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amtm wrote:Autobot032 wrote:They didn't mess up. I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to wrap their heads around the idea that the alt modes were shared.
It's not the greatest explanation, I admit, but it's reasonable. It could've been worse. People tend to overthink this stuff and it's just flat out ridiculous.
There's no need to rationalize the discrepancy and call people's reactions to it ridiculous. No explanation for this "sharing of alt modes" was offered within the movie. That's flat-out sloppy moviemaking, and it's the fault of the director, writers, and editors for not making it make sense by itself, not the fault of the audience for not understanding it.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I appreciate the fight scenes and Megatron's return only. At first, when I saw the midnight showing, I was psyched out, and thought it was better than the first because of the action and the visuals. Then, after having time to think about the story, it dawned on me what a letdown it was.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Blackout, Bonecrusher, and their lookalikes in the 2nd movie are minor characters. They're basically Megatron's henchmen, how many movies do henchmen get names? The average moviegoer isn't going to care about the names of every robot on screen, especially if all they do is get scrapped. They're not important enough to get worked up over.
Noideaforaname wrote:If two bots scanned the same/similar vehicle, why are their robot modes identical too, especially with how distinct a lot of TFs are in these movies?
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:If two bots scanned the same/similar vehicle, why are their robot modes identical too, especially with how distinct a lot of TFs are in these movies?
That's why I don't like that explanation. Skids and Mudflap have similar alt modes, but their robot modes are significantly different from each other. Plus they have distinct faces. Sideways and Barricade are also very similar, but there are distinct differences as well. I'm sticking with the theory that the Blackout and Bonecrusher in RotF are the same characters in the first movie.
JetOptimus23 wrote:5.IT GO BOOM!
I rest my case.
JetOptimus23 wrote:WHY IS EVERYONE SKIPPING SCENES!!?! IT'S A GREAT MOVIE! It improved much more!!!
1. more robot to robot diolouge.
2. more story
3.more transformers
4.Megatron & Starscream's relationship is more G1.
5.IT GO BOOM!
I rest my case.
zenosaurus_x wrote:I disagree with the bold, kinda, I like the movie, but I like the first one ALOT more.
Autobot032 wrote:zenosaurus_x wrote:I disagree with the bold, kinda, I like the movie, but I like the first one ALOT more.
That's fine, you're entitled to that, but I must make a point here.
People say the first film is more realistic, and the second went wacky. Well, I don't see how that's really possible.
I don't care how gritty or serious you make the story, but giant transforming alien robots coming to Earth is the perfect example of "it's not real!".
zenosaurus_x wrote:Autobot032 wrote:zenosaurus_x wrote:I disagree with the bold, kinda, I like the movie, but I like the first one ALOT more.
That's fine, you're entitled to that, but I must make a point here.
People say the first film is more realistic, and the second went wacky. Well, I don't see how that's really possible.
I don't care how gritty or serious you make the story, but giant transforming alien robots coming to Earth is the perfect example of "it's not real!".
It has nothing to do with realistic...ness....I just...like the first one better...
I don't know, I guess the fact that it's in a city with tons of people around made it seem more public and serious(which it...wasn't) while when ROTF tried to do that, it happened in an empty desert...
Also, the parts I disliked in ROTF were parts that I particularly disliked alot...
And why didn't Ironhide whoop some ass on Demolisher in Shanghai? Optimus had to be airdropped AND transform twice and got to him fast than 'Hide did.
zenosaurus_x wrote:The ending makes no sense at all, true...why would they "hide it in the city," the Decepticons found it when it was in the wall, a city would hide it even less!
I like the ending more from a...completely-ignoring-all-logic standpoint...
ROTF's ending made alot more sense, it just kinda didn't look as good on screen I suppose...
Lastjustice wrote:And why didn't Ironhide whoop some ass on Demolisher in Shanghai? Optimus had to be airdropped AND transform twice and got to him fast than 'Hide did.
This is false. Ironhide actually is the bot who disables demolisher. The movie doesn't make it very clear, but Ironhide was chasing as it shows him closing in, but doesnt show him actually close the gap. It shows prime shoot Demolisher in the head, then Ironhide blew out his wheel which was what caused him to crash. It happens very fast, but rewatching the movie and clips on youtube I noticed it wasn't Prime as he jumps off the wreckage right before he slides under the overpass.zenosaurus_x wrote:The ending makes no sense at all, true...why would they "hide it in the city," the Decepticons found it when it was in the wall, a city would hide it even less!
I like the ending more from a...completely-ignoring-all-logic standpoint...
ROTF's ending made alot more sense, it just kinda didn't look as good on screen I suppose...
I strongly disagree with people who say taking the Cube into the city was a bad move. You have to remember the circumstances they were facing. Global communications were fired. They had go to a land mark since they weren't able to radio back to the Simmons and the others where they needed to send the air force.
They had to pick a spot where they could stall. Yes that would likely put people in harms way, but if Megatron achieved ultimate victory(which the All spark would have lead them to the Star harvester eventually, killing all life on earth.), they were all dead anyways. They couldn't stay at the dam with Megatron already inside it, as they needed time to rally defenses. Which the only autobot the army had when they made the decision to fight there was bumble bee.
What better choice did they have? They needed time and cover to survive long enough for the air force to save them.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
zenosaurus_x wrote:Come to think of it, I don't think they even told the Autobots, they onyl told them where to go, then the Decepticons tried to cut them off...
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Using the citizens, including women and children, as cover is a terrible idea and Optimus wouldn't do it. Neither would a real soldier.
Putting innocent civilians in harms way, knowingly, just isn't something soldiers or the Autobots would do.
They know several of the Decepticons can fly, and a city street is basically a canyon. That's like shooting fish in a barrel. Plus the civilian casualties is something the Autobots and the military would try to avoid.
. Bumblebee and the soldiers there could have finished off Megatron before he thawed out. Then Bumblebee could have contacted the other Autobots, who were already on the way, for backup. Holding down a fort is a lot easier than playing keep away when the enemy has a serious tactical advantage over you
Evil_the_Nub wrote:zenosaurus_x wrote:Come to think of it, I don't think they even told the Autobots, they onyl told them where to go, then the Decepticons tried to cut them off...
Bumblebee was the one who had the Allspark, so I think he knew what the plan was.
Lastjustice wrote:Using the citizens, including women and children, as cover is a terrible idea and Optimus wouldn't do it. Neither would a real soldier.
Who here actually knows anything about the armed forces here? (raises hand as an actual member of the air force.) Sorry you're wrong, allowing civies to die for the greater good is something the armed forces have done thru out history. (during world war two, they broke the german's code but refused to evac cities ahead of time to prevent the germans from realizing their codes had been compromised.) Officers routinely decide who lives and dies. They do what they have to achieve their mission. This chivary code people have for comics and super heroes doesnt apply to real warfare. War is hell and people do whatever it takes to win.
It's sure an easy way to win if you re an alien race and you dont give a crap about the life on the planet you re invading.
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