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My one-per-mold rule got seriously strained and ultimately broken by the reveal that CW Air Raid was a retool of Skydive and First Aid and Streetwise were likewise very heavy retools of Stunticons, featuring more new parts than old ones. They're so different the shared parts are neglectible. This means retools I previously ignored have suddenly more interest to me. I've been browsing around for similar cases and have come up with the following list. Do you know more molds that are at least 50% altered, in either or both modes?

- BW Wolfang & K9/Max-B (pretty much everything, save for some inner workings?)
- Cybertron Crumplezone & Dark Crumplezone (only his upper arms, upper legs and joints remain?)
- FOC Frenzy and Eject (all but the shoulders, feet and thighs)
- FOC Laserbeak and Ratbat (all but the spine and upper 'arms')
- T30 Springer and Sandstorm (all but the lower arms, waist-to-knees and feet)
- Various Beast Hunter retools (gonna replace my Prime cast with these + legions etc for the 'normal' look of the cast)

Honorable mention: FOC Jazz & Sideswipe, though only the alt-mode looks sufficiently different.
A similar case are CW Optimus Prime, Silverbolt and Thundercracker. The bot modes only feature changes in the upper body, most of which due to the alt-mode changes.

The "one-per-mold" rule can be hard to maintain I admit, but a little flex wouldn't hurt. To help you a bit, here's the list of retools that involve more than the head, starting with the latest line:

Combiner Wars (pretools are paired with "&")
Skydive & Air Raid
Dead End & Streetwise
Offroad & First Aid
Optimus Prime & Motormaster
Silverbolt & Cyclonus

Thrilling 30's
Armada Starscream & Jhiaxus
Trailcutter & Hoist
Springer & Sandstorm
Jetfire -> CW Thundercracker

Prime
All Beast Hunters retools. 'Nuff said.

Fall of Cybertron
Shockwave & Air Raid
Jazz & Sideswipe
Soundwave & Blaster
Rumble/Frenzy & Eject/Rewind
Laserbeak/Buzzsaw & Ratbat (look at the wings and tail)

Classics, Universe, Generations
Thunderwing & Sky Shadow (chest plate is different too)
Drift & Blurr
Turbo Tracks & Wheeljack
Inferno -> 2010 Solar Storm Grappel
Starscream -> Coneheads

Unicron Trilogy
A-Blurr -> C-Blurr
A-Cyclonus -> C-Buzzsaw
A-Hoist -> C-Longrack
A-Side Swipe -> C-Runamuck
C-Crumplezone -> C-Dark Crumplezone

Beast Wars
Wolfang -> K-9 -> BWII Max B
Waspinator -> BWII Dirgegun
Dinobot -> BWII Thrustol
Cybershark -> BWII Hellscream
Dinobot -> BWNeo Hardhead
Cybershark -> BWNeo Sharp Edge

a couple missed ones

FOC Ravage - Steeljaw
PRID Arcee - Gen Chromia

grimdragon2001 wrote:a couple missed ones

FOC Ravage - Steeljaw
PRID Arcee - Gen Chromia

I thought Steeljaw only changed the head... And I can't believe I forgot Chromia, and Steve:

Prime
Vehicon -> Jet Vehicon
Weaponizer Optimus Prime -> Platinum Edition Ultra Magnus
Weaponizer Bumblebee -> Talking Bumblebee

Throttlebots etc.

I think Animated Samurai Prowl was also heavily retooled to fit his armor.

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

Aren't all the 3rd year minibots retools of first year minibots (cept Wheelie)?

RiddlerJ wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

Aren't all the 3rd year minibots retools of first year minibots (cept Wheelie)?

They are, hence me mentioning Hubcap.

I know you lumped all of Beast Hunters together. But some are far more significant than others. Most especially Cyberverse Ultra Magnus being a retool of Cyberverse Optimus Prime and Voyager Ultra Magnus being a retool of Voyager (powerizer) Optimus Prime.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

And you weren't even my main suspect for reawakening my OCD/semantics infinity loop!

It's always the damn rabbit...

Mr O wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

And you weren't even my main suspect for reawakening my OCD/semantics infinity loop!

It's always the damn rabbit...

I'll give you credit for not pulling the G2 Smokescreen vs. E-Starscream card

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mr O wrote:Throttlebots etc.

Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Bumper, Runabout and Runamuck and the Throttlebots are not retools: they merely share basic engineering. Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper though

And you weren't even my main suspect for reawakening my OCD/semantics infinity loop!

It's always the damn rabbit...

I'll give you credit for not pulling the G2 Smokescreen vs. E-Starscream card

Jesus, I may like upsetting people but I'm not a maniac!