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cloudballoon wrote:I wonder about the real effects of the 1st trailer for "fans" vs. the non-fans though. I'd bet the people that most vehemently against the 1st trailer are those "fans" that only care for a TF media presented to them "their way" and just plain refuse to try and/or support anything too different from what they hope for.
The non-fans proabably just care whether trailer(s) show them if there's enough appeal for kids but got enough plot for the adults to also have a good time. And on that, I think the 1st trailer was... fine? At least that's what I think why the 1st trailer is too saturated wiht jokes.
I have friends who are non-fans that have dismissed the movie entirely based on the first trailer, saying it looked like it was too much "Marvel humor" for them. The movie itself isn't very bad, but I remember having the same impression of the first trailer.
I think the trailer probably did more damage for non-fans than it did for fans. Fans are invested in the property and may see the movie despite the trailer, but if non-fans don't like the trailer that can kill any and all interest in the movie.
Glyph wrote:Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take...
If you get them on Aliexpress they're much cheaper, especially if you get several boxes at once. Anywhere from $11-15 per box, usually. I don't think this set is up there yet? Might be and I just don't see it from a quick scan over the "Kayou Transformers" results page. They have a lot of product now - RotB set, 3 pan-generational sets (mostly G1), various promo things, and now TF One product.
Edit: I think I found the TF One boxes here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html Roughly $15 per box if you buy the thing of 4 boxes. Only 50 cards per box in these though, blegh. Not sure what the significance of the different characters on the box is.
50 cards per $15 box is not many cards? I remember card packs being more expensive growing up.
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We have more images of the Transformers One cards. Turns out these are Chinese physical cards, some with holographic effect. While the Primes were the biggest news, since they were not clearly depicted in the film, it is nice to see other chars like Brawn, Sunstreaker and Ironhide. These characters have cogged and non cogged versions. There are a lot more cards than the ones shown below, as we can see from their indicated numbers. Hopefully the rest of the Primes subset will be found and shared.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Who wants to see IGN's terrible review of the movie get completely torn to shreds?
(Language warning, btw. So many f-bombs)
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:You do know that you can post all of the pics in a single post if you embed them rather than attach them, right?
You mean hotlink to them? I don't see any other embed option - is that a user group thing? I attached rather than hotlink in case they disappear or change, so we have the images saved.
Just found Alpha Trion, Solus & Onyx Prime designs interesting enough to get theirStudio Series toys if they do come (or Yolopark AMK). I really wish, the future Autobots & Deceptions designs being mostly 'meh' but shiny, they did the reverse Star Wars prequels in deisgn ideology. In the SW prequels everything were nice & shiny, but SW IV-IX things got all grimy with exposed pipes, panels, etc. Wish the Primes had Aplha Trion's aesthetic.
I've collected the trading card pics into a separate thread, grouped by set for easier reference. It's a mix of onsite & offsite links atm - Mods, if you want to copy images to seibertron, I'll update the ones that still point to imgur.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
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The designs of the Primes in this movie are my favorites. I liked seeing how they don't feel as been-there-done-that as with almost every other robot in this film. I do hope we see them have larger roles like with Alpha Trion, like maybe Megatronus could be in conflict with Megatron for doing bad things while not liking Sentinel Prime either, or Quintus Prime helping Optimus find a way to destroy the Quintessons once and for all (if he did make them in this universe, that is)...assuming people would go out and financially support the movie instead of being stuck on social media rinse and repeating the same things in the fandom.
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G1 Deadend, Wildrider, Breakdown w/Menasor fists, feet, waist, chest, mask, and weapons Nightmare Megatron with upgrade parts Cybertron Galvatron Hunter Shockwave ROTF Mindwipe, Lockdown Dr Wu Little Monster (ROTF Wheelie) Unique Toys Dumb and Dumber (MPM Twins) Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron All HasLabs (except Omega Prime)
“it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars”
Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
hausjam wrote:Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
hausjam wrote:God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
A++ self awareness!
