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megatroptimus wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:
You're so angry...

Have you considered The Dark Side?

It doesn't pay much, but the benefits package is simply to die for.

Troll.

Where do you get off calling anybody else a Troll????????Your the one that has not only implyed that I'm a crook but you also I'm implyed that I'm dishonest, claiming that I must have see the price some where before I entered the store.Asuming I was privy to the same infomation as youself only show's you ignorance.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:I never bought anything from Hasbro Toy Shop; actually, they won't let me since I'm Canadian. But I still found the info in less than 10 seconds.

That said, I'm done for today. Enjoy your Bumblebee, it's an awesome figure.

Good for you that you can aford it and you looked it up!!!Me I dont make it a habit to look for things online that I have almost no hope of buying!!It only makes me depressed!!!!!!!!

You deserved the BB and you did nothing wrong. You pay what they ask for it. You didn't cheat them. Enjoy your figure.

Thank you sweety!!!!!

You're welcome love.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Where do you get off calling anybody else a Troll????????Your the one that has not only implyed that I'm a crook but you also I'm implyed that I'm dishonest, claiming that I must have see the price some where before I entered the store.Asuming I was privy to the same infomation as youself only show's you ignorance.

I wasn't the first one to call you dishonest in this thread. Lapse of Reason did before me, and so did another board member. Btw, I never called you crook. You're making that up. And as far as I know, you're the one claiming not knowing the price. So I guess that makes you the ignorant/uninformed one here.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:
You're so angry...

Have you considered The Dark Side?

It doesn't pay much, but the benefits package is simply to die for.

Troll.

Where do you get off calling anybody else a Troll????????Your the one that has not only implyed that I'm a crook but you also I'm implyed that I'm dishonest, claiming that I must have see the price some where before I entered the store.Asuming I was privy to the same infomation as youself only show's you ignorance.

Wait a second. Soon Counterpunch will show up and charge him double to cross his bridge.

megatroptimus wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:
You're so angry...

Have you considered The Dark Side?

It doesn't pay much, but the benefits package is simply to die for.

Troll.

REPORTED!!!

Nah, just kidding.

You're still my favorite poster on the boards.
Keep up the good work!

$20 Bumblebees on me everyone. Target beware.

If we were all thinking the same, this world would be very boring, don't you think? Peace.

megatroptimus wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Where do you get off calling anybody else a Troll????????Your the one that has not only implyed that I'm a crook but you also I'm implyed that I'm dishonest, claiming that I must have see the price some where before I entered the store.Asuming I was privy to the same infomation as youself only show's you ignorance.

I wasn't the first one to call you dishonest in this thread. Lapse of Reason did before me, and so did another board member. Btw, I never called you crook. You're making that up. And as far as I know, you're the one claiming not knowing the price. So I guess that makes you the ignorant/uninformed one here.

But you were the only one who ASSUMED that I had knowledge of the price before getting to the cashier.

And you know what they say about those who ASSUME!!!!!

megatroptimus wrote:If we were all thinking the same, this world would be very boring, don't you think? Peace.

Agreed.

But dude, do you notice that you don't ever just have differences of opinion? You have conflicts of opinion. Somehow it always ends up getting personal too.

Keeping the discussion civil while still productive is an artform in of itself, but simple politeness is the first step. When you first came on here, I didn't think you really wanted to stick around by the way you were posting and insulting things on the site.

But, you're still here, so you obviously find some value in putting time in here.

Why not just try to be cool with people before taking a fight to them? I'm all for discussion, hell, I argue constantly, but without civility, no one listens.

Bill & Ted wrote:Be Excellent to each other.

^
Good advice.

How about how KBToys sells thier $9.99 Deluxes for $12.99? Their $19.99 Voyagers for $24.99? Times however many they sell a day? That's a sh*tload of profit.

And since KBToys was the one place that had Voyager Blackout, I had to pay it. Eat it and smile.

I'm thrilled this guy got an Ultimate Bumblebee for $20. Target made a lazy mistake and he got a nice toy for a great price. It's nice to not see the little guy constantly getting screwed over by the corporations but to actually 'win' one for once.

Cheers for Targets incompetence!

Counterpunch wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:If we were all thinking the same, this world would be very boring, don't you think? Peace.

