The Energon Pub

[Tranzilla]

It looks okay so far, but the Grimlock thing is bugging me.

I agree.

Not to be racist. But, GRIMLOCK SHOULD NOT BE BLACK!!! I apologize to anybody I have offended in the comment. But he should always be the thick headed egomaniacal dunce that we all fell in love with. And he should be silver. Or copper. OR ANYTHING BESIDES GREEN! (I will call him Greenlock from now on.)

Oh and Bisk?! Oh dear god.

Odd character in Bisk. Has lobster-ish qualities with the claws and eye stalks, so I assume it's a play on "lobster bisque" namewise.

Grimlock with the Decepticon symbol is odd, but it's not the first time a Decepticon or Predacon has switched allegiances. Having the authority issue solidifies this Grimlock is close in demeanor to the G1 version.

[Zeedust]

So wait, if Steeljaw's in charge of the Decepticons, does that make him a...

Megatron Wolf?

[Madeus Prime]

It looks okay so far, but the Grimlock thing is bugging me.

I agree.

Not to be racist. But, GRIMLOCK SHOULD NOT BE BLACK!!! I apologize to anybody I have offended in the comment. But he should always be the thick headed egomaniacal dunce that we all fell in love with. And he should be silver. Or copper. OR ANYTHING BESIDES GREEN! (I will call him Greenlock from now on.)

Oh and Bisk?! Oh dear god.

Odd character in Bisk. Has lobster-ish qualities with the claws and eye stalks, so I assume it's a play on "lobster bisque" namewise.

Grimlock with the Decepticon symbol is odd, but it's not the first time a Decepticon or Predacon has switched allegiances. Having the authority issue solidifies this Grimlock is close in demeanor to the G1 version.

Yeah, but he's green. AND BLACK! (Again, no offence intended.)

[Sabrblade]

Gray and/or copper are boring. Green is the most interesting color Grimlock's been in recent years.

[metalogan]

Ahhhh everything was going OK ( by "OK" I mean acceptable for a kids cartoon), until I saw that first clip where one of my favorite childhood characters, Grimlock, sounds "GHETTO" .. That is just plain stupid and further demotes our children's level of intelligence. Notice, I didn't say "black" . I've heard Hispanics, Asians, and Anglo/Caucasians sound like this; and all of them are the most obnoxious and annoying individuals to ever exist. It's a modern, trendy, hip-hop oriented subculture. I can see where Hasbro execs start saying" hey kids like ghetto rap hip-hop stuff, they like dinosaurs, and Grimlock was a popular character in the new Transformer movie; I got it , let's make him Ghetto! " Though someone probably said " let's make him black, ethnic, or urban". What a stupid , cheesy, greedy, and idiotic way to CHANGE a character. This is not diversity, it's stereotyping and trend following. Furthermore , this is an insult to the original tv, and comic character.

Bring back a Beast Wars-like cartoon that actually makes people " think" rather than just be entertained by action and explosions and subculture trends. At this point the franchise is big enough to give us nothing but all new characters with universal sensibility that will still be appreciated and would make enough of a profit - rather than this ghetto trash b.s. This is a new low for Hasbro!Change the voice, or change the name. That is not Grimlock!

[Deadput]

Bring back a Beast Wars-like cartoon

Beast wars is DEEEAAAAAD!


Get over it when things change and if you don't like it don't watch it.


And this is not G1 Grimlock but RID Grimlock so its a good thing they are changing from the norm because that makes things interesting.

[Spleenzorio]

I was at the panel today, it looks like it's going to be a great show. They said they are toning down from the seriousness of Prime with more humor, "but there will still be war and battles" according to Khary Payton (Grimlock's VA)

[Deadput]

Grimlock, sounds "GHETTO"

I think you need to learn what Ghetto means because what you said was racist.

[dedcat]

A few thoughts...

This looks to be very kid friendly. I guess the leap from Rescue Bots to Prime was a bit too far and Hasbro needed a softer touch for the key demographic.

I get it, it's not Prime. And while ditching the gritty CG for bright and happy colors is acceptable, the writing is suffering from a total lack of depth. These are very one dimensional character archetypes.

Bumblebee as the reluctant leader is a good choice. It echoes the comics, but will be a fresh idea to most.