Besides, the quote was a statement of fact: the Bayverse films were broadly panned, and TF:One has had great reception from viewers & critics alike. Doesn't mean you're wrong to like the Bayverse films, if that's your thing. But it's a shame that TF:One is doing relatively poorly given how much the people who have seen it appear to like it.
Still waiting for it to open here on the 11th...
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Motto:"You know what they say: all toasters toast toast!"
Weapon: Light-Saber Sword
hausjam wrote:“it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars”
Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
Action Figure Wishlist:
G1 Deadend, Wildrider, Breakdown w/Menasor fists, feet, waist, chest, mask, and weapons Nightmare Megatron with upgrade parts Cybertron Galvatron Hunter Shockwave ROTF Mindwipe, Lockdown Dr Wu Little Monster (ROTF Wheelie) Unique Toys Dumb and Dumber (MPM Twins) Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron All HasLabs (except Omega Prime)
hausjam wrote:Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
hausjam wrote:God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
A++ self awareness!
Besides, the quote was a statement of fact: the Bayverse films were broadly panned, and TF:One has had great reception from viewers & critics alike. Doesn't mean you're wrong to like the Bayverse films, if that's your thing. But it's a shame that TF:One is doing relatively poorly given how much the people who have seen it appear to like it.
Still waiting for it to open here on the 11th...
How does that work though?
TF1 is a movie that "everyone love" but no one get to see it.
Most if not all Bay movies (at least the first 5) were "hated by everyone," but everyone went to see them.
Only the Bee and ROTB movies were "fairly balanced" with love, hate, and attendance.
I think the main factor is care/apathy. Everyone cared about the Bay movies. As for TF1, "no one" seems to care. It is unfortunate. Especially for a movie that is pure, timeless, and devoid of any "troll drama".
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TF1 is a movie that "everyone love" but no one get to see it.
Most if not all Bay movies (at least the first 5) were "hated by everyone," but everyone went to see them.
Only the Bee and ROTB movies were "fairly balanced" with love, hate, and attendance.
Because audience reviews come from the people who've already seen it, generally? "Not many people saw it, but the ones who did all loved it" is a valid sentence. I don't believe that critic reviews really tend to move the needle all that much among the general public, certainly not as much as word of mouth - but word of mouth requires enough people to have seen it in the first place to tell their friends...
The Bay movies, by contrast, get a lot of flack for being "not very good" as movies, but still got major audiences by being big tentpole summer action movies. Cinema history since the 80s is pretty littered with brilliant flops and also "dumb popcorn action flicks" that still pull in big casual summer audiences! (Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe their US box office actually diminished as the series went on, but they made massively more money overseas, particularly in China)
I have no doubt that TF:One will be a "better" film than most of the Bayverse by most judgements, but it's also undeniably failed to connect with a big audience so far, and I suspect The Wild Robot will probably kill it dead in domestic box office. That probably has more to do with things like the marketing (I really don't think the initial trailer made a great first impression for general audiences, and you famously don't get a second chance at that), choice of release date (remember, all the other movies except BB came out in June/July and TF:One was supposed to come out in July but was delayed) and the staggered international opening, than it does with reviews or adjudged quality.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
I made a montage to show the critics VS the money. Appart the 2007 movie and the ROTB movie, the audience and "pro" critics are fairly the same. (Bee is MIA)
What's impressive is that TF-One is a "perfect" movie, yet it is the poorest so far money-wise.
So I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all. I think what killed the interest in TF1 is the first trailer that made it too "kiddy" and the overall designs of the movie. If the first trailer would have had a nice balance between jokes and bad-ass moments, it would have made a big difference. But honestly, it is the overall design that didn't sit well. The faces are a bit too "human" (uncanny effect) and the overall look is too "cartoony." If the design would have been exactly like the intro sequence of the Bee movie, that would have changed everything.
Let's not forget that the Bay movies will soon be VINTAGE and a whole generation grew with the Bay designs. These designs are nostalgic for a huge portion of the fanbase. This doesn't make me any younger...
