The Energon Pub

Why does Starscream have to have a different color scheme then what he's always been?? Optimus has been pretty much the correct colors, but why is Megatron purple or blue?? What's with "Animated" starscream's Thundercracker look??

Most of the autobots get their traditional coloring.. why can't the Decepticons?? Cybertron and Armada, a green Megatron??

Ok, here's another one... what's the deal with just having one seeker lately...??? How can Starscream be an air commander, with no one to command in the air?? I personally feel Skywarp and Thundercracker play valueable roles, and there should be more focus on that, then just rereleasing toys that are repaints of Starscream, bring those seekers back into the cartoon.. and not as some hill-billie baffoon like Thundercracker was in Cybertron!!! Thunder-CRACKER is right...sheesh!! So is it just a repaint you can do without, or are those guys important and need TV time? maybe a little seeker hangout and bitch time like in G-1??

I always felt like it was me and my brothers, i have 2, they would play seeker squadron with me!! When i was like 11 Yrs old..it was cool, we'd invade my then prestine, GI-Joe base and look for usable steele for Megatron's canon... his extensions for the scope!! those were the days... so why no Skywarp or Thundercracker in the new Animated series, with better faces???

It's safe to say that with Hasbro's track record at least one of the other 2 will be a straight repaint of Starscream whether or not he's in the series or not. Most likely he'll either be short packed, an exclusive to a store, or both. The third Seeker? Well naturally he'll be another straight repaint of Starscream, but this time he'll be in next year's $200-$300 Botcon exclusive boxed set.

Starscream has sported various colors in the past (including all black in BW2 and MW) and it's okay that way. Same with Megatron. Can't always be black and silver. I wouldn't mind a non red-blue Prime as long at the headsculpt is recognizable.

Goribus wrote:It's safe to say that with Hasbro's track record at least one of the other 2 will be a straight repaint of Starscream whether or not he's in the series or not. Most likely he'll either be short packed, an exclusive to a store, or both. The third Seeker? Well naturally he'll be another straight repaint of Starscream, but this time he'll be in next year's $200-$300 Botcon exclusive boxed set.

yeah but that sucks!! Ok so they did a repaint of Starscream from Armada, which really wasn't a repaint it was just Starscream's supermode, which was just an import from japan, they turned around and called him Thundercracker.. then they remolded the design a bit and made Skywarp, which was nice, and IDW made a good story for him.. but no Animated version in sight.... Energon had a repaint.. and so did Cybertron, of the weakling Thundercracker.. Starscream get's all the glory!! that's kinda messed up, he's a squadron leader, so what if the designs of the other seekers are the same, they are still characters with their own querks, and it was those interactions and querks that really made me become a fan of Skywarp... I feel like those other seekers have never been a priority.. I guess only one bot in one mode allowed... seems kinda wrong for some reason...

and as far as the exclusives go.. yeah I still won't buy a classics toy because of Botcon-07 and the madness behind the seekers...and those sets..that convention will forever live in infamy with me...

Because it isn't G1 maybe?

megatroptimus wrote:Starscream has sported various colors in the past (including all black in BW2 and MW) and it's okay that way. Same with Megatron. Can't always be black and silver. I wouldn't mind a non red-blue Prime as long at the headsculpt is recognizable.

I don't think i could be down with a pink, green or puce prime, no matter how cool he looked.. Red and Blue for me, just like the original Starscream coloring is for me...

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

Yeah, what if the first ever series only featured one seeker and that a later series gave us a whole squadron of repaints? People would be like WTF, one seeker's enough.

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

cybertron wasn't G-1, and Prime had his correct colors, what about armada? What about Energon? Robots in disguise prime had mostly red, but he also had shades of blue in other areas, so the "it isn't G-1" thing, doesn't hold well with me..

and yeah, i know it's not G-1, the title of the cartoon says "Animated" I'm daft but not stupid...

megatroptimus wrote:

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

Yeah, what if the first ever series only featured one seeker and that a later series gave us a whole squadron of repaints? People would be like WTF, one seeker's enough.

ok, but they didn't and even still in the Tech spec and Bio, Starscream is listed as Air commander, and in charge of the seekers.. well, you need seekers to be an air commander, or is it just that he''s in command of air...nothing....???

Well you're mostly wrong about alot of what you're talking about. If you look at the G1 Toyline and comic book there's no such thing as a single paint or color scheme for G1 Starscream. Most people feel his classic color scheme is of the original toy and cartoon. That's fine.

