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Sabrblade wrote:Well, I'd say in those flashbacks, Prowl was like a young teenager, and now he's more like a young adult. It's likely that TFs don't age as fast as humans. Perhaps some TF age faster or slower than others. Maybe newer models age at a slower pace than older models, which could explain how Prowl is still much younger than Ratchet, with both having lived around the same time.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tristar wrote:Ragnorok64 wrote:Here's a question. When did Prowl's flashbacks take place? The great war and project Omega and everything were supposed to take place 4 million years ago right?
Prowl's flashbacks took place over a large period of Time. By the time Prowl returned from his spirtual quest it is possible that the great war was over or nearly over.
I just didnt picture Prowl being that old to begin with.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Thanks for telling me what I just told you in my last post.
If thats what you got out of all of that then I pity you.
Saber Prime wrote:I allready knew how the terms were used. I may not of done a good job exsplaining them to you but I tried.
Fair enough but you still seem to be confusing the 2.
Evidence is proof positive of an event.
An example would be Sudamc saying he used parts of Megatron in Sari
Circumstantial evidence is an indication of proof by indirect means.
the list of examples you poster earlier.
Saber Prime wrote:You're being contridicting again. If it's "not evidence" than it's "not circumstantial evidence" either.
No you just dont understand that they are 2 different things.
Saber Prime wrote:"evidence" as you yourself just pointed out has two different uses. One as "proof" and the other as "clue"
When did I point that out??
I said a clue and a hint were not evidence.
Saber Prime wrote:circumstantial evidence points to a possibility of a fact that has yet to be proven.
No circumstantial evidence points to a possibility of a theory.
Saber Prime wrote: You just said the evidence didn't exsist so that means you're saying there isn't a possibility.
A possibility does not require evidence of fact....it only requires that there isint evidence that excludes it.
Saber Prime wrote:So again, you're being contridicting.
Nope
Saber Prime wrote: You're argueing with me and agreeing with me at the same time, exsplain how that's not contridicting.
Because your failing to see how both terms are different.
Saber Prime wrote:You have agreed that there is a possibility of a conection to Megatron. You have agreed that there have been clues to lead to that conclusion. (being found near Megatron's head, the red eyes, ect.)
Yet at the same time you're argueing that there isn't any possibility of a conection to Megatron. You have made the claim that there are not any clues to start this argument.
Can you choose a side allready.
I said there is no evidence, proof positive, of a connection....and there isint.
Saber Prime wrote: but no one ever claimed there was any true direct evidence.
Actually the post I was replying to did imply so, as did you when you said that there was "evidence".
There is no evidence there is only circumstantial evidence
There is no evidence there is only evidence
There is no concret evidence there is only circumstantial evidence
Saber Prime wrote: You never specified what definition of the word evidence you were useing.
I figured it should have been obvious.
Saber Prime wrote:I pointed out that there was circumstantial evidence which proved your statement to be wrong
Not at all since they are 2 different things.
Better luck next time.
Saber Prime wrote:Again you never specified "direct" evidence you only said that there was not any "evidence" which could allso be refering to "circumstantial" evidence.
Because I didnt have to."Evidence" has a different defintion then "circumstantial evidence" because they are 2 different things.
Saber Prime wrote:Nope because as I've pointed out you never specified what you were talking about
I used the specific word and its definition as it applied to the discussion.
Its not my fault you failed to see the obvious.
Saber Prime wrote: so your statement reads that "there is no evidence" of Sari haveing a conection to Megatron. Meaning that there is not even circumstantial evidence.
Thats not how it reads because both terms have different defintions.
Saber Prime wrote:At the verry least, you worded your post wrong for not specifiying "indesputable evidence"
Not even
Saber Prime wrote: but even then you asked how Rodimus came to the conclusion that Sari had a conection to Megatron and I pointed out that there was circumstantial evidence that could lead to that conclusion. Had you actully worded your post corectly I still would of pointed out the circumstantial evidence to answer the question of how someone could come to that conclusion.
Which wouldnt have changed what I said.Saying "indisputable evidence" may have made it clearer for you but I find it to be a bit redundant.
Nice try again but no cigar.
Sabrblade wrote:Well, I'd say in those flashbacks, Prowl was like a young teenager, and now he's more like a young adult. It's likely that TFs don't age as fast as humans. Perhaps some TF age faster or slower than others. Maybe newer models age at a slower pace than older models, which could explain how Prowl is still much younger than Ratchet, with both having lived around the same time.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tristar wrote:Ragnorok64 wrote:Here's a question. When did Prowl's flashbacks take place? The great war and project Omega and everything were supposed to take place 4 million years ago right?
Prowl's flashbacks took place over a large period of Time. By the time Prowl returned from his spirtual quest it is possible that the great war was over or nearly over.
I just didnt picture Prowl being that old to begin with.
Saber Prime wrote:No I do understand.
Saber Prime wrote: What you don't understand is that they are both the same word with 2 different meanings.
Saber Prime wrote: Circumstantial evidence is two words not one.
Saber Prime wrote: One of thoughs words being "evidence" so unless you specify which definition you're useing just saying "evidence" eliminates them both.
Saber Prime wrote:But they are circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial or not the word "evidence" is still in use either way so you can't eliminate one without the other unless you specifiy which one you're talking about.
Saber Prime wrote:Now you're not makeing sence again. possibility of a theory? What the hell is that supose to mean.
Saber Prime wrote:I don't even know how to respond to that one.
Saber Prime wrote:Yes.
