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[Zeedust]

I liked Viper. A little let down by his somewhat odd arm articulation - and his gun mode wasn't good, but I won't hold that against him - but all in all a pretty decent figure. Also you can mistransform him into having a very long neck. Useful for giving yourself nightmares for a month if you're into that sort of thing

I don't think the gun mode is as bad as people say it is, but that may just be me.

Also, the "long neck" think means if you have both of them, they can look like they're doing Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots.



...Well, okay, sorta...

[TF-fan kev777]

Also, the "long neck" think means if you have both of them, they can look like they're doing Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots.



...Well, okay, sorta...

That
Is
AWESOME!!!!
(I am so going down to the basement and grabbing those 2 as soon as I hit submit)

[william-james88]

Anywho, toys! What's the best Legends class from this line in you guys' opinion? Excluding Shockwave, he wins by default.

I feel Blackjack is just as good as Shockwave if not better. I also really love the tampos on wreckgar.

I would have said Powerglide, but, maybe its just a flaw with mine, but the back part wont stay together in plane or gun mode. Viper doesn't have a problem, and I haven't taken my TT Dogfight out of its package yet, though I will eventually.

I think thats a fault on most Powerglides. Definitely mine. Also, congrats on getting Dogfight!!!!!!

[Powermaster Swag]

Hun-Gurr Retool?

I don't know if I'm just being silly, or if some people here have the same vision as I do, but I think that if HasTak put enough time and effort into it, they could retool some of the Combiner Wars molds into Pirahnacon, Abominus and Predaking. (Not even gonna mention Raiden, Liokaiser, Dinoking, Landcross, and Road Caesar, cause we would need brand new molds for those guys.) LIke I was goofing around with my Unite Warriors Silverbolt, and found that if his plane tail weren't in very way, you'd have a nice Hun-Gurr.

[o.supreme]

I think thats a fault on most Powerglides. Definitely mine. Also, congrats on getting Dogfight!!!!!!

That is sad, but good to know. Yes I was able to pick up the TAV Dogfight Vs. Runamuck set a while back. To my sons frustration however, if I was getting a "Legends" class ahead of its assigned Combiner I would leave it in the package. When I finally reacquired Grand Galvatron, I paired him up with Runamuck, but Dogfight has remained in package until I can complete my Optimus Maximus combiner. But for now all those toys are in storage as we are moving. When we find a new place, Dogfight will finally be set free

[RAR]

I was thinking about all the recent boxed sets that have just been announced (early June 2017) and I was also thinking about the orphan Red Optimus and Cyclonus and even the primary Scattershot "Betatron" release.

I have also noticed customs of CW Sideswipe recently.

So what I wonder is if they can release all this time later a new Primus toy then one day - will I get the things I'd really like to see such as CW Sideswipe (even if he is just based on Sunstreaker) Hoist, maybe WreckGar, a Dlx Hotrod, Silverstreak, various other Jet Decepticons maybe even Deftwing, Calcar, Makeshift or Slicer or other evil Wheeljack clones.

It just seems that with these random combiner torso going unloved there is some potential there.

I don't expect they are going to throw out there a DLX Bumblebee or Beachcomber that can combine or some sort of Hoist or Inferno - but the obvious ones like Hoist - are just kinda well "obvious".

I'd rather like a modest remould of Swindle/Hound as Beachcomber & Jagur though.

It's a shame that they would see it as practical to release more combiners but in unusual ways - such as a Voyager or "Ultra" two pack of Longhaul & Hook as a Devastator Torso and then do the others as traditional CW Dlx limbs. or the same for Leokaiser.

Hopefully CW is a spark that can be re-united if enough people campaign for the Seacons and Terrorcons to get made too.

[RAR]

P.s. (Change of subject so I'll be naughty and double post)

RE: The Seacons / Terrorcons..

It might be a good idea to make a bunch of new bodies but try to make them so they can be adapted to do double duty with some minor tweaks as both beast Combiners.

Ok perhaps it might be nice to not have both torsos the same - but there is sharks in both teams - and heck there is even potential for stand-alone Quintesson themed combinations too perhaps an Alicon and a Sharkticon - though other possible thing to make into limbs might be the failed prototypes that the Quninessons made that got loose. or even go nuts and make the purple Griffon.