G2 Starscream was salmon pink and an uglish shade of blue. His comic book counterpart....wasn't.*shrugs*

Armada Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp were always intended to be seperate charecters as toys in America.Also at no point is Armada Starscream "his right color" as you claim he is in every series. He's red and black. They just shoehorned the Powerlinx colors into the anime rather badly.

Energon Starscream wasn't even Starscream. He's an entirely seperate charecter named Nightscream. And both the charecter's and toy's original colorings were green and grey. The "G1 colors" repaint was an after thought and worked into the cartoon as an "upgrade".

And Cybertron Starscream again did not have "his right colors". My only gripe with this series is that while I can stand to have the Seekers as seperate molds, I hate the size difference in their toys.

I think that since Starscream has not only changed color scheme in every version of the toy ever made, but also in every series ever made, we just have to accept and deal with the fact that he's not always going to look G1. And this is coming from a mostly Gee Wunner.

Goribus wrote:Well you're mostly wrong about alot of what you're talking about. If you look at the G1 Toyline and comic book there's no such thing as a single paint or color scheme for G1 Starscream. Most people feel his classic color scheme is of the original toy and cartoon. That's fine.

G2 Starscream was salmon pink and an uglish shade of blue. His comic book counterpart....wasn't.*shrugs*

Armada Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp were always intended to be seperate charecters as toys in America.Also at no point is Armada Starscream "his right color" as you claim he is in every series. He's red and black. They just shoehorned the Powerlinx colors into the anime rather badly.

Energon Starscream wasn't even Starscream. He's an entirely seperate charecter named Nightscream. And both the charecter's and toy's original colorings were green and grey. The "G1 colors" repaint was an after thought and worked into the cartoon as an "upgrade".

And Cybertron Starscream again did not have "his right colors". My only gripe with this series is that while I can stand to have the Seekers as seperate molds, I hate the size difference in their toys.

I think that since Starscream has not only changed color scheme in every version of the toy ever made, but also in every series ever made, we just have to accept and deal with the fact that he's not always going to look G1. And this is coming from a mostly Gee Wunner.

Ok, well, it still is crap!!! He should be recognizable in one color scheme, like Optimus does, or bumblebee does....ect.. ect.. and for the record, megatron is Silver, Black and red, which is an awesome color scheme, all other megatron colors are wierdlooking.. and that's coming from a Geewunner!! Starscream's basic coloring has been greyish, with reds, and lighter blues.. and yeah Armada was off... but he wasn't blue with hints of reds, and black, like the animated one.. which is almost as close as Thundercracker's colors.. that's my whole point.. thundercracker and skywarp get left out of the mix, adn Starscream get's their colors and glory!! what a freakin jip!!!

If you look at it, Starscream's real color is "red". And that really means "SOME red".

I can kinda gte your point, but nothing is going to be 100% consistant through all the TF lines. Even Hot Rod, with his striking yellow flames, has been all yellow in Armada. And Prime looked nothing like himself in Beast Machines. To me, it's good enough that we have G1 inspired looks as often as we do.

I'll lump Megatron in that too. I mean, I prefer G1 Megatron's color sheme, but his charcter has evolved so much over the years that I don't think there's any real "dfeinitive" parts to Megatron anymore. Well, I got G1 and Masterpeice Megs, that's enough for me.

There's a reason Optimus Prime is traditionally red.

Because he's iconic.

People will disagree but talk to a non-fan and they'll recognise Prime more than they would Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, or any other TF in fact. The only other one that comes even close is Bumblebee.

Everybody else has undergone some form of change.

You seem to be trying to compared Animated Starscream's colours to G1 Starscream's colours, when as others have pointed out, Starscream has had various colour schemes through his different incarnations.

Is Starscream an "Air Commander" in animated? Again, that's a title he's only had since G1.

I stand by what I said, Animated isn't G1. The majority of characters have undergone colour changes over the years, and that's because kid's tastes in colours change. What appealed to the G1 generation doesn't necessarily appeal to today's kids.

skywarp-2 wrote:Ok, here's another one... what's the deal with just having one seeker lately...??? How can Starscream be an air commander, with no one to command in the air?? I personally feel Skywarp and Thundercracker play valueable roles, and there should be more focus on that, then just rereleasing toys that are repaints of Starscream, bring those seekers back into the cartoon.. and not as some hill-billie baffoon like Thundercracker was in Cybertron!!! Thunder-CRACKER is right...sheesh!! So is it just a repaint you can do without, or are those guys important and need TV time? maybe a little seeker hangout and bitch time like in G-1??

