The Energon Pub

[psj333]

No, I know Quillfire and Springload showed up previously, I just was using them as examples for their somewhat entertaining personalities, more so with Vertebreak, but I love psychotic 'Cons. I've watched the show, same as you, maybe with a tad less enthusiasm, I was clapping for Megatronus at the end...

You know, I would have thought about that too. But at the same time, I would sincerely do hope that the Cons that were left out, such as Veretbreak, Kickback, and many others to appear at the 2016 Toy Fair, BotCon 2016, or perhaps even SDCC 2016. I'm dying to see these characters made in their toy forms, not just Thunderhoof, Clampdown, Springload, and Quillfire.

[Flashwave]

it's the last season,

[citation needed]

A while back that Hasbro had confirmed RID would only have this season and then call it quits.

Why, sure. I would definitely love to see these Cons have a big prison break and engage in a huge battle between Autobot and Decepticon forces in Season 2. That would be great! Turn off the cops-and-robbers storyline and bring the war on. Then, have these criminals re-arrested and put them in prison again. Don`t get me wrong. I do love this show very much until now. I just feel that this entire cops-and-robbers storyline needs to stop for a while.

Finally we can agree on something. My only comment is that it's unlikely we're going to see any sort of reappearance or development of the Decepticons that have been captured before such time, short of maybe some that are popular or have a definite personality that would bring value to bringing them back (Springload, Vertebreak, ect.).

while I am not against the War stuff, I am not convinced these bots were IN the War. Bumblebee sure, but Stringarm addressses ut from Textbooks, not experience. And none of the cons have "Military" crimes I din't believe. Not as far as tge TV show is concerned. we never got an offical time on how long its been, but all implications from the TV series is that its been a Cybertronian generation at least. These are not War criminals or war Autobots.so that wouldnt make sense.

And remember the target audience they want: they are trying to instill definite rights and wrongs. Cops and Robbers is better for that than war stuff.

[psj333]

while I am not against the War stuff, I am not convinced these bots were IN the War. Bumblebee sure, but Stringarm addressses ut from Textbooks, not experience. And none of the cons have "Military" crimes I din't believe. Not as far as tge TV show is concerned. we never got an offical time on how long its been, but all implications from the TV series is that its been a Cybertronian generation at least. These are not War criminals or war Autobots.so that wouldnt make sense.

And remember the target audience they want: they are trying to instill definite rights and wrongs. Cops and Robbers is better for that than war stuff.

While I do agree with most of what you said, I do somewhat oppose the cops-and-robbers idea. When Transformers was first launched in 1984, it was never a cop-and-robbers series to begin with. It was all about Autobota and Decepticons fighting for power. But for Robots In Disguise 2015, this is different, as the Autobots hunt down every single suspect and apprehended them before locked up in their cages, no matter how powerful, big, strong, or fast that they are. Therefore, I was hoping that once Season 2 starts, it should gradually go back to its roots as most Transformers series should have been, while at the same time embracing the animal-based characters who have vehicle modes.

[BeastProwl]

So I haven't read through this thread because of spoilers, I just came here to ask, is RiD worth watching at all? I've seen a few episodes, and it seems childish and kinda cringe-inducing at times, especially the recurring gag with bumblebee's catchphrases. Does it get better? And does it follow off of prime well, or no? Any insight is appreciated, thanks

[Madeus Prime]

So I haven't read through this thread because of spoilers, I just came here to ask, is RiD worth watching at all? I've seen a few episodes, and it seems childish and kinda cringe-inducing at times, especially the recurring gag with bumblebee's catchphrases. Does it get better? And does it follow off of prime well, or no? Any insight is appreciated, thanks

Gonna be honest, it felt like a let down after Prime. The quality, the writing, the animation, all of it went downhill. It isn't the worst TF show ever, it's no Energon or Cybertron (no offence to those who liked it, I didn't), but it isn't great either. I was hoping there was going to be a greater sense of interconnectivity between Prime and RID, but it seems that Earth has forgotten about Megatron's fortress in Jasper and everything else.

The characters are pretty bland and easily identifiable with kids, you got the unsure leader in Bumblebee, the bot-with-an-attitude-problem in Sideswipe, the inexperienced idealistic rookie in Strongarm, the nervous panicky professor in Fixit, and the big lovable idiot in Grimlock.