Agreed.

But dude, do you notice that you don't ever just have differences of opinion? You have conflicts of opinion. Somehow it always ends up getting personal too.

Keeping the discussion civil while still productive is an artform in of itself, but simple politeness is the first step. When you first came on here, I didn't think you really wanted to stick around by the way you were posting and insulting things on the site.

But, you're still here, so you obviously find some value in putting time in here.

Why not just try to be cool with people before taking a fight to them? I'm all for discussion, hell, I argue constantly, but without civility, no one listens.

Bill & Ted wrote:Be Excellent to each other.

^
Good advice.

Yeah asking me if I had seen the price before I went into that store would have been a more affective way of assessing the issue at hand.

My opinion is that Sto got a great deal - $20 for Ult. Bumblebee - awesome!

However, I also believe that the means where that deal came from were not honest. The store undercharged by mistake and he was legally able to walk out the door with the figure at a "steal" of a price. He came home and discovered how good of a deal he got and bragged about it here. Lo and behold, some members point out that his deal came at a cost of some integrity. This is true, in my opinion.

Let's put the situation in a different light with this hypothetical scenario. Say he was shopping at Target and the clerk gave him $100 bill in change instead of the $10 he was actually supposed to get. The store's error, right? So should he have the right to walk out the door with the extra change or is he morally obligated to point out the error?

It is all a question of one's integrity. Some would point out the error, while others would walk out with the money. Slo now knows the price of Ult. Bumblebee. He took advantage of $70 error. He could return it, or keep it, or even more - return it to Walmart without a receipt and get a $90 store credit. What one feels the figure is actually worth is beside the point.

It is the actions of a person that build his or her character. I also believe that none of us act in a black and white fashion; more like shades of gray.

Personally, I would have bought the Bumblebee for $20. +1 Transformer for me, -1 for my integrity but I'm okay with it. Hell, I might even return it to Walmart for credit and get something else. If it were the change scenario, I'd correct the person. This has happened to me several times before and I have always given back the overpayment. Life is just full of conflicts!

I dunno...I think charging $80 for the damn thing in the first place is way more unethical than accepting it for a discounted price. I'd love to get one, but $80 is a rip-off. Why is it twice the price of a movie leader? Looks pretty comparable to a movie leader to me...

Your hypothetical situation is not really comparable to Sto's. He asked what the price was of the item, and they told him. Had he said "are you sure?" they would still have said "yes." Even if he'd pulled out a 'net-enabled PDA and looked it up on Hasbro's website to show them, THE PRICE AT THAT STORE WAS $20. That may have been a clerical error in entering it into the system, but that isn't Sto's problem. I fail to see how there is any loss of "integrity" in paying the price a store asks.

Sledge wrote:Your hypothetical situation is not really comparable to Sto's. He asked what the price was of the item, and they told him. Had he said "are you sure?" they would still have said "yes." Even if he'd pulled out a 'net-enabled PDA and looked it up on Hasbro's website to show them, THE PRICE AT THAT STORE WAS $20. That may have been a clerical error in entering it into the system, but that isn't Sto's problem. I fail to see how there is any loss of "integrity" in paying the price a store asks.

He took advantage because he knows it was a price error. I feel my situation helps illustrate my point, but puts it in terms of cash instead of product. He should have paid $90 (without the error) but paid $20. The store would have received $90 (without the error) but took in $20. $70 is $70, whether it is incorrect change or an incorrect price.

Bottom line - what he did was not morally right to me. Not to say I would not have done the same thing, I just do not hold the action in a positive light. If it were me walking out, I'd be excited about it too as I relished in a selfish form of delight. I can live with the guilt. It's like getting away with something for nothing.

I'm only expressing my views to add to the debate / discussion. I'm reading some posts with the attitude that what he did was right and good. I'm no better than Sto, I'm just calling out the action for what it truly is, and it is not right and good.

Lapse Of Reason wrote:

Sledge wrote:Your hypothetical situation is not really comparable to Sto's. He asked what the price was of the item, and they told him. Had he said "are you sure?" they would still have said "yes." Even if he'd pulled out a 'net-enabled PDA and looked it up on Hasbro's website to show them, THE PRICE AT THAT STORE WAS $20. That may have been a clerical error in entering it into the system, but that isn't Sto's problem. I fail to see how there is any loss of "integrity" in paying the price a store asks.