Battle masks are neat. I hope they integrate them into the toyline so I don't have to buy $20 3rd party heads.

Please get rid of those circular faction symbols.

I already hate Grimlock. I'm also pretty sure he will be the lines first re-paint.

The decepticon-of-the-week gimmick will get old fast but it gives Ash and his friends plenty of excuses to catch em all.

Speaking of cons and that animal themed look, I am completely in love with the designs I've seen so far... even if basing alien robot forms off earth animals makes no sense whatsoever.

Lastly, was that Roberto from Futurama in that one clip?

[Peridot]

Long and slightly racist rant

So, Cyborg from Teen Titans is "ghetto"? Give me a freaking break. I talk like that, and I'm from Long Island! If you seriously think that slight accent is bad, why don't you actually go live in a real ghetto? In the Deep South, Grimlock's voice would be considered mild. How is that type of diction "demoting our children's level of intelligence", anyways? Because they don't all sound like generic white guys?

[Peridot]

Lastly, was that Roberto from Futurama in that one clip?

I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed that!

[megatronus]

People need to chill out about Grimlock's colors & voice. So this is a different incarnation of the character than we've known in the past - so what?

Also, anyone else think Bee's silhouette vaguely resembles TF: Prime's Prime (before the BH/Forge of Solus Prime upgrade)? Between the broad chest and arm/shoulder configuration, he just seems... Prime-ish.

[psj333]

Judging by one of the two released clips, it appears that the lobster Decepticon named Bisk has a vehicle mode which bears a striking resemblance to a 1967 Pontiac GTO, only futuristic. If you notice the front at the beginning of the footage, you will notice that it strongly resembles the look of that car. Translation, Bisk`s vehicle mode is a futuristic muscle car. Don`t believe me? Google the 1967 Pontiac GTO, look for images of it, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

[Zeedust]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I'm not particularly fond of Khary Peyton using the exact same voice for Grimlock that he does for Cyborg, because I think that's gonna color people's perceptions of the character and they'll see similarities that aren't necessarily there. And I think Khary is more than capable of making them sound at least a little different if he wants to.

[Shuttershock]

The premise makes me think Power Rangers Time Force. Monsters on a prison ship being hunted and put back in stasis.

[Sabrblade]

So we got a team of Autobots consisting of Bumblebee, Strongarm, Sideswipe, Grimlock, and Fixit going after various escaped Decepticon convicts (Decepticonvicts? ) including Steeljaw, Underbite, Bisk, and Hammerstrike.

[Zeedust]

I do wish we knew what Fixit transformed into, or even if they designed an alt mode for him at all. I also can't help but think he has the potential to get annoying.

Did the Optimus Prime scene in the trailer from a few days ago seem a little "He lives in you" to anyone else?

Still wish Raf was in this, it seems odd that Bumblebee would come back to Earth and not contact his best friend on the whole planet.

[gantzrunner]

Can I take this as a sign that the BS "aligned" continuity has been abandoned? WFC and FOC didn't link to Prime well at all, the books were more like a retelling of the games that expanded that story but also altered some events and STILL didn't link well to Prime, and now the sequel to Prime has a very new take on Grimlock. I really don't see how such a huge redesign of a character can still be in the same universe of FOC. This isn't a critique on the new grimlock, I just don't want to see some ridiculous retcon of the character just so Hasbro can keep forcing the poorly connected universes together. I want to see the different properties go in their respective directions, not be forced to try to work with each other. Otherwise we could end up with another "rise of the dark spark" type mash-up failure

[ebonyleopard]

It looks okay so far, but the Grimlock thing is bugging me.

Not to be racist.

There isn't a sentence ever spoken that has started out "Not to be racist.." and didn't end up sounding racist anyway. Just saying.

Annd that being said, it'll be interesting to see if this actually is indeed THE Grimlock or someone who's taken on the Grimlock name like Beast Wars Megatron took on the Megatron mantel.

But seriously..never start a sentence "Not to be racist.." Because it never turns out sounding they way you think it is.

[Zeedust]

Bring back a Beast Wars-like cartoon

Beast wars is DEEEAAAAAD!


Get over it when things change and if you don't like it don't watch it.


And this is not G1 Grimlock but RID Grimlock so its a good thing they are changing from the norm because that makes things interesting.

