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I never had a chance to get all of Dream Waves TF due to money, so now I know I can probably look and see if I can get them. However I recall someone here on the site made a reference to a plot point in the series regarding Starscream and Megatron being related. More to a fact that Starscream was Megatrons son.

Now if this was the case, what was going to be the point of this? Has anyone talked about it? If it was just a throw away line, why use it then?

Dreamwave was known for catering to fanwank on too many occasions, but even they would never sink that low.

So what about this line I keep hearing about? It was something along the lines of "Starscream, he's your..." and then it left off.

Night Striker wrote:So what about this line I keep hearing about? It was something along the lines of "Starscream, he's your..." and then it left off.

Never heard of that line before...but I've been wrong before...Any clues as to what issue etc or roughly when this was said...i think someone might have been exagerating here

I have the entire G1 DW run except the first mini series, and I can definately tell you that there is no relation whatsoever between Megatron and Starscream except that of leader and treacherous Leiutenant. no line is ever muttered suggesting that Stascream is Megaron's son.

I could have sworn someone in the Seekers topic mentioned that someone indicated that in DW there was hinting at Megatron and Starscream being father and son. I just wish I could find the dang post.

I was reading the former Ongoing DW Transformers, and I happened across the line your thinking of, or at least a very close approximation of it. Here's the conversation:

Sunstorm: The seal must be opened before it's too late.

Starscream: I don't understand.

Sunstorm: Enough. You are the chosen...The only one with an untainted portion of his being left. Quickly, you must move forward.

Starscream: Who? Whose being?

Sunstorm: Megatron....your.....

And then Jetfire fires on the two, and Sunstorm's cut off.

Duke of Luns wrote:I was reading the former Ongoing DW Transformers, and I happened across the line your thinking of, or at least a very close approximation of it. Here's the conversation:

Sunstorm: The seal must be opened before it's too late.

Starscream: I don't understand.

Sunstorm: Enough. You are the chosen...The only one with an untainted portion of his being left. Quickly, you must move forward.

Starscream: Who? Whose being?

Sunstorm: Megatron....your.....

And then Jetfire fires on the two, and Sunstorm's cut off.

Oh, great. So Dreamwave was going to sink that low.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:I was reading the former Ongoing DW Transformers, and I happened across the line your thinking of, or at least a very close approximation of it. Here's the conversation:

Sunstorm: The seal must be opened before it's too late.

Starscream: I don't understand.

Sunstorm: Enough. You are the chosen...The only one with an untainted portion of his being left. Quickly, you must move forward.

Starscream: Who? Whose being?

Sunstorm: Megatron....your.....

And then Jetfire fires on the two, and Sunstorm's cut off.

Oh, great. So Dreamwave was going to sink that low.

He was going to tell SS that Megatron was the father of his sister's friend's cousin's roomate twice removed...

Lone Star(scream): What does that make us?

Sunstorm helmet" Absolutely nothing.

Wasn't Overlord supposed to be in that pit? It would have been cool to see him.

Oh, and another plot point happened in the next issue, since we're kinda on the subject(the excert was from #5 btw):

Sunstorm mentions that Bumblebee is actually another one of the chosen!

Sunstorm: My purity has been sacrificed in exchange for the dark gifts intended for my brother, thus dooming me. But now that Starscream has cast me from the light, I can see more clearly the radiance deep within you.

Bumblebee: Snappy comeback I don't feel like typing.

Sunstorm: Mock me while you are able, but you will never learn the extent of your ablities. The oracle has favored you while betraying me! For this grievous injustice, you must be punished! Truly, I am sparing you a lifetime of misery. The path of righteous would lonly lead you to torment....As I have learned firsthand.

Then Sunstorm blows his own arm off, due to the reaction of Starscream's null rays and the goo in the planet.

So, we were gonna see Bumblemus Maximus or something like that maybe? As a Bumblebee fan, I gotta say I'm intrigued, and a bit surprised I didn't catch that a long time ago.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:I was reading the former Ongoing DW Transformers, and I happened across the line your thinking of, or at least a very close approximation of it. Here's the conversation:

Sunstorm: The seal must be opened before it's too late.

Starscream: I don't understand.

Sunstorm: Enough. You are the chosen...The only one with an untainted portion of his being left. Quickly, you must move forward.

Starscream: Who? Whose being?

Sunstorm: Megatron....your.....

And then Jetfire fires on the two, and Sunstorm's cut off.

Oh, great. So Dreamwave was going to sink that low.

It would seem so...

It's things like these that makes me so happy that DW went under.

