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I just saw the new trailer for the movie which actully got me excited about this movie for the first time ever. There is one thing I noticed that looks majorly wrong.

The trailer starts out with Sam talking to Bumblebee about going to collage and it seems from that clip that Bumblebee still can't talk as he was back to useing the radio to exspess himself. His voice box was fixed at the end of the first movie, anyone remember this.

Bumblebee: Premittion to speak, sir.

Optimus Prime: Premittion granted.

Bumblebee: I wish to stay with the boy.

Can we just get one Transformers continuity that doesn't have any plot holes in it, please! Every Trasformers continuity error is like getting kicked in the head with a pair of spiked steel toed boots.

Transformers RotF Prequel Comic Alliance.

Issue #2 - Starscream (after wiping the floor with Wreckage) turns his attention to the humans, Bumblebee dives in to cover them and cops another blast to his vocal processor.

No continuity error at all. Though it will seem strange to the casual viewer who don't read the comics, of course they may even touch on events in the comics, we won't know until the movie's released!

Burn wrote:Transformers RotF Prequel Comic Alliance.

Issue #2 - Starscream (after wiping the floor with Wreckage) turns his attention to the humans, Bumblebee dives in to cover them and cops another blast to his vocal processor.

No continuity error at all. Though it will seem strange to the casual viewer who don't read the comics, of course they may even touch on events in the comics, we won't know until the movie's released!

Um yeah that's about as helpfull as exsplaining why Nightcrawler wasn't in X-Men 3 by righting him off in a video game.

How many people do they think will actully read the comics? And the movies are supose to be aimed at people who wouldn't normally be reading comics anyway.

I read the movie prequill comic that came with the movie ticket for the first film but that didn't even really seem to follow the movie story line but rather just exsplained some of the same plot from a different perspective.

Anyway, unless they intend to give the comics away with the movie tickets again and depending on weather or not people actully read them people are going to see the whole thing as a mistake. Even some people who do read the comics might not accept the comics and movie as the same continuity. It's like trying to make War Within fit the G1 Cartoon series when the Dinobots weren't built till they came to Earth so the Dynobots can't really exsist on Cybertron.

Anyway... the comics actully seem to fit better with the video game version of the movie rather than the movie itself sence there are a few minor things in comic and game that match eachother but not what actully happens in the movie. Like according to a cut scene in the game Sam allready knew where they going to go to get his car the night before and that's how Bumblebee knew to find him there, (he was spying outside Sam's house) it looked that way in the comic as well but in the movie Bumblebee simply followed them there and Sam seemed to know he was getting a car but had no idea where they going to buy it.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Burn wrote:Transformers RotF Prequel Comic Alliance.

Issue #2 - Starscream (after wiping the floor with Wreckage) turns his attention to the humans, Bumblebee dives in to cover them and cops another blast to his vocal processor.

No continuity error at all. Though it will seem strange to the casual viewer who don't read the comics, of course they may even touch on events in the comics, we won't know until the movie's released!

Um yeah that's about as helpfull as exsplaining why Nightcrawler wasn't in X-Men 3 by righting him off in a video game.

How many people do they think will actully read the comics? And the movies are supose to be aimed at people who wouldn't normally be reading comics anyway.

I read the movie prequill comic that came with the movie ticket for the first film but that didn't even really seem to follow the movie story line but rather just exsplained some of the same plot from a different perspective.

Anyway, unless they intend to give the comics away with the movie tickets again and depending on weather or not people actully read them people are going to see the whole thing as a mistake. Even some people who do read the comics might not accept the comics and movie as the same continuity. It's like trying to make War Within fit the G1 Cartoon series when the Dinobots weren't built till they came to Earth so the Dynobots can't really exsist on Cybertron.

Anyway... the comics actully seem to fit better with the video game version of the movie rather than the movie itself sence there are a few minor things in comic and game that match eachother but not what actully happens in the movie. Like according to a cut scene in the game Sam allready knew where they going to go to get his car the night before and that's how Bumblebee knew to find him there, (he was spying outside Sam's house) it looked that way in the comic as well but in the movie Bumblebee simply followed them there and Sam seemed to know he was getting a car but had no idea where they going to buy it.

Given you noticed that you should have noticed when Mikaela asked Sam about it to which he told her "He's playing it off". And the comics have direct relevance to the movies as they are official movie prequels.