If you thought that there was no connection between WFC and FOC and Prime, then prepare to be amazed, because they throw that all down the toilet. Grimlock is not only entirely different looking, but he's also apparently not the Dinobot's leader nor is he a war hero. Same with Sideswipe and Jazz, they aren't the badass soldiers we saw in the games, they are now pretty much just average Autobots.

Everything is watered down for kids and you'll quickly see a correlation with Power Rangers with a themed monster of the week. For instance you have the Mafia Don with an anger issue in Thunderhoof and a stereotypical British criminal burglar team in Chop Shop. The Deceptocon of the day formula gets real old, real fast.

Optimus' reintroduction feels forced and kind of lame, it cheapens his sacrifice in Predacons Rising by having him demand to return to the real world. His "training" is really ridiculous, considering he was the leader of the Autobots and fought in the war, he should be teaching the Primes some modern tactics.

[Wigglez]

Before Prime aired, I thought that was gunna be a huge let down. I was wrong. That show was great. But after Prime, I pretty much have a standard now. Sure, not every TF show is going to be in the same mood but I'm setting the bar lower for this series

[JoeMabbon]

Optimus' reintroduction feels forced and kind of lame, it cheapens his sacrifice in Predacons Rising by having him demand to return to the real world. His "training" is really ridiculous, considering he was the leader of the Autobots and fought in the war, he should be teaching the Primes some modern tactics.

That was the most disappointing thing for me. The villain of the week format and broad characterization weren't that big a deal cuz "kid's show." The continuity hiccups weren't dealbreakers either, because aligned has been wonky from day one. But the hasty resolution of the Prime subplot was inexcusable. It feels like the writers weren't sure if they would get another season and just wanted to push a resolution out the door as quickly as possible.

[Sabrblade]

it's the last season,

[citation needed]

A while back that Hasbro had confirmed RID would only have this season and then call it quits.

I remember reading elsewhere that there was something questionable about that "news" and that it seemed more like TFW was jumping the gun or that we still need to take it with a grain of salt. As Hasbro has still yet to make any formal public announcement outside of that expo, I'm erring on the side of caution before thinking one way or the other about season 2.

So I haven't read through this thread because of spoilers, I just came here to ask, is RiD worth watching at all? I've seen a few episodes, and it seems childish and kinda cringe-inducing at times, especially the recurring gag with bumblebee's catchphrases. Does it get better? And does it follow off of prime well, or no? Any insight is appreciated, thanks

I liked its first season better than Prime's awful first season, feeling RID's first season was better put together overall. The show's nice and fun and no less childish than most other TF cartoons, as ones like Beast Machines and Prime have always been the exception rather than the norm.

My one major complaint was how terrible the season 1 finale was. It wasn't quite as bad as Prime season 1's finale, but it's definitely up there with how jarring it was in its not really fitting with the rest of the season by its trying too hard to be "edgy and epic" when compared to the more "fun and funny" tone of the rest of the season. And the big bad at the end was a huge disappointment in how unmenacing and unimpressive he was. The guy who had been the main villain for the rest of the season, Steeljaw, was a MUCH better character and was arguably the best part of the finale, as his scenes were wonderfully acted and written. It's just so frustrating how his time in the spotlight was taken away from him by the guy whom the show wanted us to think was the big bad villain that it was building up to all before when the guy was just such a waste of time.

[JoeMabbon]

Prime's first season finale was much better than RiD's, if only because Unicron actually had a viable motive and tonally it matched up with the rest of the season. I'd also argue that RiD is much more childish than the average Transformers series. Even shows that are explicitly presented as kid friendly, like Rescue Bots or Animated, made a point of touching on conditions on Cybertron. It feels like RiD just forgot about Cybertron after "Hunting Season."

[Sabrblade]

Prime's first season finale was much better than RiD's, if only because Unicron actually had a viable motive and tonally it matched up with the rest of the season.

RID's finale was at least built up to and foreshadowed, making it feel like it was at least some part of the series's story (even if all that wasn't done very well). Prime's finale, however, came completely out of the left field of nowhere with zero foreshadowing and next to no connection to anything that had come before it.

Why, the very last episode of the season that we get before the finale began was one that cliffhangered on a Synthetic Energon plot, and the very next episode after it not only pretended that the events of the previous episode never happened but had also had already started the finale's story without us, as though a whole episode was missing in between the two or something.