Tramp wrote:I have the entire G1 DW run except the first mini series, and I can definately tell you that there is no relation whatsoever between Megatron and Starscream except that of leader and treacherous Leiutenant. no line is ever muttered suggesting that Stascream is Megaron's son.

Tramp ......I am 100% shocked at this!!!!!!!!Up till now every thing you ever posted about the Dream wave continiuty has been correct.But now you have made a mistake that you cant side step out of.There is in fact a line that was muttered suggesting that Stascream has a relationship with Megatron that is outside that of leader and treacherous Leiutenant it was in issue #5 of the on-going G1 book by DW and you should have it...........what kind or relationship they were hinting at [son,lover,creator] we most likly will never know ........................
And since you always want me to show proff of what I say here it is .a scan from issue #5.....you might want to edit your post on this topic...........................

It's not conclusive of anything. For all we know, Sunstorm could have been saying his Master or "god". As you said, unfortunately we will never know what the rest of Sunstorm's statemnt was.

Tramp wrote:It's not conclusive of anything. For all we know, Sunstorm could have been saying his Master or "god". As you said, unfortunately we will never know what the rest of Sunstorm's statemnt was.

I forgot how good you are at sliping trew the cracks..........but it plain to see that they were hinting at somthing other then Leader and treacherous Leiutenant.And the original poster was looking for any line in the DW books that might have hinted twards this idea and your reply was to state that you had all the DW books [except the minis] and that no such line was ever muttered.

YOU WERE WRONG

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:It's not conclusive of anything. For all we know, Sunstorm could have been saying his Master or "god". As you said, unfortunately we will never know what the rest of Sunstorm's statemnt was.

I forgot how good you are at sliping trew the cracks..........but it plain to see that they were hinting at somthing other then Leader and treacherous Leiutenant.And the original poster was looking for any line in the DW books that might have hinted twards this idea and your reply was to state that you had all the DW books [except the minis] and that no such line was ever muttered.

YOU WERE WRONG

Once again, not necessarily. The line does not suggest the idea that Megatron is his father. Knowing Sunstorm's "god complex" and religious zealotry, it is more likeing the reference was Megatron being their lord and god. In fact the very fact that Sunstorm talks about Starscream containing an "untainted portion of his being" further suggests he is referring to Megatron more as a divine being who bestowed upon Starscream his power, not a father. Children don't contain "untainted portions" of their father's beings. They contain mixed, and thus very "tainted" DNA from their parents. A "chosen one" would contain an untainted portion of their god though.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:It's not conclusive of anything. For all we know, Sunstorm could have been saying his Master or "god". As you said, unfortunately we will never know what the rest of Sunstorm's statemnt was.

I forgot how good you are at sliping trew the cracks..........but it plain to see that they were hinting at somthing other then Leader and treacherous Leiutenant.And the original poster was looking for any line in the DW books that might have hinted twards this idea and your reply was to state that you had all the DW books [except the minis] and that no such line was ever muttered.

YOU WERE WRONG

Once again, not necessarily. The line does not suggest the idea that Megatron is his father. Knowing Sunstorm's "god complex" and religious zealotry, it is more likeing the reference was Megatron being their lord and god. In fact the very fact that Sunstorm talks about Starscream containing an "untainted portion of his being" further suggests he is referring to Megatron more as a divine being who bestowed upon Starscream his power, not a father. Children don't contain "untainted portions" of their father's beings. They contain mixed, and thus very "tainted" DNA from their parents. A "chosen one" would contain an untainted portion of their god though.

you were still wrong.The original poster was looking for any line or statment that could have lead someone to think that they could be father and son......not if it could have led you,Tramp ,to think it but anyone........that line in issue #5 fits that bill.
And while I'll admit that the line in the book is open to interpatation [and I slitely agree with your point of view and thoughts on the topic] you reply to the original poster sugest's that no such line was muttered, that their was no relationship between Megatron and Starscream other then Leader and treacherous Leiutenant and there was in fact such a hint and you were in error.
YOU WERE WRONG THIS TIME AND THERE'S NO WAY OUT OF IT

Tramp wrote: Children don't contain "untainted portions" of their father's beings. They contain mixed, and thus very "tainted" DNA from their parents. A "chosen one" would contain an untainted portion of their god though.

Thats open to debate since we have no real clue to how or if Transformer's reproduce.If they reproduce A sexuly then an direct offspring would in fact have an untainted portion of his fathers being.......Then Sunstorms rant could then aply to a Father Son senario.
You must be tired tonight to make such a week argument.