Hey, show a little respect, Beast Wars was a great show, plus its toyline's success saved the Transformers franchise from being scrapped after G2 underperformed. I get what you're trying to say, but still.

[PrymeStriker]

Okay, Bisk is terribly annoying. Not only is his design the weirdest thing I've seen in ages, but judging by some of his dialogue, they're giving him some sort of gamer archetype. On top of that, his voice is so god-awfully dull and uninspired. Aside from him, nothing here is all that interesting. I doubt this is something I'll be watching for very long. And that's sad considering I really wanted to like the sequel to one of the best cartoons in recent years.

[RevTibe]

I'd say the voice works for Grimlock, having him do the "ME GRIMLOCKKK"-barbarian shtick as one of the main characters of a series would get old very quickly.

And I don't think the change in his circumstance is that crazy either. It's not hard to imagine how a somewhat unhinged character prone to uncontrollable violent outburst could wind up imprisoned.

Example: On Cybertron, Shockwave's alterations to Grim' mind degenerate, he becomes more and more unhinged. Lost in the wilderness and stuck in beastmode, 'cons capture him to use as an attack dog, and they give him a fresh coat of paint and Deceptibrands. The 'cons are captured, the Autobots don't know the scary green monster is Grimlock, they put them all on the prison ship. Ship crashes, reboots Grimlock, fixing his brain, but damaging his memory.

[Zeedust]

I'd say the voice works for Grimlock, having him do the "ME GRIMLOCKKK"-barbarian shtick as one of the main characters of a series would get old very quickly.

And I don't think the change in his circumstance is that crazy either. It's not hard to imagine how a somewhat unhinged character prone to uncontrollable violent outburst could wind up imprisoned.

Example: On Cybertron, Shockwave's alterations to Grim' mind degenerate, he becomes more and more unhinged. Lost in the wilderness and stuck in beastmode, 'cons capture him to use as an attack dog, and they give him a fresh coat of paint and Deceptibrands. The 'cons are captured, the Autobots don't know the scary green monster is Grimlock, they put them all on the prison ship. Ship crashes, reboots Grimlock, fixing his brain, but damaging his memory.

Or simpler: At some point his savage side so overtakes him that he no longer knows fiend from foe, nor particularly cares about the distinction. Autobots lock him up to keep him and themselves safe until they can fix his programming.

And then he escapes to Earth and hangs out with Beast Boy.

[fenrir72]

It's done guys. Voice actors been hired and recorded their lines. Wished we don't let real world politics creep into our fantasy world (though PC such as laser fire and body mutilations are a no no and so un PC)

Let's see/give the series a chance (not to thrilled imho) if this gets the proper ratings to get it to match previous ratings of the older series.

[metalogan]

Grimlock, sounds "GHETTO"

I think you need to learn what Ghetto means because what you said was racist.

I can understand your empathy to want to think appropriately, civilized and not hurt anyone's feelings. For that I applaud you. You must have a big heart, and I mean that in the most sincerest of ways. However, I think some people need to stop with the racist" witch hunt". Perhaps, people ought to utilize context clues to understand what I meant by "ghetto" subculture. That has absolutely nothing to do with RACE, itself. I hear plenty of white and Hispanic people sound like ghetto trash- and it's not like they were taught to talk like that at school. I can use other words to describe what I was talking about: " Hollywood Hip-hop sub culture" , " trend slang", " anti-intellectual movement" . So perhaps, one shouldn't be so quick to accuse someone of being a "racist". In fact, as a minority, I've experienced true racism in different parts of the Country and oversees. So I apologize if when my statement hits some people in bleeding heart, I know they mean right ; but the fact of the matter is, they turned a character into a rip-off caricature . It's like turning Super Mario into a California surfer dude with blonde hair. It's just stupid and a cheap way to get more $$$ . It's just like what Michael Bay did with Skidz and Mudflap in ROTF - stupid stereotypes utilizing the colloquialism a popular subculture. Characters are who they are. I think changing the character is an insult to the original fans who kept the franchise alive for 20+ years, new fans who watched the old show, the writers of both the show and comics, Gregg Berger ( who voiced Grimlock ), and my basset hound that I named Grimlock! Why not just call him Grimhop, or Grimload, or Ghettolock - seriously. IF it's not the character- give it a different name!