I'd also argue that RiD is much more childish than the average Transformers series. Even shows that are explicitly presented as kid friendly, like Rescue Bots or Animated, made a point of touching on conditions on Cybertron. It feels like RiD just forgot about Cybertron after "Hunting Season."

Even when compared to G1, RiD 2001, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron as well? Those were aimed at the same age demographic as RID 2015.

[JoeMabbon]

Dark Energon and Megatron's connection to Unicron was established from the beginning. The only twist was that Earth was Unicron, which is works a unique twist on a concept that the Unicron Trilogy hammered into the ground until it was no longer interesting. Even the reveal the Optimus and Megatron were once friends and allies was foreshadowed in the series premiere. And again, the finale's tone and plot fits the tone of the rest of the series. RiD's finale has one connecting scene at the end of an episode that is not followed up on at all until the finale.

Its been a while since I saw the Unicron Trilogy, but G1 was all over the place in tone thanks to its episodic production. The original Robots in Disguise is way more childish than average and is probably the most childish show in the franchise.

[Sabrblade]

Dark Energon and Megatron's connection to Unicron was established from the beginning.

And was barely touched upon ever again outside of two more episodes in the middle of the season. Between the season's very beginning, two episodes in its exact middle, and its very end were long gaps of story material that was completely unrelated to the Dark Energon plot. There was little to no coherence of any real ongoing narrative throughout the first season that the whole thing just felt like it was meandering around doing whatever random things for so long rather than consistently focusing on its key concept of Dark Energon to bring the series to its definite conclusion.

RID, however, knew what it was trying to do and did it, focusing on capturing escaped convicts while building up the character relationships/dynamics of the Bee Team, while Steeljaw worked behind the scenes to add numbers to his Pack, and while Optimus worked even further behind the scenes to ready himself for the impending doom that he continued to warn Bumblebee about throughout the season. That, compared to Prime's first season, is far better planning, making the finale feel more like a part of a greater cohesive whole.

The part that just wasn't good was how the finale itself was handled since it contrasted so much with the feel of the rest of the season and had such an underwhelming villain. But it at least did feel like something we knew was coming and complemented the lead-up material to some degree, whereas Prime's first finale took the unfinished Synthetic Energon plot down the drain (till very late in season 3) in favor of something out of the blue.

Its been a while since I saw the Unicron Trilogy, but G1 was all over the place in tone thanks to its episodic production. The original Robots in Disguise is way more childish than average and is probably the most childish show in the franchise.

Oh ho ho ho, my friend, there is no TF cartoon more childish that the one that was first aimed at preschoolers long before Rescue Bots was a thing.

[JoeMabbon]

Dark Energon and Megatron's connection to Unicron was established from the beginning.

And was barely touched upon ever again outside of two more episodes in the middle of the season. Between the season's very beginning, two episodes in its exact middle, and its very end were long gaps of story material that was completely unrelated to the Dark Energon plot. There was little to no coherence of any real ongoing narrative throughout the first season that the whole thing just felt like it was meandering around doing whatever random things for so long rather than consistently focusing on its key concept of Dark Energon to bring the series to its definite conclusion.

RID, however, knew what it was trying to do and did it, focusing on capturing escaped convicts while building up the character relationships/dynamics of the Bee Team, while Steeljaw worked behind the scenes to add numbers to his Pack, and while Optimus worked even further behind the scenes to ready himself for the impending doom that he continued to warn Bumblebee about throughout the season. That, compared to Prime's first season, is far better planning, making the finale feel more like a part of a greater cohesive whole.

The part that just wasn't good was how the finale itself was handled since it contrasted so much with the feel of the rest of the season and had such an underwhelming villain. But it at least did feel like something we knew was coming and complemented the lead-up material to some degree, whereas Prime's first finale took the unfinished Synthetic Energon plot down the drain (till very late in season 3) in favor of something out of the blue.

Its been a while since I saw the Unicron Trilogy, but G1 was all over the place in tone thanks to its episodic production. The original Robots in Disguise is way more childish than average and is probably the most childish show in the franchise.

Oh ho ho ho, my friend, there is no TF cartoon more childish that the one that was first aimed at preschoolers long before Rescue Bots was a thing.