But Ripper snapper and Jawbreaker/Overbite (even Overkill) don't need much remoulding to work as the same base mould.

Heck with some creative design there is even potential to get Dinobots out of the moulds too - But I think they have other plans for them.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'm still kinda irked at Hasbro for doing Sunstreaker, Prowl, and Wheeljack where they ought to have done Sideswipe, Jazz, and Windcharger...

Seacons and Terrorcons would be pretty cool. Not as cool as Predacons but still. I would say the Terrorcons would have priority, since they appeared in the cartoon, they have counterparts in Prime to generate interest, and their Autobot rivals the Technobots are already released and waiting for them

Am I the only one driven crazy by the fact that Blackjack's axe doesn't combine with Menasor's sword to give it a better hilt, despite looking like it should? I plan to kitbash it to fix that when I get him

[RAR]

I didn't mention them as it seems a fair few people would want the Predacons to be bigger and so either be a bunch of Voyagers or a Titan-combiner release (like Devastator).

I'd not mind them doing him as 4 Deluxes and a Voyager though as they'd likely be better toys if that was done that if they try to shoehorn them into some titan price point while also making them big toys. They be quite simplified then - like Devastator was.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I want a Titan Predaking. He needs to be huge, and he needs to be a monster

[Sarahthecutevixen]

For whomever may care, If you are on the fence about Combiner Wars Platinum Edition Liokaiser, as of this time, He is $98.02 on Amazon.com right now, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZA268R/ Around 32 dollars less than his advertised original price, with free shipping to prime members,

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Predaking's main draw was that all 5 were in the same price point (with Gnaw filling in the blank 6th spot in the case), so we should expect the same with an updated design. Hopefully without tiny torso or monkey arm syndrome

And I'm gonna wait for Liokaiser to be liquidated.

[Kurona]

I would much prefer Predaking to be a voyager and four deluxes. So much more playability that way.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I would much prefer Predaking to be a voyager and four deluxes. So much more playability that way.

This is how I imagine my Predaking

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I would much prefer Predaking to be a voyager and four deluxes. So much more playability that way.

Problem with that is his components are all supposed to be the same size; he's not a "Scramble City"-type. That said, I would prefer him to be in the same size/height range as the CW "Scramble City" types (would honestly like a Devastator made of Deluxes for the same reason but that will take scratchbuilding), but Deluxes would be too small... In Predaking's case they probably could pull it off with an all-Voyager team, since there's only 5 members, they're stocky in design, and there wouldn't be the separate pelvis and forearm pieces adding to the height. Plus if they were sold individually at retail the combiner kibble and weapons would keep each individual Predacon's size down a bit

Here's an idea that came to me as I looked over my just-arrived CW Motormaster: A Powermaster Armor trailer for CW Optimus Prime, to create a Powermaster Optimus that's more in scale with Classics/Generations figs. I doubt we'd ever get an official one.

[Kurona]

Eh, I don't particularly need them to be the same size. None of them really have any character worth noting anyway, and even if they do stand out for that in the original toys; in fiction every combiner team had the components be the same size. I'd rather have all the positives a 1-voyager 4-deluxe combiner would bring rather than such an extreme level of toy accuracy they give him the titan slot.

And if they were the same size, the proportions would be terrible without a huge amount of combiner kibble. There's just no good reason to make him a Titan.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

in fiction every combiner team had the components be the same size.

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What fiction were you looking at? Except when the artists and animators messed up (which happened most often to Silverbolt), the "Scramble City" teams were depicted with the leader/torso being distinctly taller just like with the toys.

I'd rather have all the positives a 1-voyager 4-deluxe combiner would bring rather than such an extreme level of toy accuracy they give him the titan slot.

And if they were the same size, the proportions would be terrible without a huge amount of combiner kibble. There's just no good reason to make him a Titan.

If they were all the same size, the proportions would be no different than the original Predaking toy.