I personally also want to know why there has only been one Seeker in many of the Transformers shows. (I'm know about poor poor Thundercracker from Cybertron. What did they do to him?! My heart still weeps.) I miss them. Personally, I don't mind them being repaints of Starscream. I'll still collect every single one and make me a whole Wing of Seekers. Hmmm. Maybe hang them from the ceiling in formation.... That would be cool!

The nonsense flying around about how this is or isn't G1 aside. I would love to see them reunite the old team in a new series.

Not only is it nostalgic but I'm sure nobody can dispute the immense popularity that the Seekers enjoy these days. Putting that kind of formula into a new series seems like a basic step. While of course it's not good to overdo it, has been a few decades.

From the toy point of view, having the three of them in the cartoon is a sure fire way to have kids buying up three of the same mold. Take it from someone who loved Starscream as a kid, and just had to have Skywarp and Thundercracker as well, because they all looked so good together.

That being said they don't even have to give them the personalities we're familiar with. They can easily be upgraded or rewritten for a new narrative. It's the look that's important, and keeping them together as a team that's important as well. I can't express how disappointed I used to get when Starscream started flying around with the Coneheads instead of Skywarp and Thundercracker, lousy traitor.

Anyhow, few random ideas from the back of my skull. Here's a little narrative that I think may be pretty interesting.

Say Starscream for his fans' sake remains Air Commander, he may not be the most experienced but he oozes talent and wants to get himself up the chain of command as fast as possible. Thundercracker the more experienced yet laid back veteran of the Decepticon forces isn't really interested in advancing in rank, just makes it his duty to hold the team together when Starscream is off on one of his self glorification missions at the expense of everyone else. Not too sure what I'd do with Skywarp however, perhaps make him new and inexperienced, not really sure how to handle his abilities looks up to Starscream's phenomenal talent and wishes he could be just like him. But he could be repulsed by Starscream's self serving attitude and looks to Thundercracker for advice when Starscream is too pompous to give him the time of day, thus keeping their bond like the original duo intact.

Ah, I love topics like this. Gets the old brain working.

G1, Screamer was gray/silver with red and blue.

G2 don't even know dun care.

BW Waspinator for 1 episode so he counts..kinda =\

RiD dunno if he was in RiD or not, never saw that show.

Armada, he was protrayed as a somewhat drone I believe with white and red. Had no ambition to dethrone Megs

Energon, a totally new Screamer who was basically a ghost like from a couple G1 episodes but was black with a blue like color ligiments and energon "battle" markings

Cybertron, mostly silver/gray and red, and becomes the size of Cybertron through the power of the Dragonballs or something.

Animated, hard to tell until the show is actually out and we can debate.


And for the Seekers, why not release em all as exact repaints as screamer aslong as he isnt Supreme/Leader/ class sized.

Just my views.

He was anything but a drone in Armada. He was very much his own bot who had a lot of honour. He was primarily red but the colour scheme was a bit of a nod to G1 Starscream.

Energon was where he was a controlled slave of Megatron and his colours were more dark green with translucent parts. They did do a G1 esque redeco for him later in the line.

And then Cybertron came along where again his colours were some what similar to his G1 self.

Burn wrote:He was anything but a drone in Armada. He was very much his own bot who had a lot of honour. He was primarily red but the colour scheme was a bit of a nod to G1 Starscream.

Energon was where he was a controlled slave of Megatron and his colours were more dark green with translucent parts. They did do a G1 esque redeco for him later in the line.

And then Cybertron came along where again his colours were some what similar to his G1 self.

well my thing is, keep him in the greys, blues, and reds.. he's more recognizable that way.. hell people were complaining about Masterpiece for forever!! so why not give him his regular colors.. why do they have to change him along with every decepticon in coloring, and make them their new thing.. everyone wants to do their take on Megatron or Starscream, like everyone wants to design Ironman a new suit of armor.. it's kinda rediculous!! Prime stays his main colors.. bumblebee.. why not the rest!!

And as for the seekers, they should really be in the dshow and not just repaints, though if they did repaits of TFA SS then I'd buy them, if I decide to support the show...I'm just tired of not seeing my boy or thundercracker given the proper respect in the cartoons and just getting a repaint or a toy..and or a toy of a lesser design, like Cybertron Skywarp and thundercracker!! what a jip!!

skywarp-2 wrote:

Burn wrote:He was anything but a drone in Armada. He was very much his own bot who had a lot of honour. He was primarily red but the colour scheme was a bit of a nod to G1 Starscream.

