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william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:BW original Blackarachnia needs to have a good version made.

I thought we got that

My problems with her is that she has regular hands instead of her normal pincer claws (I wish they gave her optional pincers that fit over her hands), and she's freakishly big compared to modern Generations figures when she's supposed to be a relatively short character.



Emerje

Emerje wrote: when she's supposed to be a relatively short character.

You say that and yet I bet when MP Blackarachnia is eventually released, some will complain about how small she is...



On par with Rattrap.

As many times as I’ve watched Beast Wars, including a very recent viewing, I never took notice of how short Scorponok is, and how tall Terrorsaur is. Their respective toys were wildly out of proportion.

Bucky wrote:As many times as I’ve watched Beast Wars, including a very recent viewing, I never took notice of how short Scorponok is, and how tall Terrorsaur is. Their respective toys were wildly out of proportion.

Indeed, that's why MP Terrorsaur won't be quite as "impossible" as some assume. HasTak will actually have quite a big figure to work with. As for Scorponok... Other than the toy, I'm trying to think of a way he isn't just a disappointment overall.

I am surprised this became a discussion of scale when its not something the generations line has ever been known for. The Beast Wars MPs are all about scale, but I thought some of us just wanted decent gen toys of Beast Wars characters for now.

Sorry, Will. Didn’t intend to contribute to derailing the topic.

This is another great list you guys put together. Of those five, I think I’d like to see a new Tigerhawk (with robotic tiger head, yes, please), and especially a new Terrorsaur. I’m a sucker for any sycophantic Starscream types. I think it would be awesome if they updated his toy, and then did a bunch of redecos for an armada of Beast Wars styled Seekers.

Beast Machines was fine. I’ve never been a real big fan, but I never disliked it. However some updated vehicons would be pretty neat. Thrust did have the best design out of the first three cons. An updated Obsidian and Strika would be cool, too. And while BM wasn’t a favorite of mine, I’m admittedly curious to know what might have been with Transtech.

I don’t envy you the task of narrowing down these top five lists. Especially for something like The Beast Era, which I have a ton of love for. I said as much in the last top five list, when you said BW/BM was next, but Airazor would still be my number one pick.

Bucky wrote:I don’t envy you the task of narrowing down these top five lists. Especially for something like The Beast Era, which I have a ton of love for. I said as much in the last top five list, when you said BW/BM was next, but Airazor would still be my number one pick.

She's an awesome character, I hope she gets a new toy too And since she does have some kind of backpack in robot mode, she seems a tad more feasable than Terrorsaur.

william-james88 wrote:

Bucky wrote:I don’t envy you the task of narrowing down these top five lists. Especially for something like The Beast Era, which I have a ton of love for. I said as much in the last top five list, when you said BW/BM was next, but Airazor would still be my number one pick.

She's an awesome character, I hope she gets a new toy too And since she does have some kind of backpack in robot mode, she seems a tad more feasable than Terrorsaur.

It's funny you say that about Airazor. As I've noted elsewhere I've been on a mini collecting spree with Beast Wars of late. Completing my collection of the Shark and Wolf mold variants and something occurred to me. Within the Beast Wars "Wave 1" Airazor is one of a kind. There were no other characters used for that mold, retool or redeco. Other than some of the Fuzors having wings, Bird Bots were actually quite rare within Beast Wars: Airazor, Silverbolt (the Eagle) and Prowl II. Perhaps that fact speaks more to their actual popularity within the BW fanbase as a whole?

Anyway, Vehicons. Personally, I could care less about the Vehicons used in BM to get a Generations Figure. Much like the Fuzors, the designs that didn't make the show were so much better.





Mirage and Scavenger were fantastic Vehicons that could really do with a size upgrade. A voyager class Scavenger, for example, would look awesome. The Vehicons are a virtual untapped goldmine of potential, largely wasted on out of continuity books and such.

william-james88 wrote:I am surprised this became a discussion of scale when its not something the generations line has ever been known for. The Beast Wars MPs are all about scale, but I thought some of us just wanted decent gen toys of Beast Wars characters for now.