And perhaps my phrasing was not as clear as it could have been. I was trying to sketch out how it might be workable to pull off making everyone the same size without making him Titan-class (which is way the heck too big; that comic panel is based on comparing the original toys with no accounting for the movie-onward scale bump or the components of every G1 combiner but Predaking being to a smaller robot mode scale in toy form than their fellows... Plus neither toy of Sky Lynx would be anywhere near adequate a rival); in other words, keeping Predaking basically Supreme class like the CW "Scramble City" combiners. Hence my bringing up making them individually-sold Voyagers. Yes, the Constructicons that make up the Titan-class Devastator are Voyagers.. but they push and I think in some cases exceed the mass/weight limit for retail Voyagers even without the combiner kibble, plus there's six of them. With the Predacons, you'd have only 5, and as individually-sold retail Voyagers some of the mass would go to weapons and combiner kibble and Divebomb's wings. That's another thing - if Predaking was done as 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager then unless he was a pricepoint-cheating giftset the wings on his back would end up being really stubby.

[RiddlerJ]

in fiction every combiner team had the components be the same size.

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http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/1/1b/Stunticons.jpg
What fiction were you looking at? Except when the artists and animators messed up (which happened most often to Silverbolt), the "Scramble City" teams were depicted with the leader/torso being distinctly taller just like with the toys.

I'd rather have all the positives a 1-voyager 4-deluxe combiner would bring rather than such an extreme level of toy accuracy they give him the titan slot.

And if they were the same size, the proportions would be terrible without a huge amount of combiner kibble. There's just no good reason to make him a Titan.

If they were all the same size, the proportions would be no different than the original Predaking toy.

And perhaps my phrasing was not as clear as it could have been. I was trying to sketch out how it might be workable to pull off making everyone the same size without making him Titan-class (which is way the heck too big; that comic panel is based on comparing the original toys with no accounting for the movie-onward scale bump or the components of every G1 combiner but Predaking being to a smaller robot mode scale in toy form than their fellows... Plus neither toy of Sky Lynx would be anywhere near adequate a rival); in other words, keeping Predaking basically Supreme class like the CW "Scramble City" combiners. Hence my bringing up making them individually-sold Voyagers. Yes, the Constructicons that make up the Titan-class Devastator are Voyagers.. but they push and I think in some cases exceed the mass/weight limit for retail Voyagers even without the combiner kibble, plus there's six of them. With the Predacons, you'd have only 5, and as individually-sold retail Voyagers some of the mass would go to weapons and combiner kibble and Divebomb's wings. That's another thing - if Predaking was done as 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager then unless he was a pricepoint-cheating giftset the wings on his back would end up being really stubby.

I would think Hasbro would be wary of putting out 5 similar voyagers (same colors, all animals). I think that's why the Dinobots still have yet to get new figures and the Constucticons had to be released as one Titan figure.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a Titan class Predaking. Like you said, since he's only five figures the budget can go into better articulation and weapons than The Constructions had.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

Such an athletic look to him

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

in fiction every combiner team had the components be the same size.

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/f/f ... rstAid.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/e/e ... igade2.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/5/5 ... erbolt.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/1/1b/Stunticons.jpg
What fiction were you looking at? Except when the artists and animators messed up (which happened most often to Silverbolt), the "Scramble City" teams were depicted with the leader/torso being distinctly taller just like with the toys.

I'd rather have all the positives a 1-voyager 4-deluxe combiner would bring rather than such an extreme level of toy accuracy they give him the titan slot.

And if they were the same size, the proportions would be terrible without a huge amount of combiner kibble. There's just no good reason to make him a Titan.

If they were all the same size, the proportions would be no different than the original Predaking toy.

And perhaps my phrasing was not as clear as it could have been. I was trying to sketch out how it might be workable to pull off making everyone the same size without making him Titan-class (which is way the heck too big; that comic panel is based on comparing the original toys with no accounting for the movie-onward scale bump or the components of every G1 combiner but Predaking being to a smaller robot mode scale in toy form than their fellows... Plus neither toy of Sky Lynx would be anywhere near adequate a rival); in other words, keeping Predaking basically Supreme class like the CW "Scramble City" combiners. Hence my bringing up making them individually-sold Voyagers. Yes, the Constructicons that make up the Titan-class Devastator are Voyagers.. but they push and I think in some cases exceed the mass/weight limit for retail Voyagers even without the combiner kibble, plus there's six of them. With the Predacons, you'd have only 5, and as individually-sold retail Voyagers some of the mass would go to weapons and combiner kibble and Divebomb's wings. That's another thing - if Predaking was done as 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager then unless he was a pricepoint-cheating giftset the wings on his back would end up being really stubby.

