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Plot point in Dream Wave continuity regarding Megatron and Starscream

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Postby skyshadowprimus » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:07 pm

IF IDW ever decide to finish off the DW storyline they could just pull a BB of 2006 and put it all down to a story being told by Sunstorm, just one of those storylines its doubtfull we will ever see finished like the 3H comics as well.

Personally i thought the pit in the earth was going to connect to the pit in reaching the omega point and shockaract

I'm not too fussed what it was now, any form of closure would be nice, the overlord idea is interesting if not a little difficult to try to imagine how it would play out :-?
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Postby Tigertrack » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:07 pm

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skyshadowprimus wrote:IF IDW ever decide to finish off the DW storyline they could just pull a BB of 2006 and put it all down to a story being told by Sunstorm, just one of those storylines its doubtfull we will ever see finished like the 3H comics as well.

Personally i thought the pit in the earth was going to connect to the pit in reaching the omega point and shockaract

I'm not too fussed what it was now, any form of closure would be nice, the overlord idea is interesting if not a little difficult to try to imagine how it would play out :-?


Yeah, but we are seeing the finish to the Wreckers. Perhaps, things are not as impossible as they seem.
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Postby Duke of Luns » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:05 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:And the dangling plot lines really do hurt, specially if you read #9 and #10. While I admit that Dreamwave isn't as great as I thought it was when it was first out, it really did look like we were finally gonna get some classic plots, as it actually was getting better. Megatron had come back with the Preds, Shockwave was put in his place, Soundwave spoke, Blitzwing was scrapped(but looked like he was gonna come back with Sixshot), and the Dinobots would have come back the next issue. Scourge's role was never actually reavealed(though he probalby was gonna be a herlad). And let's not forget that Scourge was in the custody of government, along with Devastator and Superion, who were all being rebuilt. It might have been Transformer vs. Transformer, but on a whole new level...

So much potential good stuff was on the way....
I didnt know there was anything left of Superion and I had no idea that the government, him and Devastator in their custody.What issue is that showen?


Issue #0 of former ongoing:

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Ok, I'm assuming it's the government, but in issue #7 we see on a screen that Scourge is under repair when the Autobots are going through E.D.C.'s place, and Marrissa reported to Buster Witwicky in issue #10, who was in a military uniform. Which also reminded me of another plot point(I was thumbing through the issue yesterday), on Buster's computer screen there was a picture of a transformable exoskeleton like some of the European Action Masters had. Easter Egg, or undisclosed plot point?
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Postby Tigertrack » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:20 pm

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I thought the shell was the exo-suit from the Animated movie??
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:30 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:And the dangling plot lines really do hurt, specially if you read #9 and #10. While I admit that Dreamwave isn't as great as I thought it was when it was first out, it really did look like we were finally gonna get some classic plots, as it actually was getting better. Megatron had come back with the Preds, Shockwave was put in his place, Soundwave spoke, Blitzwing was scrapped(but looked like he was gonna come back with Sixshot), and the Dinobots would have come back the next issue. Scourge's role was never actually reavealed(though he probalby was gonna be a herlad). And let's not forget that Scourge was in the custody of government, along with Devastator and Superion, who were all being rebuilt. It might have been Transformer vs. Transformer, but on a whole new level...

So much potential good stuff was on the way....
I didnt know there was anything left of Superion and I had no idea that the government, him and Devastator in their custody.What issue is that showen?


Issue #0 of former ongoing:

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Ok, I'm assuming it's the government, but in issue #7 we see on a screen that Scourge is under repair when the Autobots are going through E.D.C.'s place, and Marrissa reported to Buster Witwicky in issue #10, who was in a military uniform. Which also reminded me of another plot point(I was thumbing through the issue yesterday), on Buster's computer screen there was a picture of a transformable exoskeleton like some of the European Action Masters had. Easter Egg, or undisclosed plot point?


ok I forgot about that but you also said they had Superion ....what issue is that in????
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:31 pm

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tigertracks 24 wrote:I thought the shell was the exo-suit from the Animated movie??


Thats what I thought too.
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Postby Duke of Luns » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:46 pm

That's Superion's head in the bottom panel. You can see the gold horn on the side of the head, and Devastor's head is laying in a different position in the panel above it.

And after looking at it again, I think it's a cross between the G1 Exosuit and the Action-Master Exosuit:

http://www.tfu.info/1991/Autobot/Circuit/circuit.htm

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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:05 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:That's Superion's head in the bottom panel. You can see the gold horn on the side of the head, and Devastor's head is laying in a different position in the panel above it.

And after looking at it again, I think it's a cross between the G1 Exosuit and the Action-Master Exosuit:

http://www.tfu.info/1991/Autobot/Circuit/circuit.htm

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Dosnt look like Superion's head to me....more like Silverbolt's but you would still be right ether way.As for the exo-suit I never saw the Action Master exo-suits s
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Postby Tigertrack » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:20 am

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The exo-suit is pretty generic looking, without more detail, who knows?

The head at the bottom shares similarities with Superion--red visor-, but I thought he had a mouth shield? Silverbolt to my knowledge did not have a red visor, but blue eyes.