He took advantage because he knows it was a price error. I feel my situation helps illustrate my point, but puts it in terms of cash instead of product. He should have paid $90 (without the error) but paid $20. The store would have received $90 (without the error) but took in $20. $70 is $70, whether it is incorrect change or an incorrect price.

Bottom line - what he did was not morally right to me. Not to say I would not have done the same thing, I just do not hold the action in a positive light. If it were me walking out, I'd be excited about it too as I relished in a selfish form of delight. I can live with the guilt. It's like getting away with something for nothing.

I'm only expressing my views to add to the debate / discussion. I'm reading some posts with the attitude that what he did was right and good. I'm no better than Sto, I'm just calling out the action for what it truly is, and it is not right and good.

/sigh, not again. It's not like the OP volunteered this $20 price. This is what the supposed Target Toy Dept person said the figure cost. Ult. Bumblebee was not in their system, they had no reference for it and didn't spend the time they should have researching the price for their own merchandise. He could have told them it cost $200 and if the toy kid still said $20 then guess what, the OP gets it for that price.

So, one last time for review, the OP didn't switch price tags or take the code out of the computer. Target had every chance to do their job and charge him the right price but THEY decided upon $20 and thus he ended up with a hell of a deal. His integrity is perfectly intact and I'm sure there is still a spot for him in heaven.

And therein lies your error. What moral code you choose to follow is your own business. But you have no right to say someone else lacks integrity because they did something you don't agree with. Sto certainly didn't break the law. As I said earlier, he asked what the price of an item was, and chose to pay the price he was quoted. It is up to the store to price their items correctly, not for the customer to walk around pointing out their errors.

The base of the issue is "Is it morally correct to take advantage of a store's mistake?" That is something each person must decide for themselves.

Now how was he supposed to know the store made a pricing error? For all he knew, this store was clearancing these things for some reason.

I just bought a 20th anniversary Prime for $19.96 at Wal-Mart. Another Wal-Mart 10 miles away has the thing for $69!! Several WM's have them at $50. It just depends on the store.

If he asked someone, and they told him $20, it's not a mistake. How do you know they weren't on clearance right at that moment?

Damn thing should be on clearance anyway. I got one for retail, and it's not worth it. $20 seems a fair price to me.

That's a damn fine point. According to the "you lack integrity brigade," every time you see something retailing for less than you expected, you're supposed to contact the store's head office to ensure it's the correct price. Do these people REALLY do that every time they see a bargain?

Sledge wrote:The base of the issue is "Is it morally correct to take advantage of a store's mistake?" That is something each person must decide for themselves.

When the store fails to uphold their responsibility to the consumer, no advantage was taken. Was it morally correct for the stock boy to cheat his store out of $50 by not doing his job? Did the cashier blacken her soul by not calling a manager or another store to verify the price?

There are plenty of people to place blame on, but in the end Target screwed up, the OP caught a lucky break and an overpriced toy is in the hands of a happy collector. And I think I've had enough Ethics 101 for one night.

I found Cybertron Primus for $10 a few weeks ago. No one told me that price, that's what it scanned for. Do you think I went around trying to find somebody to tell them it should be $40 or $50? NO! I bought it and ran.

Sledge wrote:And therein lies your error. What moral code you choose to follow is your own business.

Actually, therein lies my point.

Sledge wrote:But you have no right to say someone else lacks integrity because they did something you don't agree with.

Free speech. I can voice my opinion as long as I maintain responsibility for it. In my book, one who takes advantage of the mistakes of others does not have the same integrity as one who does not take advantage of mistakes. I mean no offense to Slo. I don't think less of him, nor do I think he is better or worse than I.

We can all agree that the Target clerk gave the price in error, right?

Sledge wrote:Sto certainly didn't break the law.

Never said or implied that he did. Besides, legality and moralitiy do not always coincide. People lawfully get away with murder due to legal technicalities.

Sledge wrote:As I said earlier, he asked what the price of an item was, and chose to pay the price he was quoted. It is up to the store to price their items correctly, not for the customer to walk around pointing out their errors.