I would think Hasbro would be wary of putting out 5 similar voyagers (same colors, all animals). I think that's why the Dinobots still have yet to get new figures and the Constucticons had to be released as one Titan figure.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a Titan class Predaking. Like you said, since he's only five figures the budget can go into better articulation and weapons than The Constructions had.

No. Making him out-and-out Titan Class (instead of five more mass-limited retail Voyagers) would end up way too big - he should be the same size as the main Combiner Wars combiners, so that he can fight his Autobot rivals among them as well as the original Sky Lynx toy (it kinda bugs me that CW Devy is too big for that because Titan-class, but at least there's some purpose to his being that huge since he was the combiner most often faced by regular-size Autobots on the ground). Besides that, the next Titan-class Decepticon slot should be reserved for Scorponok to round out the Citybots and finally give us a transforming Scorponok who actually stands head-height with Fort Max.

I suppose the other way to handle Predaking would be to make Razorclaw Voyager but engineered to reduce his height when not a torso and maybe squeeze in weapons that were wing extensions for Divebomb.

[Kurona]

Or we could just have Razorclaw be a Voyager and the other Predacons be Deluxe...

[o.supreme]

the next Titan-class Decepticon slot should be reserved for Scorponok to round out the Citybots and finally give us a transforming Scorponok who actually stands head-height with Fort Max.

Which probably wont happen, TR Trypticon is several inches shorter than Metroplex/Fort Max, Scorponok will sadly probably suffer the same.

[Kurona]

the next Titan-class Decepticon slot should be reserved for Scorponok to round out the Citybots and finally give us a transforming Scorponok who actually stands head-height with Fort Max.

Which probably wont happen, TR Trypticon is several inches shorter than Metroplex/Fort Max, Scorponok will sadly probably suffer the same.

Trypticon is the height he is due to distribution of mass. As Scorponok is humanoid instead of, well, an outdated-science t-rex, he should easily have the mass available to make him the same height or at least the same ballpark as Fortress Maximus. Heck, they probably would want to make him that tall just to use the whole "Biggest Decepticon ever!" advertisement again.

[o.supreme]

^ Not sure about that. We all know how much Hasbro loves to reuse existing molds, there's a lot of fan speculation that Scorponok will be an extensive retool of Trypticon. Normally I put zero validity in rumors, but this one seems somewhat convincing. How could they be planning Scorponok so quickly if it was a completely brand-new mold? When it comes to size, we know Hasbro doesn't seems to care. They did *biggest ever* Transformer Once, now *biggest Decepticon Ever*, no need to do it again.

As for the Predaking discussion, yes having him the same size/scale as all the other Combiner wars (A Voyager Torso and 4 Deluxe limbs) would be ideal. I still wish TT would have scaled down Devastator to be 6 Deluxes, would have been awesome and scaled well with the others.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Yeah, a six-Deluxes Devy would be nice.

It would have to be one hell of a retool to make Scorponok out of Trytpicon, because that doesn't make much sense as a conversion (Scorpy is humanoid in robot mode, Trypticon is an outdated-kangaroo-stance T. Rex). It'd make much more sense to differently-retool the already-humanoid Metroplex. if you were going to make a retool. About the only thing it would make sense to retool from Trypticon is the tail. But he could be a new mold. And Omega Supreme (who, according to rumor, might be made first) would have to be a new mold.

There are some things I'd like to see that would take little or no new parts (depending on the thing) as far as combiners go, though one is sadly unlikely:
Color-corrected G2 Menasor (Nice job blowing it by referencing a fan digibash based on someone's homemade G2 Menasor, Hasbro! And by making Motormaster mainly purple instead of mainly blue, which is what you should have gone with for the same reason you made the original CW Motormaster mainly gray)
Sideswipe retool of Breakdown
Jazz retool of Dead End
Windcharger retool of either Dead End or Breakdown