I'm sure it's mean to be one of them.
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Postby Leonardo » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:20 am

What's going on in the first two panels of that page? Both robots look like Scourge but they've got different head designs.
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Postby Duke of Luns » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:03 pm

Leonardo wrote:What's going on in the first two panels of that page? Both robots look like Scourge but they've got different head designs.


Another point I don't think they ever concluded(but I never read War Within Dark Ages), Scourge(or the Sweeps, basicly they are about the same) were some kind of herald for Unicron, and there were at least two of them, one that rescured Shockwave on Cybertron, and one that attacked Jetfire when he was on his way to Earth. But I think it's just one Scourge, seen from different angles, but there do appear to be some inconsistencies with the head design now that I look at it. At any rate, they're examining/reparing Scourge, and probably removed his helmet, so that's why the face looks different.

And Superion was drawn closer to his toy counterpart than his animation model in the first Dreamwave mini-series, except he had red eyes.

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And the gold horn on the side of the head, which can barely be seen(even in the issue, but sorry for the kinda lousy scan around the edges, I didn't want to bend the comic) is another dead givaway that it is indeed Superion.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:19 pm

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tigertracks 24 wrote:The exo-suit is pretty generic looking, without more detail, who knows?

The head at the bottom shares similarities with Superion--red visor-, but I thought he had a mouth shield? Silverbolt to my knowledge did not have a red visor, but blue eyes.

I'm sure it's mean to be one of them.


Your thinkinmg of Toon and Marvel G1.....Dreamwave
went with the look of the toy with all the Aerilbots
had yellow eyes and Superion had a yellow visor and no
mouth shield.

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Postby Tigertrack » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:38 pm

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Indeed, I haven't read any of my DW comics in awhile.

Thanks. :D
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Postby Duke of Luns » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:09 pm

That is one awsome pic of Fireflight. 8)
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:28 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:That is one awsome pic of Fireflight. 8)


Thank you :grin:
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Postby Leonardo » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:36 am

Ah, I understand. I wondered why he had that ray gun thing on top of his head in one panel and not the other. There we go. There we all go.
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Postby AxiomScion » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:51 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be :-?
As would I... As would I The Gigatron thing could have set them up for a tri-tron thriple threat match.

:P beats a shoalin showdown any day of the week...

and is that a pic of the Kailis clone in your avatar sto_vo_kor?
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:20 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be :-?
As would I... As would I The Gigatron thing could have set them up for a tri-tron thriple threat match.

:P beats a shoalin showdown any day of the week...

and is that a pic of the Kailis clone in your avatar sto_vo_kor?


Yes it is......why?You must be a fan?
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Postby OptimusN1701 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:29 pm

As you can see, DW's artists allowed several inconsistencies in the animation

Blues eyes and mouth from #3
http://waubonsee.facebook.com/photo.php ... =220400627

Red eyes and mouth from #6
http://waubonsee.facebook.com/photo.php ... =220400627

P.S. I apparently can't load images to save my ass, help would be appreciated :-(
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:27 pm

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OptimusN1701 wrote:As you can see, DW's artists allowed several inconsistencies in the animation

Blues eyes and mouth from #3
http://waubonsee.facebook.com/photo.php ... =220400627

Red eyes and mouth from #6
http://waubonsee.facebook.com/photo.php ... =220400627

P.S. I apparently can't load images to save my ass, help would be appreciated :-(


Dude I couldnt see your photos........you need to get a account with photobucket
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Postby AxiomScion » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:05 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
AxiomScion wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be :-?
As would I... As would I The Gigatron thing could have set them up for a tri-tron thriple threat match.

:P beats a shoalin showdown any day of the week...

and is that a pic of the Kailis clone in your avatar sto_vo_kor?


Yes it is......why?You must be a fan?
I literally lived watching NextGen on a daily basis. It was a family event :-P
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:29 pm

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AxiomScion wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
AxiomScion wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be :-?
As would I... As would I The Gigatron thing could have set them up for a tri-tron thriple threat match.

:P beats a shoalin showdown any day of the week...

and is that a pic of the Kailis clone in your avatar sto_vo_kor?


Yes it is......why?You must be a fan?
I literally lived watching NextGen on a daily basis. It was a family event :-P


Kool as you can tell I'm a major Trekie.
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Postby OptimusN1701 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:38 pm

Ok, let's try this

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... 1190695337

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... 1190695364

As you can see, Superion has blue eyes in the first photo, red in the second and a mouth in both. The head as shown in the second picture is the on in the EDC complex

thanx for the advice Sto_
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:47 pm

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OptimusN1701 wrote:Ok, let's try this

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... 1190695337

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... 1190695364

As you can see, Superion has blue eyes in the first photo, red in the second and a mouth in both. The head as shown in the second picture is the on in the EDC complex

thanx for the advice Sto_


your welcome.........you can also try posting the image by taking the image code at the right of the pic ,copy it then past it in your post.
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Postby Ramrider » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:52 pm

tigertracks 24 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be :-?


I did not think they were allowed to use the japanese bots yet, that it could have been in the future plans though, so I suppose it could have been him there.

Well, there were plans to include Magmatron in the then upcoming Beast Wars stuff, as I recall, and now IDW have used him and Lio Convoy, among others. I'm also pretty sure I saw Overlord in Megatron: Origin (can't remember which issue, but he's in the foreground next to Slugslinger in a crowd scene)...
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