Rial Vestro wrote:
Bumblebee: Premittion to speak, sir.

Optimus Prime: Premittion granted.

Bumblebee: I wish to stay with the boy.

I always thought he was on the radio even then...

As for plotholes, and "official" prequel comics, it there's inconsisteny from movie to movie, it's a plothole, regardless if it's "fixed" in a comic or not.

Well if you remember in the footage Bay released a week er two ago, Bumblebee did actually say a word himself in it. When he asked Sam what his purpose was, he himself actually said "Sam" at the end. And from the sounds of it, it sounded like he was straining to say just that...I'm sure he'll say some words in this next one so as long as we get that I'm ok with it. Because they never actually said that his vocal processors were fixed if I remember correctly.

They will probably explain it at the beginning of the movie. But I agree - I hope they don't leave it for us to figure out just because it was in the comics. I don't think they'll do that though.

We can't say "There is a continuity error" yet because we are only judging from the trailer. We don't know what will be explained in the movie.

Deadpool's Lame Joke wrote:they never actually said that his vocal processors were fixed

Exactly.

HeatherTFCanadaFan wrote:They will probably explain it at the beginning of the movie.

Which is why I wish people would wait for the movie to be released instead of jumping up and down about things that may or may not happen.

I remember before the last one, there were so many negative people out there writing the movie off, but once it was released they either shut up (too ashamed to admit they were wrong) or jumped up and down with glee.

Same case here, it's in the comic, if you didn't read it it wouldn't make sense, so i'm HOPING they'll give it a brief explanation.

I suspect however it'll be a line "We fixed it but he's still re-learning to talk" rather than a flash back or a "He was damaged again in battle" line.

You realize the topic title says POSSIBLE continuity error right?

There's no doubt that his vocal cords were fixed at the end of the first movie however we don't know to what exstent they were fixed. It's possible he may still be in recovery from the first accident and while he can speak in short sentences like he did at the end of the first movie he may not be able to speak for long periods of time to carrey out an entire conversation.

In other words he might speak here and there when he absolutly has to but if he can avoid stressing his vocals more till they're completly repaired he'll use the radio to exspess himself.

And even if the comic is supose to be in the same continuity as the movie there's still a few minor plot hole. By minor I mean the main one being that Sam seemed to know the night before what car lot they were going to but in the movie it seemed like a total suprise that they were going there. Pluse I still say the majority of the comic was alot of the same stuff shown in the movie itself but from the Transformers perspective rather than the humans. Actully the movie would of been alot better if the comic version was in the actual movie. Who cares about the humans.

Anyway, yeah, I'll read the comic if it comes with my movie ticket but other than that I'm not going to bother with it. If they can't be bothered to sell the comic with the movie to fill me in on the continuity then why should I be bothered to accept it as the same continuity.

They may of sold a comic with the first movie but that doesn't mean they'll do it again. They didn't even sell that first comic with the DVDs so there again, must not be that important to the plot of the movie if they're not going to include it.

I'm kinda undecided on the prequill comics at the moment in case you can't tell. Because as someone who doesn't useually buy them I'd be willing to read them and accept them as part of the movie continuity IF they actully sell them with the movie tickets AND the DVDs. If they just sell them with the movie tickets it's possible the movie theater is doing it as a promotional gimic and has nothing to do with the actual film. Only DVDs or only specially marked DVDs, same thing. When the comic is made exsclusive it just doesn't seem like it really has anything to do with the movie itself because they didn't really make any effort to inform the regular movie watcher of the plot. Now if the comic comes with every ticket to the movie and in all DVD sales then it's basically like saying hey you're about to get a major head ach watching this movie if you don't read this. What ever few people still don't read the comic at that point is their own fault.

It's basically about makeing the comic avalible to the casual movie goers not just to die hard comic book readers.

whether people read a comic or not, it looks like the little, yellow robot is able to speak. i don't really care if he talks or not as long as he plays a good part in the movie. it may or may not be explained in the movie, so we will just have to wait and see. also, i am sure other people have brought it up, but if continuity is a big deal at all, then why didn't BB get his voice back after miniaturizing the All Spark-he did this just moments after Frenzy was completely revitalized by the cube.

Simple solution: Ratchet never fixed Bumblebee's vocals. Either he didn't have the time, the skill, or the parts.