(Click the picture for a better view.)
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-Kanrabat- wrote:ISo I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think there are two other factors to consider: Animation and the franchise
Animation: Unfortunately, a lot of people in the U.S. don’t respect animation as a medium and view animated movies as “kids movies.” While I think the Spider-Verse films have been huge for the public perception of animation, it’s still something a lot of people look down on.
The franchise: Againx unfortunately, most people know of the franchise because of the movies. So when most people see that a Transformers movie is coming out, they don’t think about G1, Animated, or Prime Transformers, they think about the Michael Bay movies. Which makes this movie kind of doomed for failure. The people who don’t like the Bat movies won’t go see it because they think it’ll be like the Bag movies, and the people who do like the Bay movies may not go see it because it’s very different from the Bay movies.
-Kanrabat- wrote:ISo I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think there are two other factors to consider: Animation and the franchise
Animation: Unfortunately, a lot of people in the U.S. don’t respect animation as a medium and view animated movies as “kids movies.” While I think the Spider-Verse films have been huge for the public perception of animation, it’s still something a lot of people look down on.
The franchise: Againx unfortunately, most people know of the franchise because of the movies. So when most people see that a Transformers movie is coming out, they don’t think about G1, Animated, or Prime Transformers, they think about the Michael Bay movies. Which makes this movie kind of doomed for failure. The people who don’t like the Bat movies won’t go see it because they think it’ll be like the Bag movies, and the people who do like the Bay movies may not go see it because it’s very different from the Bay movies.
You're right on both accounts. Still, this all factor in the overall interest. That's why I think that indeed, the fact that TF1 is too "cartoony" without the Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks name, it was detrimental. If the CGI would have been Bay-Bee "realistic," the movie would have had much more success.
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It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
While it was expected that the Wild Robot would get first place this weekend, it lays the smackdown on Transformers One’s candy ass by opening 10 million dollars higher that the later did. Which means that the reason Transformers One did less truly comes down to the brand. Parents chose to bring their kids to the Wild Robot and not Transformers, plain and simple. As bad as Transformers did last week, it did even worse this week, dropping over 60%.
The global numbers are not better. It opened in China to 8 million, which is a far cry to previous Transformers films. When looking at the week-end charts worldwide, the film ends up 4th behind The Wild Robot, Devara Part 1 and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. In total internationally, the film has only made 32 million across 61 countries. Added to the domestic numbers, the film has made 72 million globally. It needs to make approximately 190 million to break even, using industry standards. Even if it makes that, it will be the worst performing Transformers film by a country mile, making even less than half what Rise of the Beasts made.
The Wild Robot didn't just beat it in terms of box office debut but also in terms of critical reception. While both films have a 98% user rating, when it comes to critics, 98% recommend the Wild Robot while 88% recommend Transformers One.
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william-james88 wrote:It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
While the domestic numbers are far from ideal, it's worth noting that this does not spell financial doom for the movie.
The movie has yet to open in many international markets, which can make up a big portion of its box office success.
Of course, with this being a relatively cheap movie to make, it has already nearly made back its budget, which is good news.
william-james88 wrote:It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
The Wild Robot I expected, but behind the fourth week of Beetlejuice?! Damn, this movie had a major marketing fail. Even if the movie itself was lacklustre, you'd think the franchise marketing could push it better than that in its initial week - for all the money spent on spots and the like, it doesn't seem to have made much impression on the general public. Pretty sure the September release did it no favours either (though that was more about the planned July release date being unrealistic to start with, as I understand it).
I hear it's opened in the top spot in China this weekend... on the slowest weekend of the year to date.
Still nearly two weeks before I can go see it at a cinema...
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:I've collected the trading card pics into a separate thread, grouped by set for easier reference. It's a mix of onsite & offsite links atm - Mods, if you want to copy images to seibertron, I'll update the ones that still point to imgur.
Thanks, and yeah I'll move the discussion over to the new thread. No gallery options though.
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