Fair enough.

Sledge wrote:The base of the issue is "Is it morally correct to take advantage of a store's mistake?" That is something each person must decide for themselves.

Agreed

Loki41872 wrote:Now how was he supposed to know the store made a pricing error? For all he knew, this store was clearancing these things for some reason.

I just bought a 20th anniversary Prime for $19.96 at Wal-Mart. Another Wal-Mart 10 miles away has the thing for $69!! Several WM's have them at $50. It just depends on the store.

If he asked someone, and they told him $20, it's not a mistake. How do you know they weren't on clearance right at that moment?

Damn thing should be on clearance anyway. I got one for retail, and it's not worth it. $20 seems a fair price to me.

The difference is that they were not on clearance. The Primes you saw were, and probably scanned that way.

As I said before, whether you think the toy is only worth $20 is besides the point. That is not the current selling price of the Ultimate Bumblebee and it did not have a red Target clearance sticker on it.

I'm not trying to stir things up our change people's opinions; I am merely expressing and trying to explain my own. I see this topic going round and round, so now that I have said my piece on the subject I will leave it with the intention to peacefully disagree with those who don't agree with me. I'm not professing to stand on any moral high ground anyway.

Lapse Of Reason wrote:

Sledge wrote:Your hypothetical situation is not really comparable to Sto's. He asked what the price was of the item, and they told him. Had he said "are you sure?" they would still have said "yes." Even if he'd pulled out a 'net-enabled PDA and looked it up on Hasbro's website to show them, THE PRICE AT THAT STORE WAS $20. That may have been a clerical error in entering it into the system, but that isn't Sto's problem. I fail to see how there is any loss of "integrity" in paying the price a store asks.

He took advantage because he knows it was a price error. I feel my situation helps illustrate my point, but puts it in terms of cash instead of product. He should have paid $90 (without the error) but paid $20. The store would have received $90 (without the error) but took in $20. $70 is $70, whether it is incorrect change or an incorrect price.

Bottom line - what he did was not morally right to me. Not to say I would not have done the same thing, I just do not hold the action in a positive light. If it were me walking out, I'd be excited about it too as I relished in a selfish form of delight. I can live with the guilt. It's like getting away with something for nothing.

I'm only expressing my views to add to the debate / discussion. I'm reading some posts with the attitude that what he did was right and good. I'm no better than Sto, I'm just calling out the action for what it truly is, and it is not right and good.

I dont think I'm making my self clear.And I'm not getting upset but what you guys need to understand is that at the time of my buy the toy I HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH HE WAS!!!!!!!!!

I had seen a few auctions for the same toy on ebay end at price's of between $41 and $56 bucks.....and we know that a lot of figures are sold on ebay for Dubble their retail price.....more offten with the bigger one's.
So in my head I thought that the figure might have been as low as $29.99 or as high as $55.00 bucks.
So yeah when I heard $19.99 I thought there might be a mistake but it could have also been a early bird special or a store wide discount.The same Target were selling the first wave of TF clasic's at $6.99 for the first 3 weeks with singege stating it was an early release special.
It wasnt untill I posted it here that I found out just how much a deal that I got.
As for your "hypothetical".....That also happened while buying the item.The cashier while givving me my change gave me back my $50 bill in place of a $5 bill.When I notice it after walking away ,my daughter pointed it out cause she took the change to by a slurpy, we returned to the cashier an told her about the mistake she quickly count her draw and she was $50 short so we gave it back to her.....And you know what?????She turned around and kissed me and bought us lunch for our trouble.
The difference here is taking money knowingly in error is wrong but taking a lower price for somthing that you had no idea of the price is not.

About the only thing I could be accused of doing wrong in this case is that I have not taken it back NOW that I know what the price should be.

Don't take it back. Love it. If they didn't send security after you when you left with it, then you did nothing wrong.

Sto: you did nothing wrong. Hell, if it had been me, I'd have got all the cash together I could, bought all their stock, and hit ebay with them.

Lapse: ok, what would you have done? You're interested in an item, you get a price check and it comes back lower than you think it "should" be. What would you do, assuming you could reach the checkout from atop your ivory tower?