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Rather than bury this away at the bottom of one of the many threads that get started on what seems like an hourly basis asking why the allspark cube created only evil transformers in the new movie, I figured I might as well start a new thread for this.

Back at Botcon, the writers said at one of their panels that the reason the cube made evil TF's was because all of Earth's technology was reverse engineered from Megatron, and thus any TF's created from it would be evil, like Megs. However, in an interview posted over at tfw2005, it looks like Roberto Orci has changed his answer. Here's a quote:

How come the Allspark created TFs were all Decepticons?

Prime intended to use the Allspark to repower Cybertron as it was intended. Megatron wants to abuse it by creating Transformers directly, which makes souless, primal Transformers.

So maybe that's the official answer now. Or maybe there isn't one. Or maybe the sequel(s) will explain it officially. Or maybe it's just a goof up and I'm gonna give up trying to figure it out.

Regardless, maybe this might at least curb the stream of new threads asking this question.

I like the idea that it was because the "new-born" Transformers would be confused, uneducated, unprogrammed "basic" robots that are what we could imagine to be the equivalent of a bunch of lost toddlers throwing a huge collective temper tantrum.

Repugnus wrote:Back at Botcon, the writers said at one of their panels that the reason the cube made evil TF's was because all of Earth's technology was reverse engineered from Megatron, and thus any TF's created from it would be evil, like Megs.

This theory is also really clever, and I never thought about it until now. It even makes more sense than the other one.

As for Orci changing his answer, he didn't really change it per se, he just stated what was stated in the movie, he doesn't really answer the question, he just tells us something we already knew.

I am not a big fan of the whole idea in the first place. Why does the All-Spark have to be so magical and create living robots out of this air? I could see it if the Transformers constructed others like themsleves and the All-Spark was tapped for its life-giving spark, but just having a stupid cell phone explode into an instant Transformer is just lame to me. You would think they could have been more creative with the back story than just have a cube instantly and magically creating the most complex evolved alien species.

Skowl wrote:I like the idea that it was because the "new-born" Transformers would be confused, uneducated, unprogrammed "basic" robots that are what we could imagine to be the equivalent of a bunch of lost toddlers throwing a huge collective temper tantrum.

Repugnus wrote:Back at Botcon, the writers said at one of their panels that the reason the cube made evil TF's was because all of Earth's technology was reverse engineered from Megatron, and thus any TF's created from it would be evil, like Megs.

This theory is also really clever, and I never thought about it until now. It even makes more sense than the other one.

As for Orci changing his answer, he didn't really change it per se, he just stated what was stated in the movie, he doesn't really answer the question, he just tells us something we already knew.

I agree. The part about the intentions doesn't make sense because it was Sam that dropped it and Megatron never got his hands on the All Spark.

I am not a big fan of the whole idea in the first place. Why does the All-Spark have to be so magical and create living robots out of this air?

Better yet, it reconfigures metal, plastic, silicon and whatnot into robots, but not minerals inside a cave or rocks?

Repugnus wrote:

How come the Allspark created TFs were all Decepticons?

Prime intended to use the Allspark to repower Cybertron as it was intended. Megatron wants to abuse it by creating Transformers directly, which makes souless, primal Transformers.

Then how were the Autobots created?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the All-Spark play the "Vector Sigma" role? If so, then why are the Autobots not 'soulless, primal Transformers?"

I personally like the idea that the transformers it creates in the movie are missing something(programming, "training", etc.); and require that to become more than a mindless killing machine.

I think a mix of the reverse engineering thing, along with the intent portion would be an excellent explanation.

The title of this thread is misleading. I thought it was explaining how the cube went from HUGE to tiny. Oh well, I was wondering why all the Allspark-created TF's were evil as it was.................

Hmmmm... I have an idea:

A. The Allspark created a soulless Transformer.
B. An already existing Transformer (or two) has to contribute a piece of his "spark" to the new TF, thereby giving it a "soul", otherwise it just runs around aimlessly shooting at stuff.

Lord_Megatron wrote:I am not a big fan of the whole idea in the first place. Why does the All-Spark have to be so magical and create living robots out of this air? I could see it if the Transformers constructed others like themsleves and the All-Spark was tapped for its life-giving spark, but just having a stupid cell phone explode into an instant Transformer is just lame to me. You would think they could have been more creative with the back story than just have a cube instantly and magically creating the most complex evolved alien species.

