Shadowman, did you just ignore everything I wrote in
this post?
Shadowman wrote:Uh...the Ark was kind of their base for the first two seasons. It's not really fanwank if it shows up in every episode. "Oh but they never specifically named the Ark in the cartoon!" And they never specifically named Sparks in the comics, so I guess it can't be canon with that, either.
The very concept of the Spark did not exist at the time the cartoon was written and would not be conceived until Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio came along to think it up for the Beast Wars cartoon about a decade later.
Shadowman wrote:There was never any mention of the Matrix of Leadership or Unicron before the movie, either, so are the first two season non-canon with the third one?
Like the Spark concept, neither of those things existed at the time the first two seasons were made. The movie was made to introduce them both into the cartoon.
Though the Marvel Comics had its Creation Matrix, it was a wholly different concept from the movie's Matrix of Leadership that the cartoon's mainstream appeal forced the comics to retcon into being a thing more similar to the movie's/cartoon's Matrix of Leadership, while also having to reconcile it with how the comic originally depicted it.
Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And the Vok's origins tying them to the Swarm from Marvel G2.
Eight years after Beast Wars had ended.
Nay! The origin was conceived by Larry DiTillio during the development of the Vok when the cartoon was still airing, and later published in the Beast Wars Universe guidebook in 2000. It's first fictional appearance was in "Primeval Dawn, Part 3" published in 2004, which was part 3 of a story begun by Bob Forward himself.
Shadowman wrote:Then its fanwank to say the Vok are tied to the Swarm, then.
Not when the cartoon's ship being called the Ark was done by fans while the Swarm origin was done officially.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Considering the number of times characters would randomly change colors in the original...
sorry, theres a major difference between a deliberate act and a animation error.
what was done with Screamer in BW's was deliberate.
And Megatron uses his cartoon coloring:
So much for that point about Starscream, huh?
What Sto means is, animation errors were mistakes. Starscream's coloring in the BW cartoon is never once identified in any manner as being a mistake. For all intents and purposed, the BW animator CHOSE to color him in Marvel colors, while also choosing to color Megatron in Sunbow-ish colors.
Shadowman wrote:I guess my problem is, how can Sabrblade say it irks him when people get this wrong, when by his own admission it might not be? Like he said, it's set up so it could extend from either the comics or cartoon.
My problem is when people assert that the Beast Era cartoons are in the same continuity as the G1 cartoon like it's some sort of fact that was always meant to be, when the creators specifically treat the Great War as Arthurian Legend and took elements from both the cartoon AND Marvel without favoring one over the other.
Never once has there ever been an official medium that openly confirmed that "The English-language Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons officially reside in the exact same continuity/universe/reality/dimension/world/etc. as the 1980's English-language Generation 1 Sunbow cartoon", and yet a whole lot of fans tend to think that this statement is a canonical truth despite it having never ever been declared as such by any official authority.
I ask you, any of you, to find me an official source that spells out the contents of the above statement with absolute certainty, and I will gladly look to see things in a new light.
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