Generations isn't about scale, but it still has a rough sense of it. I wouldn't expect Blackarachnia to be a Legends class figure, but I also wouldn't expect her to be as tall as a Voyager. I have this Blackarachnia and she just looks out of place with everything else.

Emerje

So no one else wants a Beast Wars Ravage...?

Rodimus Prime wrote:So no one else wants a Beast Wars Ravage...?

Now that you mentioned it
A beast wars ravage that's not a combiner
That has beast robot and some sort of vehicle or cassette modes

Ultra Markus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:So no one else wants a Beast Wars Ravage...?

Now that you mentioned it
A beast wars ravage that's not a combiner
That has beast robot and some sort of vehicle or cassette modes

I meant a screen accurate Ravage. Obviously he couldn't be a small enough cassette to fit into MP or G1 Soundwave, but maybe he could pull off a real life cassette size.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:So no one else wants a Beast Wars Ravage...?

Now that you mentioned it
A beast wars ravage that's not a combiner
That has beast robot and some sort of vehicle or cassette modes

I meant a screen accurate Ravage. Obviously he couldn't be a small enough cassette to fit into MP or G1 Soundwave, but maybe he could pull off a real life cassette size.

Regular or Micro

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:So no one else wants a Beast Wars Ravage...?

Now that you mentioned it
A beast wars ravage that's not a combiner
That has beast robot and some sort of vehicle or cassette modes

I meant a screen accurate Ravage. Obviously he couldn't be a small enough cassette to fit into MP or G1 Soundwave, but maybe he could pull off a real life cassette size.

Should they ever make MP Beast Wars Ravage, that is exactly what I want. Roughly TM Cheetor with a Cassette Altmode. However for Generations, in particular a Beast Era-centric line, Personally I think they should just stick to the characters of the era. No Grimlock, Prowl, Ravage etc

Magmatron being another one off the top of my head that could do with a decent figure. I may not like the Japanese BW shows and what they did to several of the toy designs I really like, but some of their cast have merit.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:However for Generations, in particular a Beast Era-centric line, Personally I think they should just stick to the characters of the era. No Grimlock, Prowl, Ravage etc.

I get no Prowl or Grimlock, but Ravage was an integral part of the end of Beast Wars. He should get a toy. Besides, he is a G1 character directly affecting the event, lives and futures of the next generation of characters, so if there ever was a poster bot for a line called "Generations," he is it. I understand there were other cross-generational characters/events, but Ravage was 1 of the earliest ones and likely 1 of the most impactful as far as story goes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:However for Generations, in particular a Beast Era-centric line, Personally I think they should just stick to the characters of the era. No Grimlock, Prowl, Ravage etc.

I get no Prowl or Grimlock, but Ravage was an integral part of the end of Beast Wars. He should get a toy. Besides, he is a G1 character directly affecting the event, lives and futures of the next generation of characters, so if there ever was a poster bot for a line called "Generations," he is it. I understand there were other cross-generational characters/events, but Ravage was 1 of the earliest ones and likely 1 of the most impactful as far as story goes.

But where do you draw the line? Starscream, albeit indirectly, is integral to Beast Wars. Starscream begat Rampage and he greatly influenced the world around him. So does he get a toy?

Likewise, Optimal Optimus and TM 2 Megatron wouldn't exist without their G1 counterparts, which greatly influences Season 3 and Beast Machines. So do they get toys too?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:However for Generations, in particular a Beast Era-centric line, Personally I think they should just stick to the characters of the era. No Grimlock, Prowl, Ravage etc.

I get no Prowl or Grimlock, but Ravage was an integral part of the end of Beast Wars. He should get a toy. Besides, he is a G1 character directly affecting the event, lives and futures of the next generation of characters, so if there ever was a poster bot for a line called "Generations," he is it. I understand there were other cross-generational characters/events, but Ravage was 1 of the earliest ones and likely 1 of the most impactful as far as story goes.