IF that were the case, Starscream would be a direct copy of his parent. Thus, if he were Megatron's "son" through an asexual process, he would be identical to him in every way.

Tramp wrote:IF that were the case, Starscream would be a direct copy of his parent. Thus, if he were Megatron's "son" through an asexual process, he would be identical to him in every way.

Not in body only in spark.......Transformers can an do chose their bodys apperance in most cases.Im not saying that I subscribe to this theroy but think if Megatron had been his father and didnt want it knowen he would have had Starscreams spark plased in a shell very much unlike his own.And if that is what DW was hinting at it looks like Starscream didnt even know.
Come to think of it.... that might explain Starscream indestuctble spark, since it seem close to imposable to kill Megatron as well.He survived explosions that should have destroyed a planet in G1.And in every other series he always seem to come back from the dead just like Starscream.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:IF that were the case, Starscream would be a direct copy of his parent. Thus, if he were Megatron's "son" through an asexual process, he would be identical to him in every way.

Not in body only in spark.......Transformers can an do chose their bodys apperance in most cases.Im not saying that I subscribe to this theroy but think if Megatron had been his father and didnt want it knowen he would have had Starscreams spark plased in a shell very much unlike his own.And if that is what DW was hinting at it looks like Starscream didnt even know.
Come to think of it.... that might explain Starscream indestuctble spark, since it seem close to imposable to kill Megatron as well.He survived explosions that should have destroyed a planet in G1.And in every other series he always seem to come back from the dead just like Starscream.

IF they were born from anb asexual process, as suggested in G2, their bodies would sprout from their parent, and would be genetically and physically identical. No, there are too many differences between Starscream and Megatron. Their being father and son is impossible, and that line does not denote them having such a relationship. If anything, Sunstorm is describing a divine relationship, not a father-son relationship. This can be backed up because everything Sunstorm spouts is from the prophesies written in the Covenant of Primus,

Tramp wrote: IF they were born from anb asexual process, as suggested in G2, their bodies would sprout from their parent, and would be genetically and physically identical. No, there are too many differences between Starscream and Megatron. Their being father and son is impossible, and that line does not denote them having such a relationship. If anything, Sunstorm is describing a divine relationship, not a father-son relationship.

Not all the new transformers from the G2 Marvel story were physically identical to each other...there were many differences in apperance.And any difference between Meg's and Screamer could have been made over the millions of years that they live.The fact is we dont know if they reproduce at all. And that line in issue #5 does in fact suggest that they had a different kind or relationship other then leader and follower and can [and was] be taken by many as a father and son comment.The fact that you beleave it was some kind of "divine relationship" is your opinion, and your welcome to it [I think something simular] but nomater how you see it......your reply to orignal poster was in error.
And useing the exsample you sited I'm posting up a few pic's from Marvels G2 book showing Primes trip trew history and the birth of Jhiaxus..........he is in no way genetically and physically identical to the one who birth him.And as you can see father and son [so to speek] look nothing alike.

I don't believe it is in error. Those who thought it refered to a "father son" relationship misinterpreted the statement given the entire context in which it was given, and in light of everything else Sunstorm has said. He is a religious zealot who believes he is on some divine mission. Every statement he makes revolves around that mission, based upon the Covenant of Primus.

Tramp wrote:I don't believe it is in error. Those who thought it refered to a "father son" relationship misinterpreted the statement given the entire context in which it was given, and in light of everything else Sunstorm has said. He is a religious zealot who believes he is on some divine mission. Every statement he makes revolves around that mission, based upon the Covenant of Primus.

You cant say that others "misinterpreted the statement" when it was designed by the writters to put those thoughts in the readers heads.That was their intent!!!!!!Its an open ended statement that was not finished.It could be just as eazly said that you misinterpreted the statement.The fact is that we will most likly never know.....but you reply to original poster was still in error because he was looking for any thing that could have led anyone in the dirrection of that school of thought and you said that there wasnt any such line muttered.The fact that you interpreted the statement one way does not make it the right way and you replyed to the questions from a posion of fact that was in error.
P.S. I'm sleepy and my spelling sucks.

The more of this Sunstorm character I see and hear about, the less I like him. Seems like a bunch of conceited nonsense.

IjuinTekka wrote:The more of this Sunstorm character I see and hear about, the less I like him. Seems like a bunch of conceited nonsense.

There really isn't much to like about him. He is a religious zealot, who believes he is a supernatural being, and has fantastic powers to back it up. Here is the link to his techspec bio from the Database: http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=42Dreamwave really played it up tying his madness into the prophesies in the Covenant of Primus.