Energon was where he was a controlled slave of Megatron and his colours were more dark green with translucent parts. They did do a G1 esque redeco for him later in the line.

And then Cybertron came along where again his colours were some what similar to his G1 self.

well my thing is, keep him in the greys, blues, and reds.. he's more recognizable that way.. hell people were complaining about Masterpiece for forever!! so why not give him his regular colors.. why do they have to change him along with every decepticon in coloring, and make them their new thing.. everyone wants to do their take on Megatron or Starscream, like everyone wants to design Ironman a new suit of armor.. it's kinda rediculous!! Prime stays his main colors.. bumblebee.. why not the rest!!

And as for the seekers, they should really be in the dshow and not just repaints, though if they did repaits of TFA SS then I'd buy them, if I decide to support the show...I'm just tired of not seeing my boy or thundercracker given the proper respect in the cartoons and just getting a repaint or a toy..and or a toy of a lesser design, like Cybertron Skywarp and thundercracker!! what a jip!!

What..you didn't like Thundercracka or Redneckwarp? Thundercracka had boomstick shooting action while Redneckwarp had chewing tabacco spitting action ;\

I agree, they took Thundercracker, gave him his colors but gave him a hillbillie voice and the rank waspinator had..getting slagged alot.

Skywarp wasnt even in the show..

megatroptimus wrote:

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

Yeah, what if the first ever series only featured one seeker and that a later series gave us a whole squadron of repaints? People would be like WTF, one seeker's enough.

Right, we have come to expect certain things from the TF universes and most of it seems to be because of G1. A new series or toy line that includes Starscream will almost always have a Thundercracker and/or Skywarp eventually. If only Skywarp were from G1, there may not always 'have' to be the others.

Dagon wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

Yeah, what if the first ever series only featured one seeker and that a later series gave us a whole squadron of repaints? People would be like WTF, one seeker's enough.

Right, we have come to expect certain things from the TF universes and most of it seems to be because of G1. A new series or toy line that includes Starscream will almost always have a Thundercracker and/or Skywarp eventually. If only Skywarp were from G1, there may not always 'have' to be the others.

SKywarp is from G1 though..o.O;

Kanyon wrote:

Dagon wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:

Burn wrote:Because it isn't G1 maybe?

Yeah, what if the first ever series only featured one seeker and that a later series gave us a whole squadron of repaints? People would be like WTF, one seeker's enough.

Right, we have come to expect certain things from the TF universes and most of it seems to be because of G1. A new series or toy line that includes Starscream will almost always have a Thundercracker and/or Skywarp eventually. If only Skywarp were from G1, there may not always 'have' to be the others.

SKywarp is from G1 though..o.O;

I know, but like megatroptimus said, if there was only one Seeker in the G1 universe, like, for example, Skywarp, would we expect that we'd get three seeker figures for pretty much every line? We get three seekers --Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp-- becuase all three of them were in G1, and like it or not, G1 being the first series sets precedents that other series or comics or toy lines will end up following or taking cues from. So, if Skywarp were the only G1 seeker, would we be getting Thundercracker and Starscream figures for as many toy lines as we have gotten?

skywarp-2 wrote:ok, but they didn't and even still in the Tech spec and Bio, Starscream is listed as Air commander, and in charge of the seekers.. well, you need seekers to be an air commander, or is it just that he''s in command of air...nothing....???

lmao @ he's in command of air.

Hasbro unveils wave 4 of whatever series ... it consists of a bunch of repainted figures.

Fandom - "BOO!! Hasbro are lazy! Down with repaints!"

Hasbro unveils wave 4.5 of whatever series ... it consists of Starscream repainted into Thundercracker and Skywarp colours

Fandom - "HOORAY!! Hasbro rock! Repaints rule!!"

Burn wrote:Hasbro unveils wave 4 of whatever series ... it consists of a bunch of repainted figures.

Fandom - "BOO!! Hasbro are lazy! Down with repaints!"

Hasbro unveils wave 4.5 of whatever series ... it consists of Starscream repainted into Thundercracker and Skywarp colours

Fandom - "HOORAY!! Hasbro rock! Repaints rule!!"

In my defense...repaints bring simple joy to my heart.

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