on Earth in the first place, which is what drew the AllSpark to the planet. Optimus never knew of the Star Harvester being on Earth or that the AllSpark would be drawn to it. When he launched it, he shot it into the Alkaris Anomaly, a wormhole in space that has a potentially infinite number of exits, meaning that enters it gets spit out at random into ANY place in the universe. It just so happened that the AllSpark was still drawn to the Great Machine on Earth regardless of where it got spat out.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:59 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:But Optimus sent the Allapsrk to Earth. If he hadn't, Megatron probably would have never even known about Earth.

See my previous post right before this one. He did not send it to Earth, he sent it to the Alkaris Anomaly. The AllSpark went to Earth on its own, drawn there by The Fallen's Great Machine.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:10 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Well to be fair, tha autobots started in AOE by not caring about the humans. And at the end, they do. So much so that Optimus then rises to space to take down anyone who would hurt his beloved human friends. Isn't that development?

I'm sure by the end of AOE, Optimus still hates humanity. He just knows it's his duty to protect them, no matter what. After all, the reason the Decepticons came to Earth in the first place was his fault.

Except it was Megatron's fault since he started the war and got to Earth first.
And it was The Fallen's fault for both turning Megatron to the dark side and for building the Great Machine on Earth in the first place, which is what drew the AllSpark to the planet. Optimus never knew of the Star Harvester being on Earth or that the AllSpark would be drawn to it. When he launched it, he shot it into the Alkaris Anomaly, a wormhole in space that has a potentially infinite number of exits, meaning that enters it gets spit out at random into ANY place in the universe. It just so happened that the AllSpark was still drawn to the Great Machine on Earth regardless of where it got spat out.

I watched all the films and I never got that story from them.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:15 pm

It's war, violence can be expected. And in this case, it seems the best way to end a war is to annihilate those threatening said life. Optimus just became more of a warrior than a philosopher in the movies, and to me thats cool. slight tweak to the character

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:19 pm

william-james88 wrote:I watched all the films and I never got that story from them.

That's cuz the movies can't be bothered to go that deep into its own lore, leaving that task to fall to the Movieverse comics and novels instead (back when those were a thing, anyway, in the pre-AOE years).

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:But Optimus sent the Allapsrk to Earth. If he hadn't, Megatron probably would have never even known about Earth.
See my previous post right before this one. He did not send it to Earth, he sent it to the Alkaris Anomaly. The AllSpark went to Earth on its own, drawn there by The Fallen's Great Machine.

I know he didn't sent it to Earth on purpose. But if he hadn't jettisoned it off Cybertron, it never would have found its way to Earth in the first place.

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:01 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:But Optimus sent the Allapsrk to Earth. If he hadn't, Megatron probably would have never even known about Earth.
See my previous post right before this one. He did not send it to Earth, he sent it to the Alkaris Anomaly. The AllSpark went to Earth on its own, drawn there by The Fallen's Great Machine.

I know he didn't sent it to Earth on purpose. But if he hadn't jettisoned it off Cybertron, it never would have found its way to Earth in the first place.

Which he did cause of Megatron and the Decepticons which in the movies clearly show they are psychotic and not like G1 or other continuities

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:01 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:But Optimus sent the Allapsrk to Earth. If he hadn't, Megatron probably would have never even known about Earth.
See my previous post right before this one. He did not send it to Earth, he sent it to the Alkaris Anomaly. The AllSpark went to Earth on its own, drawn there by The Fallen's Great Machine.

I know he didn't sent it to Earth on purpose. But if he hadn't jettisoned it off Cybertron, it never would have found its way to Earth in the first place.

If he hadn't jettisoned it, Megatron would have seized it and won in the end, and that's a BAD thing.