Not that much different than what we walk around believing. Some omnipotent being just made us. Look nothing here *POOF* human civilization? We dont have much of a back story. We also have Big Bang Theory. Pick the one that suits you best.

I think that the Allspark can instill life, yes, but what i gather from What Orci said was that the Allspark will give life, though souless..which is like giving life to a dead body, I.EZ. Vampires, but not a Soul like in Humans..


So on Cybertron, they used the Allspark in conjuntion with Vector sigma and the "Well of Sparks" to add a spark to the robotic body before infusing it with Allspark energy that brings it life, that way you have a "sentient" Bot and not a violent mindless Bot..

skywarp-2 wrote:I think that the Allspark can instill life, yes, but what i gather from What Orci said was that the Allspark will give life, though souless..which is like giving life to a dead body, I.EZ. Vampires, but not a Soul like in Humans..


So on Cybertron, they used the Allspark in conjuntion with Vector sigma and the "Well of Sparks" to add a spark to the robotic body before infusing it with Allspark energy that brings it life, that way you have a "sentient" Bot and not a violent mindless Bot..

hey, weren't you taking a break from this place for a while?
anyhoo, glad to see you back

Because evil transformers play better on screen. Simple as that.

Perhaps the tiny robot was evil because it was a cell phone. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint; all evil corporations.

Lord_Megatron wrote:I am not a big fan of the whole idea in the first place. Why does the All-Spark have to be so magical and create living robots out of this air? I could see it if the Transformers constructed others like themsleves and the All-Spark was tapped for its life-giving spark, but just having a stupid cell phone explode into an instant Transformer is just lame to me. You would think they could have been more creative with the back story than just have a cube instantly and magically creating the most complex evolved alien species.

Yeah sorta like the whole Oracle reformating in Beast Wars or the Matrix magically making transformers bigger.

decepticonjon wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:I think that the Allspark can instill life, yes, but what i gather from What Orci said was that the Allspark will give life, though souless..which is like giving life to a dead body, I.EZ. Vampires, but not a Soul like in Humans..


So on Cybertron, they used the Allspark in conjuntion with Vector sigma and the "Well of Sparks" to add a spark to the robotic body before infusing it with Allspark energy that brings it life, that way you have a "sentient" Bot and not a violent mindless Bot..

hey, weren't you taking a break from this place for a while?
anyhoo, glad to see you back

Its nice to be back, i had some friends here who e-mailed me and made me realize that I can still hang out with you guys on the forums, if only after work and weekends. Plus I just got a cool new Sig I had to show off!! Thanks for the welcome, its nice to see nice people on the forums..

briggs wrote:

Lord_Megatron wrote:I am not a big fan of the whole idea in the first place. Why does the All-Spark have to be so magical and create living robots out of this air? I could see it if the Transformers constructed others like themsleves and the All-Spark was tapped for its life-giving spark, but just having a stupid cell phone explode into an instant Transformer is just lame to me. You would think they could have been more creative with the back story than just have a cube instantly and magically creating the most complex evolved alien species.

Yeah sorta like the whole Oracle reformating in Beast Wars or the Matrix magically making transformers bigger.

Or mass-shifting.

Oh, wait, the movie couldn't have that (except for the Allspark, Frenzy, and to some extent Bumblebee and Jazz) because that would destroy the 'realism'.

I don't like mass-shifting and think it's silly, but the Allspark and the magical matrix and Oracle (which was one of the mystical magical aspects of Beast Machines, not Beast Wars) are no less silly.

WTF is with all the double-standards?

EDIT: I meant the Oracle was from Beast Machines, not Wars.

Repugnus wrote:Rather than bury this away at the bottom of one of the many threads that get started on what seems like an hourly basis asking why the allspark cube created only evil transformers in the new movie, I figured I might as well start a new thread for this.

Back at Botcon, the writers said at one of their panels that the reason the cube made evil TF's was because all of Earth's technology was reverse engineered from Megatron, and thus any TF's created from it would be evil, like Megs. However, in an interview posted over at tfw2005, it looks like Roberto Orci has changed his answer. Here's a quote:

How come the Allspark created TFs were all Decepticons?

Prime intended to use the Allspark to repower Cybertron as it was intended. Megatron wants to abuse it by creating Transformers directly, which makes souless, primal Transformers.