I wouldn't call it working behind the scenes so much as it was something that occurred offscreen with very little connection to what actually happened throughout the season. Also, there is little evident planning needed when most of the story is episodic and self-contained with a few references here and there. Compare this to some of the other threads that developed in season 1 and 2, like Prime Arcee dealing with loss of her partner, Starscream's marginalization with the Decepticon army, MECH's interference, and the development of the human characters. I'm not saying Prime was better at character development than RiD, but season 1 was far from a random events plot. There is definitely more of an ongoing story in Transformers Prime.

Did that show actually air on tv? There are only a couple of episodes. If we're going down this rabbit hole we might as well throw in those Kreon shorts where Bumblebee gets his blaster stuck in a tree and the Autobots thwart Megatron's plot to make a grilled cheese sandwich.

[o.supreme]

So I haven't read through this thread because of spoilers, I just came here to ask, is RiD worth watching at all?

Spoilers? -No season 2 Spoilers here friend. Just a lot of random conversation . Nothing is really known at this time.

As for RiD15. Sure- it is definitely a big step down from Prime. But not unexpected. A show on Cartoon Network cannot have any serious tone to it, or it gets cancelled. Plus Hasbro is about selling toys, so they have to cater to a younger audience. The show is not without merit however. It is definitely better than shows like Armada, Cybertron, etc... I for one look forward to the 2nd season whenever it comes. Hopefully it's shortened length doesn't cause the story to suffer to much. In other words. hopefully the writers are not just "phoning it in" because they know this is it for the series.

Did that show actually air on tv? There are only a couple of episodes. If we're going down this rabbit hole we might as well throw in those Kreon shorts where Bumblebee gets his blaster stuck in a tree and the Autobots thwart Megatron's plot to make a grilled cheese sandwich.

I cant see the video at work but I am *guessing* it is one of those Go-Bots videos from the early 2000's? -If so, I believe they were VHS packaged with some of the toys, pretty sure they were never on TV. -It's funny I got my friends son a bunch of those toys when he was 2 because I figured I'd never have any kids of my own. Funny how life can change in just a few short years.

[Sabrblade]

Did that show actually air on tv? There are only a couple of episodes. If we're going down this rabbit hole we might as well throw in those Kreon shorts where Bumblebee gets his blaster stuck in a tree and the Autobots thwart Megatron's plot to make a grilled cheese sandwich.

There were four episodes. Two were on a pack-in VHS tape with one of the Speed-Bot toys, while the other two did air on TV in limited markets.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Prime was very different, but RID is still fun. It's another example of what happens after the war is over, and rather than a MTMTE style of a quest, it takes up a child's version of NCIS approach with individual episodes focusing on good cops and bad guys. And since bee and strongarm are cops and fixit a security guard, I'm grouping them as cops, which they have pretty much shown to be, with some overhanging plot threads providing an overall somewhat cohesive look.

Now I enjoyed it, but few things actually disappoint me, so take my recommendation with a grain of salt, but it's far from bad. I hope it continues its current feel though, as the war is over and people are just trying to move on. There are still criminals who need caught, so it should run as is somewhat, though I feel more bad guys coming and causing bigger problems, so it could change, but I doubt a new war will start. This is just a whole new thing.

Hope this helps!

[psj333]

Prime was very different, but RID is still fun. It's another example of what happens after the war is over, and rather than a MTMTE style of a quest, it takes up a child's version of NCIS approach with individual episodes focusing on good cops and bad guys. And since bee and strongarm are cops and fixit a security guard, I'm grouping them as cops, which they have pretty much shown to be, with some overhanging plot threads providing an overall somewhat cohesive look.

Now I enjoyed it, but few things actually disappoint me, so take my recommendation with a grain of salt, but it's far from bad. I hope it continues its current feel though, as the war is over and people are just trying to move on. There are still criminals who need caught, so it should run as is somewhat, though I feel more bad guys coming and causing bigger problems, so it could change, but I doubt a new war will start. This is just a whole new thing.

Hope this helps!

You know, I would certainly do hope so, too. But would Hasbro finally present the toys of the Decepticons that are left out that should have been made in the first place? You know those include Bisk, Terrashock, Filch, Malador, Vertebreak, Nightstrike, Octopunch, Groundpounder, Headlock, Kickback, Zizza, and Psuedo? These should have been made into toys in the first place, but that didn't happen. But will we ever see them this time at the 2016 Toyfair or so? So far the only new characters that will be at the Toy Fair are Crazybolt and Overload. We do hope that Hasbro finally makes a Warrior Clampdown and Springload this time, starting this year or so. We are all dying to see those characters become toys for real. Come on, Hasbro, do it! You can't just quit!