But where do you draw the line? Starscream, albeit indirectly, is integral to Beast Wars. Starscream begat Rampage and he greatly influenced the world around him. So does he get a toy?

Likewise, Optimal Optimus and TM 2 Megatron wouldn't exist without their G1 counterparts, which greatly influences Season 3 and Beast Machines. So do they get toys too?

There is an appearance of Unicron as well

Anyways, I thik the big difference between Ravage and all other G1 cameos on the show is that Ravage was reformatted to become a Predacon with a new body and everything. To the point that even though its the same character, we need to say we are talking about Beast Wars Ravage when talking about this form of his to be properly understood. This iteration of Ravage is proper to the Beast Era.

I think its a great character to bring up. The reason I did not put him on the list is because I think he is a pipe dream, at least the way people are expressing what they want.

Rampage is still nebulous in that regard though. Technically he is a reformatted Starscream. I mean it's quite a unique circumstance within Transformers, how else would you describe a cloned Spark?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But where do you draw the line? Starscream, albeit indirectly, is integral to Beast Wars. Starscream begat Rampage and he greatly influenced the world around him. So does he get a toy?

Likewise, Optimal Optimus and TM 2 Megatron wouldn't exist without their G1 counterparts, which greatly influences Season 3 and Beast Machines. So do they get toys too?

Starscream wouldn't, because he didn't have a body, just a spark that took over another bot. And both G1 Prime and Megatron, as well as Optimal Optimus and TM2 Megatron, have toys, even though I would like to see a Generations line update of the latter 2, as well as Rampage, even if he did get some love at a recent BotCon. That figure was a repaint though, it wasn't really screen accurate.

For me:
BWII Galvatron. We have plenty of Lioconvoys, where's his nemesis?
BWN Big Convoy. Only one toy? Really?
Terrorsaur. Show sized! He should be at least a voyager!
TMII Dinobot. A better one, larger, with articulation.
Botanica. Finally! For completion's sake!

OptimusPrimeval wrote:BWN Big Convoy. Only one toy? Really?

Here's your second Big Convoy figure, in CHUG style no less, dressing up as a Decepticon and calling himself Big Fight to motivate Blitzwing.



Happy now?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

OptimusPrimeval wrote:BWN Big Convoy. Only one toy? Really?

Here's your second Big Convoy figure, in CHUG style no less, dressing up as a Decepticon and calling himself Big Fight to motivate Blitzwing.

Happy now?

Emerje

He's neither big, nor a Convoy, nor a Maximal. He's the wrong colours, the wrong animal, and he's more an accessory than a figure! So I'm happy... to stick with my statement that there's only one Big Convoy toy!

Just wanted to go back to the Blackarachnia discssion for a bit. The Legends/Generations one we got 2 years ago might not be perfect, but I really dont think its a bad choice to the point that we should concentrate on another toy of her rather than another character and this pic shows what I was thinking:



Looks the part enough in a generations line.

Plus I remember when there were 4 chan rumours of a Beast Wars subline in Power of the Primes (which turned out false), part of the rumours was that Hasbro would be releasing Takara's Legends Blackarachnia and lots of fans were happy. So to see all this disdain for that same toy now seems odd.

william-james88 wrote:Just wanted to go back to the Blackarachnia discssion for a bit. The Legends/Generations one we got 2 years ago might not be perfect, but I really dont think its a bad choice to the point that we should concentrate on another toy of her rather than another character and this pic shows what I was thinking:



Looks the part enough in a generations line.

Plus I remember when there were 4 chan rumours of a Beast Wars subline in Power of the Primes (which turned out false), part of the rumours was that Hasbro would be releasing Takara's Legends Blackarachnia and lots of fans were happy. So to see all this disdain for that same toy now seems odd.

Fandoms are frequently fairly fickle

My apologies for going off topic, but I would love it if the next Masterpiece Beast Wars figure after Megatron was Blackarachnia. But it will probably be Rhinox.

Back on topic, that Blackarachnia from a couple of years ago is pretty decent.