Saber Prime wrote:You're saying that something is a possibility while at the same time saying it isn't,
Saber Prime wrote:No, I'm not, you're failing to see that both definitions use the same word and that by saying one isn't there without first specifing what definition you're useing you're eliminating both uses of said word.
Saber Prime wrote:You say that now but that's not what your original statement said. And I stated that your original statement was wrong because there was circumstantial evidence. Allso you're original post asked how Rodimus came to that conclusion without any evidence so I pointed out all the circumstantial evidence that could of lead him to that conclusion. Then you started this argument claiming circumstantial evidence was not evidence and it sure as hell looks like the same word to me. Different definitions, yes but the same word.
Saber Prime wrote:1. I don't see where it implyed anything but it was Rodimus who posted it.
Rodimus2006 wrote:We know it is going to happen eventually is it going to be a father/daughter moment will Sari snap and go out of control again or will she turn on the Autobots once she releazizes what her true origins really are.
Rodimus2006 wrote:Megatron is important part of Sari's origins but it unkown for what purpose or why.
Saber Prime wrote:I only said "evidence" as did you which would include BOTH uses of the word.
Saber Prime wrote:
2. There is no DIRECT evidence but there is evidence. It is CIRCUMSTANTIAL but it is still evidence. How do you keep failing to grasp a simple concept like the fact that you're useing the SAME WORD in two completly different and CONTRIDICTING statements.
Saber Prime wrote: See how much more clearly that read.
Saber Prime wrote: Hey, that's my trade maked exscuse, you owe me a quarter.![]()
Saber Prime wrote:You did have to.
Saber Prime wrote: You can use the word evidence without useing the word circumstantial and still mean the same thing as circumstantial evidence as long as you specify in some other way that the evidence is circumstantial.
Saber Prime wrote:Your post was a generic statement that could of meant either of the two definitions.
Saber Prime wrote:That is how it reads because both terms use the same word.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
DavidT wrote:I think "Predacons Rising" should have been called "Predacons Falling". Overall it was a so-so episode. Not real bad. Finally see Wasp turn into Waspinator.
Oh, and a lil' Beast Wars easter egg and the very end. A Gorilla, Rhino, Cheeta, and a Rat LOL!
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Don't forget when Sentinel called Snarl "Horn Head." Rattrap called Rhinox that at least once in BW.Saber Prime wrote:DavidT wrote:I think "Predacons Rising" should have been called "Predacons Falling". Overall it was a so-so episode. Not real bad. Finally see Wasp turn into Waspinator.
Oh, and a lil' Beast Wars easter egg and the very end. A Gorilla, Rhino, Cheeta, and a Rat LOL!
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There was more than that.
Waspinator's power overload was reminicent to all the Beast Wars characters being overloaded by over exsposer to the raw energon while in robot mode. And then Waspinator being in pieces reassembleing himself.
At any rate, I think "The Wasp and the Spider" would be a better title sence they never formed a team of any kind. Blackarachnia was just useing Wasp but they didn't team up she just tricked him. The name "Predacons" was never used in the dialog of the episode, only the title.
BTW Waspinators robot mode looks OK but the beast mode looks NOTHING like his toy and is fat as all hell. How does something that fat turn into something that skinny?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
DavidT wrote:
Oh, and a lil' Beast Wars easter egg and the very end. A Gorilla, Rhino, Cheeta, and a Rat LOL!
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Spectral Dragon wrote:I hereby declare HMW shall now be known as Heavy Metal Crack (that's HMC for short)!
oldskooltf wrote:So where is BlackArachnia & Waspinator at the end of the episode? Did they transport back in time? I wouldn't think there'd be an Ape, Rhino, and Cheetah (well... a Rat is possible) on that remote island in Detroit. But back in time... possibly.
Or did they transport to a different planet? I'm thinking "no way" on that idea.
Tristar wrote:Did anyone besides me notice that the transwarp chamber BA used looked like the chamber used in the Movie the Fly.
Random wrote:Tristar wrote:Did anyone besides me notice that the transwarp chamber BA used looked like the chamber used in the Movie the Fly.
What I was thinking too. Come to think of it, the whole premise for that scene came from the Fly movie....
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget when Sentinel called Snarl "Horn Head." Rattrap called Rhinox that at least once in BW.Saber Prime wrote:DavidT wrote:Oh, and a lil' Beast Wars easter egg and the very end. A Gorilla, Rhino, Cheeta, and a Rat LOL!
There was more than that.
Waspinator's power overload was reminicent to all the Beast Wars characters being overloaded by over exsposer to the raw energon while in robot mode. And then Waspinator being in pieces reassembleing himself.
Plus, the transwarp device thing that BA used to turn Wasp into Waspinator looks kinda like the device that BW Megatron used to create TM2 Dinobot.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Subspace.Scatterlung wrote:"Where does Prime's trailer go?"
A mouth.Scatterlung wrote:"What's behind Prime's faceplate?"
Well, while it may be possible that they were warped into the heart of Africa, the script of the episode calls that setting a "primitive Earth-like planet". But, Derrick J. Wyatt encourages us not to read too much into the scene.Scatterlung wrote:I haven't read back through this thread so I'm gonna ask. Did anyone conclude that BA and Waspinator were sent back in time? Looking through a TFW2005 thread, someone firmly said that they'd been taken back "as you can tell by the flora and fauna". It makes sense when you consider the transwarp explosion, but then we haven't heard of Transwarp in this universe having anything to do with Time Travel where it did in the Beast Wars.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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