I wonder if voice actors are paid by the line?

Getting damaged in the vocal chords yet a second time doesn't seem to be that likely. Possible but not likely. The line BB spoke at the end of the first movie was done under duress, pain. His vocals were not fixed yet.

Rial Vestro wrote:You realize the topic title says POSSIBLE continuity error right?

There's no doubt that his vocal cords were fixed at the end of the first movie however we don't know to what exstent they were fixed. It's possible he may still be in recovery from the first accident and while he can speak in short sentences like he did at the end of the first movie he may not be able to speak for long periods of time to carrey out an entire conversation.

Well, there IS doubt, otherwise we wouldn't even have this thread. But I do agree with your explanation, he may have had it fixed enough so he can say a few words at a time. It would explain that he MIGHT have talked at the end of the movie. I still think it wasn't his voice. The sentence "I wish to remain with the boy." I thought came from Star Wars Episode I: Phantom menace, and I think Obi Wan says it at the end. Not sure, because I haven't seen that flick in a while (because it was LAME) but when I heard that it immediately reminded me of the end of SWI:TPM

Rial Vestro wrote:If they can't be bothered to sell the comic with the movie to fill me in on the continuity then why should I be bothered to accept it as the same continuity.

What's stopping you from walking into a comic shop and picking it up?
Or even finding a place online to download it.

Just because YOU don't read it doesn't make it not a part of the continuity.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, there IS doubt, otherwise we wouldn't even have this thread.

There's a couple problems with that statement, the main one being you're trying to argue that this thread is here because there's doubt that Bumblebee can speak to the guy who posted the topic in the first place.

The doubt isn't twords the first movie, we've allready seen the first movie. How can you doubt what you know for sure allready happened? The doubt is twards the second movie sence we only have the preview to go by. We don't know for sure why he was useing the radio in that particular scene and we don't know if he'll be doing that throughout the whole movie.

All of the stuff that he took off the radio suposidly was pre-recorded music and dialog that pre-dates the movie itself. The lines he spoke at the end of the movie was not, that was in fact Bumblebee's voice and I'm preddy sure Mark Ryan would be pissed if you tried to argue to him that he didn't voice Bumblebee in the movie but rather was just doing some radio voice. The man may of only had 2 lines but he is credited for them as Bumblebee so Bumblebee did in fact speak.

Allso even Roberto Orchi has said that the laser Ratchet shot Bumblebee with when he first got to earth was slowly repairing Bee's vocal cords so it is verry possible that process is still going on and he's not completly healed yet.

All I'm saying is either there's a continuity error in the movie or maybe he's not able to talk verry long if he does talk at all in the sequill.

P.S. To answer Burns question... AGAIN... I say again because I've said this before in past topics. THERE ARE NO COMIC BOOK STORES IN MY AREA! I use to have one here when I was still in high school (5 years ago) but that place went out of buisness.

Rial Vestro wrote:P.S. To answer Burns question... AGAIN... I say again because I've said this before in past topics. THERE ARE NO COMIC BOOK STORES IN MY AREA! I use to have one here when I was still in high school (5 years ago) but that place went out of buisness.

Yeah, okay, stow the attitude there. You honestly cannot expect people to remember everyone's circumstances, because if that was the case then YOU would know that I HAVE NO COMIC BOOK STORES IN MY AREA either. Yet I still find a way to read them.

My point however remains, just because you can't read it doesn't mean it's not continuity, which is what you've said.

If they can't be bothered to sell the comic with the movie to fill me in on the continuity then why should I be bothered to accept it as the same continuity.

Oh and btw, I suggest you read this and take the appropriate action if you haven't done so already.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, there IS doubt, otherwise we wouldn't even have this thread.

There's a couple problems with that statement, the main one being you're trying to argue that this thread is here because there's doubt that Bumblebee can speak to the guy who posted the topic in the first place.

OK, don't have a stroke.

First, the part I quoted doesn't make a lot of sense.

Second, if it was clear that Bumblebee could speak (if the voice actor is credited, then of course I accept it as true, but I didn't know it until you pointed it out. Therefore the doubt.) then why would this thread be here in the first place? Perhaps because others had DOUBT as well?

IMDB credits him at least.

OK, then. That's pretty much case closed, right? Until we actually find out in the new flick.