[JoeMabbon]

These should have been made into toys in the first place, but that didn't happen.

Keyword should. They should be toys, but they probably won't. See also: Animated Omega Supreme and Animated Constructicons.

[o.supreme]

Looks like UK has confirmed March 2016 airdate for season 2

http://www.licensing.biz/news/read/hasb ... itv/043163

Also it appears the 19 episode rumor turned out to be *true* sort of... in that Season 2 will be 16 1/2 hour episodes, and end with a movie (60-65 minutes in length which is the equivalent of 3 TV episodes, in the same fashion as Predacons Rising ended TF : Prime)

Although there has been no confirmation for North America yet, I can imagine season 2 will begin to air around the same time.

[psj333]

Looks like UK has confirmed March 2016 airdate for season 2

http://www.licensing.biz/news/read/hasb ... itv/043163

Also it appears the 19 episode rumor turned out to be *true* sort of... in that Season 2 will be 16 1/2 hour episodes, and end with a movie (60-65 minutes in length which is the equivalent of 3 TV episodes, in the same fashion as Predacons Rising ended TF : Prime)

Although there has been no confirmation for North America yet, I can imagine season 2 will begin to air around the same time.

Well, that might happen. But we're all anxious to watch the Season 2 clips online once they are all posted up on dailymotion.com.

[Madeus Prime]

We do hope that Hasbro finally makes a Warrior Clampdown and Springload this time, starting this year or so. We are all dying to see those characters become toys for real. Come on, Hasbro, do it! You can't just quit!

But we're all anxious to watch the Season 2 clips online once they are all posted up on dailymotion.com.

Not to be a Prowl about this, but saying "we" is stretching it by a long mile. Don't always lump us in with your opinions. A lot of times when you say "we", you pretty much mean "I". We might not want to see a toy of Springload or Kickback, that's not saying some people (you specifically) might want a toy of said characters, but I know I don't want toys of about 75 percent of the Decepticons in the show...

[psj333]

Not to be a Prowl about this, but saying "we" is stretching it by a long mile. Don't always lump us in with your opinions. A lot of times when you say "we", you pretty much mean "I". We might not want to see a toy of Springload or Kickback, that's not saying some people (you specifically) might want a toy of said characters, but I know I don't want toys of about 75 percent of the Decepticons in the show...

First off, Springload already has a toy to begin with. That is an One-Step changer. He is still yet to have a Warrior figure. As for Kickback, he might still get a figure, as he is expected to return in Season 2. You might remember in episode 21, the Autobots attempted to captured him, but he escaped, and is still yet to be caught. And when I use the word, "we", I don't mean I or you, but Transformers fans as a whole, since I do love Transformers as much as you do.

[o.supreme]

We do hope that Hasbro finally makes a Warrior Clampdown and Springload this time, starting this year or so. We are all dying to see those characters become toys for real. Come on, Hasbro, do it! You can't just quit!

Maybe he is just possessed by a Venom Symbiote?

[ScottyP]

I remember reading elsewhere that there was something questionable about that "news" and that it seemed more like TFW was jumping the gun or that we still need to take it with a grain of salt. As Hasbro has still yet to make any formal public announcement outside of that expo, I'm erring on the side of caution before thinking one way or the other about season 2.

I've been very vocal about this, so could have been me. I even posted in TFW's thread about it and I basically never post there anymore.

Just to clear the air here (didn't know it had come up, but don't come to this thread a lot): RiD is not confirmed to end after 2 seasons. It could, and there is some evidence that it will. It could be re-branded. Could be just canceled and Hasbro moves on to something else. Nothing is confirmed at all until you hear it from Hasbro. News sites "confirming" that the show is over after the second season and a movie are pulling at straws and creating their own facts based on tangentially related statements. If I get a chance to ask Hasbro about this soon, I will, but there may not be a solid answer even then. It's possible that even they don't know and are waiting to see how this season does and how the RiD toys did over the holidays.

[o.supreme]

This is not an official statement from Hasbro?

http://www.asiatvforum.com/en/Exhibitor ... n-Disguise