So maybe that's the official answer now. Or maybe there isn't one. Or maybe the sequel(s) will explain it officially. Or maybe it's just a goof up and I'm gonna give up trying to figure it out.

Regardless, maybe this might at least curb the stream of new threads asking this question.

We actually gave both answers at Botcon.

Is that the real Roberto Orci???

If so, great job. If not, then I'll pretend it is so and still say good job to you.

btw...how long did it take to undo the spider-bot virus that frenzy planted? long enough for the cover up at mission city?

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Is that the real Roberto Orci???

If so, great job. If not, then I'll pretend it is so and still say good job to you.

btw...how long did it take to undo the spider-bot virus that frenzy planted? long enough for the cover up at mission city?

He is indeed the real Mr. Orci.

And yes, he and Mr. Kurtzman did one hell of a bang up job on this film.

I raise my glass to you sir, you f*cking rock.

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Is that the real Roberto Orci???

If so, great job. If not, then I'll pretend it is so and still say good job to you.

btw...how long did it take to undo the spider-bot virus that frenzy planted? long enough for the cover up at mission city?

Lol.

Thanks.

Roberto Orci wrote:

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Is that the real Roberto Orci???

If so, great job. If not, then I'll pretend it is so and still say good job to you.

btw...how long did it take to undo the spider-bot virus that frenzy planted? long enough for the cover up at mission city?

Lol.

Thanks.

Mr. orci,

First I would like to say thank you for your superb work on the Transformers Live action movie, it takes alot to convert a once cartoon show into a mainstream live action extravaganza! Kudos to you and your associate!

I enjoyed the movie greatly..

Is this hypothesis what you guys intended or is there another explanation that fits, this was an earlier post and purely an assumption...?

"the Allspark can instill life, yes, but what i gather from What Orci said was that the Allspark will give life, though souless..which is like giving life to a dead body, I.E. Vampires, but not a Soul like in Humans.. that is why the cell phone and drink machines and such are evil from the get go, they are souless, or sparkless..."


"So on Cybertron, they used the Allspark in conjuntion with Vector sigma and the "Well of Sparks" to add a spark to the robotic body before infusing it with Allspark energy that brings it life, that way you have a "sentient" Bot and not a violent mindless Bot.."

Will the Matrix appear in a sequel?

skywarp-2 wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Is that the real Roberto Orci???

If so, great job. If not, then I'll pretend it is so and still say good job to you.

btw...how long did it take to undo the spider-bot virus that frenzy planted? long enough for the cover up at mission city?

Lol.

Thanks.

Mr. orci,

First I would like to say thank you for your superb work on the Transformers Live action movie, it takes alot to convert a once cartoon show into a mainstream live action extravaganza! Kudos to you and your associate!

I enjoyed the movie greatly..

Is this hypothesis what you guys intended or is there another explanation that fits, this was an earlier post and purely an assumption...?

"the Allspark can instill life, yes, but what i gather from What Orci said was that the Allspark will give life, though souless..which is like giving life to a dead body, I.E. Vampires, but not a Soul like in Humans.. that is why the cell phone and drink machines and such are evil from the get go, they are souless, or sparkless..."


"So on Cybertron, they used the Allspark in conjuntion with Vector sigma and the "Well of Sparks" to add a spark to the robotic body before infusing it with Allspark energy that brings it life, that way you have a "sentient" Bot and not a violent mindless Bot.."

Will the Matrix appear in a sequel?

Last I heard, the Matrix can't be used because The Matrix (the movie trilogy) plus the Allspark seemed to fit better than the Matrix.

The full name of it is:

The Autobot Creation Matrix Of Leadership

Let's break that down, shall we?

Creation: Handled by the Allspark. (No need for the Matrix.)

Leadership: The Autobots and everyone else knows who leads and who doesn't. (No need for the Matrix.)

Besides, it would be just another McGuffin, and we've already gotten one of those and it was handled fine. I think having a Matrix-esque device is pointless at this point.

Roberto Orci wrote:We actually gave both answers at Botcon.

Now I'm even more confused!


And btw, thanks for stopping by to chime in!

osiricon wrote:Not that much different than what we walk around believing. Some omnipotent being just made us. Look nothing here *POOF* human civilization? We dont have much of a back story. We also have Big Bang Theory. Pick the one that suits you best.

Except we don't have dieties and big bangs directly forming every subsequent generation.