Rodimus Prime wrote:then why would this thread be here in the first place? Perhaps because others had DOUBT as well?

Why would other's doubt effect my reason for posting this? You're asking why the thread is here and baseing it's reasons on what others belive. I don't get it, others didn't start this topic I did. The thread is here because I thought it was weird that Bumblebee was useing the radio in the trailer rather than talking not because others think he can't talk at all.

Again, why are you trying to argue with me about why this topic is here, I'm the one who started the topic. I know why the topic is here, it's to discuss why he doesn't seem to be talking in the sequill not weather or not he spoke in the first movie. If someone wants to belive Bumblebee never spoke that's there problem but it has nothing to do with why I started this topic.

BTW Burn, I took a look at that link. I've allready informed the admin about my issue when I started this tempory account. I haven't recived any reply about it sence then so I have no idea if it's been fixed or not.

Allso the point is more to do with the fact that not everyone has access to comic books and even if they do not everyong is going to go out of their way to read a comic book. It's been said in this topic before me and I'm just agreeing with it, the casual movie goer isn't going to read the prequill comics. Only the die hard fans of comics and/or Transformers are going to read them. And for the people who don't have comic book stores and/or have no interest in comics chances are they're not even aware the prequill comics even exsist. I wouldn't of even known about it except for seeing it mentioned on Transformers wiki but again I check wiki as a Transformers fan which the movies are not solely directed at Transformers fans.

Simply put weather or not the comics are part of the movie continuity isn't an issue. The issue is how much of the audience is actully going to read the comics and to the ones that don't any inconsistancy from the first movie to the sequill is going to come off as a continuity error. Makeing a comic book to fill in the gap is a verry poor choice. I'd estimate that about 1 out of every 10 people who see the movie will read the comic. The odds would change to 1 out of every 10 people who see the movie WON'T read the comic if the comic is sold with the movie tickets and DVDs.

By "Admin" I hope you mean Mkall because he's the one keeping track of this particular problem. (Hence why he created the news thread so that people could alert HIM and keep all the names of those affected together and not have to ask various other staff members if they've heard of any other problems)

Now everybody ease up on the attitude or this gets locked.

Prime Riblet wrote:whether people read a comic or not, it looks like the little, yellow robot is able to speak. i don't really care if he talks or not as long as he plays a good part in the movie. it may or may not be explained in the movie, so we will just have to wait and see. also, i am sure other people have brought it up, but if continuity is a big deal at all, then why didn't BB get his voice back after miniaturizing the All Spark-he did this just moments after Frenzy was completely revitalized by the cube.

I asked that same question the second Bee touched the cube in the movie theater. I said, "Oh, he should be able to talk now." And he never did until the very end of the movie. Which they didn't even explain that either besides Sam saying, "You can talk now?"
How hard would it have been for him to say, the last explosion must have knocked a loose circuit or something? He just started talking after he physically couldn't when Sam was trying to stay with him after he was blown up.
So wether or not it gets explained in the new movie remains to be seen. I think it's more of a comedic tool for him to talk through songs on the radio, so Bay's probably going to leave it in.
For guys like me who detest continuity errors, I'll just sit back, eat my popcorn, and hope all the cool effects make up for it.

Burn wrote:By "Admin" I hope you mean Mkall because he's the one keeping track of this particular problem. (Hence why he created the news thread so that people could alert HIM and keep all the names of those affected together and not have to ask various other staff members if they've heard of any other problems)

Now everybody ease up on the attitude or this gets locked.

By Admin I mean Seibertron.

Wasn't there some info leaked earlier that said BB's vocal processors weren't fully functional and he still spoke with the radio? I like that explanation better than his vocal processors getting damaged a second time, that's some seriously bad luck.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Wasn't there some info leaked earlier that said BB's vocal processors weren't fully functional and he still spoke with the radio? I like that explanation better than his vocal processors getting damaged a second time, that's some seriously bad luck.

Agreed and what are the chances of him actully takeing that same damage again? Seems like a stupid and lazy way to exsplain his voice away, "oh he was attacked again and recived the same damage he did from the last battle so now he can't talk again."

"He's not fully healed from the last time and can only talk a little bit." makes alot more sence and actully seems like they put more thought into it but we'll wait till the movie actully comes out to find out.